On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo
On April 08 2012 13:18 dmnum wrote: Prime didn't win. They lost. Just as Startale lost. Actually, we all did. The teams got robbed of the chance of playing a great final, and we all got robbed of watching a great final, just because activision and blizzard think that it's fine to fuck the legitimate consumers of their products if it will make piracy go down too.
I'm not mad at the teams of the players, I'm mad at blizzard, activision, and the referee, which called a clearly lost game.
I don't think its about piracy. It would be a really really difficult project to convert SC2 to support lan. Almost impossible given the short timelines and the pressures on companies to constantly produce new winners. The more viable solution is to allow tournaments to host their own battlenets. There is a lot of issues with that also, not the least of which IS potential for piracy. But it is atleast viable. LAN support is not viable at all.
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
This. Besides, Prime already defeated StarTale in a BO9 in RO6 without MKP's help. Yet StarTale got another BO9 without Prime getting an advantage like double-elimination. StarTale got a BO9, MKP got a BO1.
On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote: MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa
lol no
lol yes?
lol NO
perhaps on the way but not yet obviously.
he has done very well for around 3 months. do you know what took flash to become bonjwa? more than a year; 4 golds and 2 silvers of the 6 tournaments he competed in (which were ALL the tournaments of that year) + mvp his team winning everything that year and him with 50+ wins. So dont rush anything.
On April 08 2012 13:14 BlackGosu wrote: nope this isnt tainted. nothing is 100% certain in sc2. especially with mkp's godlike micro
this is just beautiful. mkp wanted to prove to the world and defend prime's honor, REVERSE ALL KILL
haters gonna hate.
Presumably if parting was at 200/200 and MKP was at 1/200, MKP would still have a chance. What with his godlike micro, and the fact that nothing is 100% certain in SC2.
It wasn't that far apart idiot, it was obviously close enough to warrant a regame.
MKP had no army.
Parting had army at MKPs barracks.
Unless you think SCV are as good as marauders...
Partings army was nowhere near MKP's Rax... he was at the 3 outside of MKP's natural..... MKP had 15 or so in his main untouched ready to pop out units.
On April 08 2012 13:14 BlackGosu wrote: nope this isnt tainted. nothing is 100% certain in sc2. especially with mkp's godlike micro
this is just beautiful. mkp wanted to prove to the world and defend prime's honor, REVERSE ALL KILL
haters gonna hate.
Presumably if parting was at 200/200 and MKP was at 1/200, MKP would still have a chance. What with his godlike micro, and the fact that nothing is 100% certain in SC2.
It wasn't that far apart idiot, it was obviously close enough to warrant a regame.
MKP had no army.
Parting had army at MKPs barracks.
Unless you think SCV are as good as marauders...
No, but I know the things MKP are capable of with a handful of units. SCVs repairing the bunker and depot wall at the natural expansion is enough time for MKP to rally up a production round of bio units.
On April 08 2012 13:14 Fionn wrote: Honestly, I am a Prime fan. I wrote an article about how fucking amazing it was that a team that essentially lost most of their players, their only GSL champion, and all of their sponsors could take the self initiative and turn everything around by themselves, but the championship is tainted. MarineKing did four-kill Startale and he played excellent in those four games, but Parting looked to have that game won. Even if MKP did make a miracle comeback in some alternate universe, the whole final is still tainted because no one will ever look back at this final and go, 'Wow, MarineKing carried his team to victory and proved he isn't a choker!' People will go, 'Wow...remember when Startale got fucked over?"
GSTL Finals 1, "Wow, Squirtle beat MVP in an epic game, but Nestea saved IM! What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 2, "Wow, MMA is a monster! How did he take down IM!? What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 3, "Holy shit! MMA and DRG are fucking awesome! What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 4, "MVP proved they can win without DRG! Not the best finals, but enjoyable!"
GSTL Finals 5, "what the fuck man mkp got fucking lucky. what a joke."
I don't know. I really enjoyed the finals. It sucks that mkp dropped but things like that happen. I could care less that a bunch of people are mad on the internet. Doesn't really taint the finals for me.
What don't you understand? people are upset because the finals were tainted, this whole series could have been different if parting won game 1. MKP would be out of the picture and prime would have their star player gone.
I understand why people are mad. I just don't know if that really "taints" the finals when I believe whether the final is tainted is very personal. I agree parting should won but the referees did the best they could in a bad situation. Therefore I am not angry. That's all I'm saying.
On April 08 2012 13:23 Probasaur wrote: People saying MKP was dead when he had what 15+ barracks with mostly reactors pumping out 30+ units?? You're crazy.
If you think he was dead you clearly have never seen MKP make a comeback by micro-ing his last few units. He would have kited all day in his base inside the maze of barracks and stabilized.
And maybe he wouldn't of and maybe Parting would have won, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE WON.
BUT he didn't. The game was interrupted before it was truly over. If he had 5 barracks left and 0 units then we could say it was over, but it wasn't over. You can't say you could predict the outcome of that back and forth game, it was too close to call. And its not like Parting just crushed MKP the whole time and then it went to DC, it was prolly the closest PvT I've ever watched. Based on just that alone for you to be upset about a regame is ridiculous and you're just being blind fanboys. Be happy you got to see the rematch, although it wasn't half as good. And just be happy you got to watch one of the greatest terrans (arguably the greatest)of all time play more games and hoist the trophy he so clearly deserves.
Dwelling on the negatives are what you sad people do best. So there's really nothing anyone can say that will help you see all the facts. You'll just focus on conjecture, speculation, and your judgement over the GSL referee's.
On April 08 2012 13:19 Nethermind wrote: I'm interested in hearing Korean nitizen opinions on this; are they are divided and anti/pro-Prime as foreigners are?
