On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo
you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's.
wat
ah of course mkp magically whipped up a few bunkers from the scvs he still has mining minerals in his main base from the 30 minute game with mules to protect his production and of course he has units and bunkers at his 3rd 4th and 5th
On April 08 2012 13:24 JiPrime wrote: I don't blame GOMTV. I don't blame Blizzard. I blame crappy American ISPs. Seriously, step it up, America.
The cool thing about LAN is that it doesnt matter if you have good or shit internet. Blizzard is the only one to blame.
The reason why we got no LAN because we pirated the shit out of the BW, bypassing Bnet alltogether with LAN. You have absolutely no idea how many PCBangs in Korea were running pirated BW with LAN back in the late 90's/early 00's.
On April 08 2012 13:22 Ryler wrote: I love how some people use the it wasn't a 100% loss, well no shit
the only way it could have been a 100% loss is if MKP has 0 supply with no bank to whatever Parting has(inb4 flying terran buildings), but anyone actually WATCHING the game knows that parting wins that atleast 90-95%, for fuck sake he was down on supply whole game trading left and right and now he has a 40 supply lead right next to his base? sure he doesn't have ALL of the army there, but MKPS army is coming out of the raxes 1 by 1. but I guess those 6 vikings turn the tide
It was like a 90% loss for MKP too at one point when he was playing against Bomber and Squirtle. He won both of those games some how... you guys can't be theorycrafting this from a normal T point of view.
Having come into the community recently, I've never actually watched a full game of BW. Because these finals were so disappointing, I may just change that in 4 hours time.
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote: MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.
MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.
Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg
2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP
for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.
MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.
as has every best in the world player before they faded off
Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg.
where would you ever get that idea, mkp lost that game and as a result tainted the victory that they didn't deserve
This will be my last post direct at you for the night, but I'm sorry that you're so hurt about MKP probably owning all your favorite players on a consistant basis. Hopefully one day you will get over it.
Good night!
this is the problem, mkp lost that game, and without mkp startale wins. dã
The korean netizens also need to realize is that if SC2 had LAN, this shit wouldn't have happened. Just because they don't like America, isn't a valid reason for placing the blame.
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay....
its a huge conspiracy by the las vegas mob bosses to have mkp win. they cut the internet cables, and then forced to gsl refs to call a rematch (i think that they threaten to break some knee caps). yea i like my story so much better that the rest of the things being said on the forums.
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo
you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's.
On April 08 2012 13:08 MCMXVI wrote: Congrats StarTale, the *real* GSTL S1 champions :D
No matter how many times you or other people post shit like this in the thread it will not change the result. MKP played great, won the regame, and the next 3 games. Prime won based fair and square based on the system and rules of the game and the tournament.
Marineking had to regame against Stephano yesterday and lost it but won the series. If ST was really the better team they would've overcome the setback.
LOL MAN, everyone know this, but the problem is, HE LOST THE FIRST GAME
Then why did he continue to play? If he had lost he should have been out and unable to play the remainder of the games.
because one nice decision for regame, with 3 marauder against 18 zealots 3 archons, 6 stalker and 6 ht
3 marauders and a production cycle of units finishing enough for MKP is enough.
PartinG killed like 3-4 production cycles of MKP´s units with only one cycle of his own, before the game got disconnected. Sometimes I believe people either didn´t watch the game or they are that much of a fan of MKP so they are biased as hell. Everyone that saw how fast PartinG killed MKP´s units with barely any units of his own knew that PartinG had this -- and then the connection dropped. MKP could have reinforced, PartinG could have reinforced, too. But PartinG already had units up MKPs base, while MKP had almost none.
yeah i think it's really crazy how many people are pretending parting was not like 95% to win, it's a controversial decision even taking that into account but when people act like MKP's marines were just going to pop out and wipe up that army I feel like they weren't watching the game
very true. marines are good yes but zealots with archons with a 40 supply lead. .....but scv's are good meat sheilds? lol
On April 08 2012 13:28 MCXD wrote: Having come into the community recently, I've never actually watched a full game of BW. Because these finals were so disappointing, I may just change that in 4 hours time.
Where do I watch the SPL finals?
it starts in 4: 30 hours, streams should show up on tl.
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote: MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.
MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.
Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg
2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP
for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.
MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.
as has every best in the world player before they faded off
Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg.
The hilarious thing is that if MKP was at the same advantageous position as Parting, and Parting got the lucky regame, you'd probably be bitching about it right now
So what if marineking got some medivacs and marine/marauder from the structures that were still producing in his main/3rd and dropped partings production, while floating his production away?
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out. As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
Cuz parting can warp in units from 15 gates with 200 mineral rite?
On April 08 2012 13:22 Ryler wrote: I love how some people use the it wasn't a 100% loss, well no shit
the only way it could have been a 100% loss is if MKP has 0 supply with no bank to whatever Parting has(inb4 flying terran buildings), but anyone actually WATCHING the game knows that parting wins that atleast 90-95%, for fuck sake he was down on supply whole game trading left and right and now he has a 40 supply lead right next to his base? sure he doesn't have ALL of the army there, but MKPS army is coming out of the raxes 1 by 1. but I guess those 6 vikings turn the tide
It was like a 90% loss for MKP too at one point when he was playing against Bomber and Squirtle. He won both of those games some how... you guys can't be theorycrafting this from a normal T point of view.
lolno those games were actually quite even
last time i checked 5 tanks beats 2 tanks
and stimmed marine marauder medivac is pretty good against stalker immortal