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Everyone knows the drill by now.

Keep it manner and have a good time.

We'll be watching along with you.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 08 2012 04:27 GMT
#9081
On April 08 2012 13:25 vndods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:24 FoBoTheBush wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:20 Fubi wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:14 duct_TAPE wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:11 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:10 Kettchup wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.

GG, WP, Foxer!


MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.

There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.

Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.


When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.


1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere

2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.



wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo

you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's.


wat

ah of course mkp magically whipped up a few bunkers from the scvs he still has mining minerals in his main base from the 30 minute game with mules to protect his production and of course he has units and bunkers at his 3rd 4th and 5th
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
April 08 2012 04:27 GMT
#9082
On April 08 2012 13:25 OrangeSoda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:24 JiPrime wrote:
I don't blame GOMTV.
I don't blame Blizzard.
I blame crappy American ISPs.
Seriously, step it up, America.


The cool thing about LAN is that it doesnt matter if you have good or shit internet. Blizzard is the only one to blame.


The reason why we got no LAN because we pirated the shit out of the BW, bypassing Bnet alltogether with LAN.
You have absolutely no idea how many PCBangs in Korea were running pirated BW with LAN back in the late 90's/early 00's.
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
April 08 2012 04:27 GMT
#9083
On April 08 2012 13:22 Ryler wrote:
I love how some people use the it wasn't a 100% loss, well no shit

the only way it could have been a 100% loss is if MKP has 0 supply with no bank to whatever Parting has(inb4 flying terran buildings), but anyone actually WATCHING the game knows that parting wins that atleast 90-95%, for fuck sake he was down on supply whole game trading left and right and now he has a 40 supply lead right next to his base? sure he doesn't have ALL of the army there, but MKPS army is coming out of the raxes 1 by 1. but I guess those 6 vikings turn the tide


It was like a 90% loss for MKP too at one point when he was playing against Bomber and Squirtle. He won both of those games some how... you guys can't be theorycrafting this from a normal T point of view.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9084
Having come into the community recently, I've never actually watched a full game of BW. Because these finals were so disappointing, I may just change that in 4 hours time.

Where do I watch the SPL finals?
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9085
On April 08 2012 13:27 vndods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:25 Denzil wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:22 iSometric wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:21 Denzil wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:20 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.


MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.


Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg


2011 MVP > MMA > MKP
2012 MKP > MMA > MVP


for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.

MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.


as has every best in the world player before they faded off

Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg.


where would you ever get that idea, mkp lost that game and as a result tainted the victory that they didn't deserve

This will be my last post direct at you for the night, but I'm sorry that you're so hurt about MKP probably owning all your favorite players on a consistant basis. Hopefully one day you will get over it.

Good night!


this is the problem, mkp lost that game, and without mkp startale wins. dã
Veritas
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom106 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9086
The people saying MKP could have made a comeback are likely the same people that float off their buildings as Terran to start fresh in silver league.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9087
The korean netizens also need to realize is that if SC2 had LAN, this shit wouldn't have happened. Just because they don't like America, isn't a valid reason for placing the blame.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6668 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9088
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.

Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic

Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay....
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9089
He may not be the first, but MKP has clearly attained bonjwa status.

User was warned for this post
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9090
You guys have to take into account the crowd pressure in the decision.

The crowd was literally screaming and chanting for a re-game. Even the guys sitting next to me that were booing every Prime player wanted the re-game.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Typesno
Profile Joined March 2011
United States12 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9091
its a huge conspiracy by the las vegas mob bosses to have mkp win. they cut the internet cables, and then forced to gsl refs to call a rematch (i think that they threaten to break some knee caps). yea i like my story so much better that the rest of the things being said on the forums.
The needs of the many out weight the needs of the few.
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9092
On April 08 2012 13:25 vndods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:24 FoBoTheBush wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:20 Fubi wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:14 duct_TAPE wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:11 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:10 Kettchup wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.

GG, WP, Foxer!


MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.

There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.

Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.


When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.


1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere

2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.



wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo

you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's.

