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On April 08 2012 13:20 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa. MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also. Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg 2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year. MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.
as has every best in the world player before they faded off
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I think it wouldnt be out of the possibility that PartinG might have used what he considered a strong build against MKP that he did not dare to execute exactly in the re-game. Whether or not the build was a sniper/strong build is up for debate, but im sure the fact that parting showed his build in the game would have been a big factor in choosing a build for the re-game.
Just saying...
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On April 08 2012 13:20 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa. MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also. Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg 2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year. Except for that time where he fell off pretty far. And then when he started to fall off again at the end of the year.
how far did MVP fell? MVP is still Code S
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On April 08 2012 13:18 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:14 antilyon wrote:On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
You seem to be just quoting reddit so I'll post the same thing I post there: The keypoint here is if MKP had no chance at all, counting warp cycles, Parting's units positions, time until MKP's next cycle come out, how much space MKP had to regroup. You can only know this if you had access to the replay. If counting all of these factors, MKP had any chance at all for coming back they had to do a regame or else they would be changing their own rules. so even if it's 200 supply to 1 theres a chance the 1 supply player can win right? what if the 200 supply player has a seizure collapses on the keyboard and hits f10 n no it isn't a case of "any chance at all" it's a case of "lets be fucking realistic, are you dead or aren't you dead" MKP was fucking dead
Great example there buddy.. talk about needing to be realistic.
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On April 08 2012 13:18 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:14 BlackGosu wrote:
nope this isnt tainted. nothing is 100% certain in sc2. especially with mkp's godlike micro
this is just beautiful. mkp wanted to prove to the world and defend prime's honor, REVERSE ALL KILL
haters gonna hate. Presumably if parting was at 200/200 and MKP was at 1/200, MKP would still have a chance. What with his godlike micro, and the fact that nothing is 100% certain in SC2.
It wasn't that far apart idiot, it was obviously close enough to warrant a regame.
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On April 08 2012 13:13 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:10 Schizoe wrote:On April 08 2012 13:08 lolmlg wrote:
lol @ people suggesting that a regame tainted the series. It's a regame, it's not like the referees gave an unfair ruling. If you're a Parting fan you probably think he had the game won, but the fact is that the game wasn't over yet. We saw SO MANY insane comebacks in this weekend, you can't just say that they should have awarded Parting the game when both players had tons of bases and supply. If MarineKing had forfeited the regame, then we could all sit here calling him a true gentleman. But first and foremost he's an e-sportsman and he came to win. tell me how to kill 12 chargelots 6 stalkers 2 archons with 3 marauder 2 marines and 2 ghosts The majority of people that comment in the SC2 forums actually don't play SC2. Keep that in mind when reading posts.
Apparently you don't play sc2 either. The majority of mkp's production was up in his main base so parting would have to go up a choke (the ramp) to be in a position to camp the main production and get a guarenteed win. But Scvs could have been pulled, and marine king would have more units by then, so who knows, with his insane micro its definitely possible that he could have held.
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On April 08 2012 13:18 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:18 MasterKang wrote:On April 08 2012 13:09 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Femari wrote:On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa lol no lol yes? lol NO perhaps on the way but not yet obviously.
Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet.
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On April 08 2012 13:21 Disengaged wrote:
Yall are argueing about the wrong things.
If SC2 had LAN to begin with this wouldn't have happened. Get pissed at Blizzard. Not the refs or the teams.
yeah. i wrote them a long e-mail saying how stupid they were. and i told them that they need to fire that twitter guy for lying to us about the true reasons the game dropped. assholes!! rabble, rabble
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On April 08 2012 13:19 Warillions wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:06 Inflicted_ wrote:On April 08 2012 13:04 Adreme wrote:On April 08 2012 13:03 silverstyle wrote:On April 08 2012 13:02 Fionn wrote:
MKP played amazing, but it's tainted. Parting had the game won. They would have been up 3-1 with Prime's last two players being Creator in PvP or GhostKing in Parting's best match-up. Prime took a risk sending MKP out so early, he got beat, they got a reprieve, and it paid off. I agree so much with this, couldnt agree more... Its not like they gave the game to MKP. Yes it sucks that Parting had to do it all again but he at least had a shot to get the job done again and he couldnt repeat his performance. PartinG won the first game because MarineKing had horrendous macro. Because of the disconnect, MKP was able to see this and just threw down a ton more barracks the second game. this guy trolling?
Did you even watch the game?
If MarineKing had put down 5-7 more Barracks, then he would've rolled through PartinG's army rather than having a 50 supply army and trying to outmicro his storms and zealots. The next game, the exact same build except MKP's mineral/gas was much lower and he rolled the army over with a larger army supply.
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On April 08 2012 13:18 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:14 antilyon wrote:On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
You seem to be just quoting reddit so I'll post the same thing I post there: The keypoint here is if MKP had no chance at all, counting warp cycles, Parting's units positions, time until MKP's next cycle come out, how much space MKP had to regroup. You can only know this if you had access to the replay. If counting all of these factors, MKP had any chance at all for coming back they had to do a regame or else they would be changing their own rules. so even if it's 200 supply to 1 theres a chance the 1 supply player can win right? what if the 200 supply player has a seizure collapses on the keyboard and hits f10 n no it isn't a case of "any chance at all" it's a case of "lets be fucking realistic, are you dead or aren't you dead" MKP was fucking dead
MKP Was close to dead... huge difference when it comes to ref's having to make a decision. He still had atleast 15 rax untouched with units ready to pop out, equal bases with a bigger bank. Parting had no money for warp ins at that point in time and MKP had vikigns to snip the warp prism even if he did.