They share same opinions as you guys, but they are much more civil about it. (HINT: They are banning any raging douchebags left and right with speed of light) They're blaming shitty american internet, though. They are saying GSTL should only host in Korean soil from now on.
Lol. Our internet is fine. Their internet isn't any better. Just because it happened in the US first doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in Korea.
On April 08 2012 13:14 Fionn wrote: Honestly, I am a Prime fan. I wrote an article about how fucking amazing it was that a team that essentially lost most of their players, their only GSL champion, and all of their sponsors could take the self initiative and turn everything around by themselves, but the championship is tainted. MarineKing did four-kill Startale and he played excellent in those four games, but Parting looked to have that game won. Even if MKP did make a miracle comeback in some alternate universe, the whole final is still tainted because no one will ever look back at this final and go, 'Wow, MarineKing carried his team to victory and proved he isn't a choker!' People will go, 'Wow...remember when Startale got fucked over?"
GSTL Finals 1, "Wow, Squirtle beat MVP in an epic game, but Nestea saved IM! What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 2, "Wow, MMA is a monster! How did he take down IM!? What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 3, "Holy shit! MMA and DRG are fucking awesome! What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 4, "MVP proved they can win without DRG! Not the best finals, but enjoyable!"
GSTL Finals 5, "what the fuck man mkp got fucking lucky. what a joke."
yeah this will happen if people let taht color the entire rest of the series
it's not like Prime was down to their last game. there's NO WAY OF KNOWING what would have happened if mkp loses that game. none whatsoever.
mkp got lucky, and then played amazing and st couldn't stop him.
sometimes boiling 4 hours into one sentence doesn't allow for a great summary.
It boils down to:
- Parting playing like a beast and being in a clearly advantageous position in Game 1, on the verge of what he perceives as victory. - Lag + drop. When he's about to win. - Regame. - Coaches arguing. - Parting tilting. - Domino effect. Everyone else on ST tilting.
MKP not only got lucky, but ST got demoralized like fuck; you can see it in the game. It's one thing to have to regame an undecided game. It's another to have to regame a game that you think you've won, on the same map, with no advantage given to you (and in fact a huge disadvantage given that Parting was playing his 3rd game, with MKP, knowing he got a lucky break, on his 2nd.)
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo
you know a bank of 1300 gas for a lategame Terran dosen't mean shit
On April 08 2012 13:14 Fionn wrote: Honestly, I am a Prime fan. I wrote an article about how fucking amazing it was that a team that essentially lost most of their players, their only GSL champion, and all of their sponsors could take the self initiative and turn everything around by themselves, but the championship is tainted. MarineKing did four-kill Startale and he played excellent in those four games, but Parting looked to have that game won. Even if MKP did make a miracle comeback in some alternate universe, the whole final is still tainted because no one will ever look back at this final and go, 'Wow, MarineKing carried his team to victory and proved he isn't a choker!' People will go, 'Wow...remember when Startale got fucked over?"
GSTL Finals 1, "Wow, Squirtle beat MVP in an epic game, but Nestea saved IM! What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 2, "Wow, MMA is a monster! How did he take down IM!? What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 3, "Holy shit! MMA and DRG are fucking awesome! What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 4, "MVP proved they can win without DRG! Not the best finals, but enjoyable!"
GSTL Finals 5, "what the fuck man mkp got fucking lucky. what a joke."
GSTL Finals 1: First true macro PvT played on the big stage. MVP regarded as the best player in the world, and Squirtle, a total unknown, manages to take him out. Squirtle deserves his fame.
GSTL Finals 2: MVP still regarded as best player in the world. Recently won GSL and is on a 15-0 win streak in TvT. Slayers used to be an embarassment to the GSTL and now they're playing last seasons champions. MMA manages to end MVP's winstreak in game 7. Pretty sure MMA deserves credit.
GSTL Finals 3: DRG has emerged as a GSTL monster. He eats entire teams for breakfast. Game 7 MMA makes an amazing comeback to bring Slayers their second consecutive championship by beating an invincible team league player. He deserves the credit.
GSTL finals 5: MKP beats Parting in a rematch after a disconnect even though Parting was clearly in the superior position.
The people who are bashing on this finals are justified. MKP's victory was not as well-earned and somewhat lucky, in contrast with Squirtle and MMA. How can you give MKP full recognition when part of his victory was based on a questionable decision by the refs?
On April 08 2012 13:14 Fionn wrote: Honestly, I am a Prime fan. I wrote an article about how fucking amazing it was that a team that essentially lost most of their players, their only GSL champion, and all of their sponsors could take the self initiative and turn everything around by themselves, but the championship is tainted. MarineKing did four-kill Startale and he played excellent in those four games, but Parting looked to have that game won. Even if MKP did make a miracle comeback in some alternate universe, the whole final is still tainted because no one will ever look back at this final and go, 'Wow, MarineKing carried his team to victory and proved he isn't a choker!' People will go, 'Wow...remember when Startale got fucked over?"
GSTL Finals 1, "Wow, Squirtle beat MVP in an epic game, but Nestea saved IM! What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 2, "Wow, MMA is a monster! How did he take down IM!? What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 3, "Holy shit! MMA and DRG are fucking awesome! What an amazing finals!"
GSTL Finals 4, "MVP proved they can win without DRG! Not the best finals, but enjoyable!"
GSTL Finals 5, "what the fuck man mkp got fucking lucky. what a joke."
Yeah well we know what to expect in incoming TL write-ups now.
He managed to snipe the colossus, if the colossus remained alive i would give the game to parting, But as it stands, 3/3 bio can kite and kill a lot of zealots + better econ, MKP would probably win or game would extent
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