Which wall of bunkers are you referring to?
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9093
On April 08 2012 13:26 Daimiru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:23 iSunrise wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:17 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:14 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:14 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:08 MCMXVI wrote:
Congrats StarTale, the *real* GSTL S1 champions :D


No matter how many times you or other people post shit like this in the thread it will not change the result. MKP played great, won the regame, and the next 3 games. Prime won based fair and square based on the system and rules of the game and the tournament.

Marineking had to regame against Stephano yesterday and lost it but won the series. If ST was really the better team they would've overcome the setback.


LOL MAN, everyone know this, but the problem is, HE LOST THE FIRST GAME

Then why did he continue to play? If he had lost he should have been out and unable to play the remainder of the games.

because one nice decision for regame, with 3 marauder against 18 zealots 3 archons, 6 stalker and 6 ht

3 marauders and a production cycle of units finishing enough for MKP is enough.

PartinG killed like 3-4 production cycles of MKP´s units with only one cycle of his own, before the game got disconnected. Sometimes I believe people either didn´t watch the game or they are that much of a fan of MKP so they are biased as hell. Everyone that saw how fast PartinG killed MKP´s units with barely any units of his own knew that PartinG had this -- and then the connection dropped. MKP could have reinforced, PartinG could have reinforced, too. But PartinG already had units up MKPs base, while MKP had almost none.

yeah i think it's really crazy how many people are pretending parting was not like 95% to win, it's a controversial decision even taking that into account but when people act like MKP's marines were just going to pop out and wipe up that army I feel like they weren't watching the game



very true. marines are good yes but zealots with archons with a 40 supply lead. .....but scv's are good meat sheilds? lol
Obelisco
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru1962 Posts
April 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#9094
On April 08 2012 13:28 MCXD wrote:
Having come into the community recently, I've never actually watched a full game of BW. Because these finals were so disappointing, I may just change that in 4 hours time.

Where do I watch the SPL finals?

it starts in 4: 30 hours, streams should show up on tl.
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
April 08 2012 04:29 GMT
#9095
On April 08 2012 13:22 iSometric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:21 Denzil wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:20 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.


MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.


Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg


2011 MVP > MMA > MKP
2012 MKP > MMA > MVP


for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.

MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.


as has every best in the world player before they faded off

Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg.


The hilarious thing is that if MKP was at the same advantageous position as Parting, and Parting got the lucky regame, you'd probably be bitching about it right now
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
April 08 2012 04:29 GMT
#9096
So what if marineking got some medivacs and marine/marauder from the structures that were still producing in his main/3rd and dropped partings production, while floating his production away?
Maruprime.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 08 2012 04:29 GMT
#9097
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.

Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic


On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.

You guys must be roommates or something
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 08 2012 04:29 GMT
#9098
On April 08 2012 13:28 dabom88 wrote:
He may not be the first, but MKP has clearly attained bonjwa status.


You could at least wait until ipl4 is over to make claims like this.
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
April 08 2012 04:29 GMT
#9099
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.

Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic

Cuz parting can warp in units from 15 gates with 200 mineral rite?
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 08 2012 04:29 GMT
#9100
On April 08 2012 13:27 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:22 Ryler wrote:
I love how some people use the it wasn't a 100% loss, well no shit

the only way it could have been a 100% loss is if MKP has 0 supply with no bank to whatever Parting has(inb4 flying terran buildings), but anyone actually WATCHING the game knows that parting wins that atleast 90-95%, for fuck sake he was down on supply whole game trading left and right and now he has a 40 supply lead right next to his base? sure he doesn't have ALL of the army there, but MKPS army is coming out of the raxes 1 by 1. but I guess those 6 vikings turn the tide


It was like a 90% loss for MKP too at one point when he was playing against Bomber and Squirtle. He won both of those games some how... you guys can't be theorycrafting this from a normal T point of view.


lolno those games were actually quite even

last time i checked 5 tanks beats 2 tanks

and stimmed marine marauder medivac is pretty good against stalker immortal
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