Parting was far ahead yes. But MKP had a huge advantage not 10 minutes earlier and Parting managed to come back and get into a winning situation.... Bottom line, it was not 100% won, for the refs to give a game it has to be 100% End of story.
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On April 08 2012 13:14 LightMind wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:11 Replicate wrote:
A call by the refs that everyone hates? Seems like esports just took a step toward being closer to physical sports!
It's impossible to say whether or not StarTale would have won. I think PartinG had that game, but the call was made. I don't think it's quite fair to say Prime's win is completely invalid. There are many many sports championships that are also invalid, if that is the case. Sometimes bad calls are made, and obsessing about what might have happened is pretty futile. Well, except using this as a rallying cry for a LAN-solution.
I strongly disagree with MKP hate. What choice does he have? The judges declare a rematch. To throw a game would be incredibly disrespectful to fans, the judges/gsl, and fans. well said  can't agree more with you.
Feather in the hat to you sir
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Does any1 have a picture of MKP raising the trophy?
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On April 08 2012 13:19 Nethermind wrote:
I'm interested in hearing Korean nitizen opinions on this; are they are divided and anti/pro-Prime as foreigners are?
They share same opinions as you guys, but they are much more civil about it.
(HINT: They are banning any raging douchebags left and right with speed of light)
They're blaming shitty american internet, though.
They are saying GSTL should only host in Korean soil from now on.
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On April 08 2012 13:21 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:20 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa. MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also. Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg 2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year. MKP says this year is just getting started, baby. as has every best in the world player before they faded off
We'll see 
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On April 08 2012 13:21 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:20 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa. MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also. Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg 2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year. MKP says this year is just getting started, baby. as has every best in the world player before they faded off
Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg.
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On April 08 2012 13:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:17 Robson13 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:15 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:14 Robson13 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:13 Delinius wrote:
Parting wasn't ahead enough to secure a win, and MKP was still reinforcing with a similar worker count with over a dozen racks across his side of the map. People fail to realize protoss units warp in seconds while barracks take 10x longer.
Congrats MarineKing and Prime! Parting was on top of half of his production and he had spent his bank, he had lost 3 is half of ~15. This is news to me. He was sitting next to or near about 7-8 tax in total he had more workers and could still reinforce No he was not near 7-8 more rax.. he was only at the 3 sitting OUTSIDE the natural... and reinforce with 200 minerals? Hmm sure gonna get a lot of units from that..... Parting was ahead by a good amount, cannot deny that... but to say that he 100% had won that game is just flat out wrong.
If there is ever going to be a ruling to give a player the win, I feel PartinG qualified to grant that.
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On April 08 2012 13:21 ffrozenfish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:20 Femari wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa. MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also. Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg 2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year. Except for that time where he fell off pretty far. And then when he started to fall off again at the end of the year. how far did MVP fell? MVP is still Code S
He's talking about last year, and tbh I don't think Mvp will be staying Code S much longer with his wrists being in the condition they are.
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On April 08 2012 13:19 Robson13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:18 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:17 Robson13 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:15 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:14 Robson13 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:13 Delinius wrote:
Parting wasn't ahead enough to secure a win, and MKP was still reinforcing with a similar worker count with over a dozen racks across his side of the map. People fail to realize protoss units warp in seconds while barracks take 10x longer.
Congrats MarineKing and Prime! Parting was on top of half of his production and he had spent his bank, he had lost 3 is half of ~15. This is news to me. He was sitting next to or near about 7-8 tax in total he had more workers and could still reinforce No, he was sitting next to 3 oddly placed raxes outside of the natural ramp of MKP. Yes but pushing into the natural, units were coming out 1 by 1
Yeah, 1by1 in each of the 15 barracks. 
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On April 08 2012 13:20 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa. MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also. Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg 2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year. You really think things will go back to how they were? Not with MVP's wrists in their current condition.
just wait til he gets a robot hand like flash
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Being a huge fan of ST.Parting, I am beside myself on the decision. I am still happy for Prime though, they worked equally as hard to get to this point.
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On April 08 2012 13:21 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:18 rothsbury wrote:On April 08 2012 13:14 BlackGosu wrote:
nope this isnt tainted. nothing is 100% certain in sc2. especially with mkp's godlike micro
this is just beautiful. mkp wanted to prove to the world and defend prime's honor, REVERSE ALL KILL
haters gonna hate. Presumably if parting was at 200/200 and MKP was at 1/200, MKP would still have a chance. What with his godlike micro, and the fact that nothing is 100% certain in SC2. It wasn't that far apart idiot, it was obviously close enough to warrant a regame.
MKP had no army.
Parting had army at MKPs barracks.
Unless you think SCV are as good as marauders...
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