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Everyone knows the drill by now.

Keep it manner and have a good time.

We'll be watching along with you.
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8961
On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.


MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.


Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg


2011 MVP > MMA > MKP
2012 MKP > MMA > MVP
OMGomg64
Profile Joined March 2012
Afghanistan70 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8962
Congratz to Prime on the win!

Sucks for StarTale I would have loved to have seen the out come without the disconnect.

Damn you blizz.


Amazing season though for GSTL.
omg!
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8963
On April 08 2012 13:09 DivinitySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:07 Femari wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa

lol no


lol yes?


lol NO
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8964
On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.


MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.

He has never been the best player in the world until now. You have to win the tournaments. You have to be beating everyone. You don't get to the finals and lose 3 times, that's not dominance. That's emulating the Buffalo Bills. You want dominance? Look up Flash in '10. Look up sAviOr. Look up all the bonjwa's and what they won. Then tell me MKP is a bonjwa.

I love MKP, but he's nowhere close to being a bonjwa.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
Zheega
Profile Joined June 2011
Slovenia180 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8965
On April 08 2012 13:11 MaNaVoId wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:09 fcb10 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:08 MaNaVoId wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa

Not when he needs lost to parting nad got the cheek to ask for regame


how do u know he asked for it?


You think the referees did not consult the opinions of the teams, on the stream we saw the referees discussing with the teams? He certainly could have turned it down like how bomber did when he was given a free win after a game vs mana when he was certainly going to win, this shows the differences between prime and startale in the integrity of their playeers.

Tyler Wasieleski ‏ @TylerWasieleski

I'm sitting behind startale. Their coaches are still arguing against it
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8966
On April 08 2012 13:17 vndods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:14 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:14 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:08 MCMXVI wrote:
Congrats StarTale, the *real* GSTL S1 champions :D


No matter how many times you or other people post shit like this in the thread it will not change the result. MKP played great, won the regame, and the next 3 games. Prime won based fair and square based on the system and rules of the game and the tournament.

Marineking had to regame against Stephano yesterday and lost it but won the series. If ST was really the better team they would've overcome the setback.


LOL MAN, everyone know this, but the problem is, HE LOST THE FIRST GAME

Then why did he continue to play? If he had lost he should have been out and unable to play the remainder of the games.

because one nice decision for regame, with 3 marauder against 18 zealots 3 archons, 6 stalker and 6 ht

3 marauders and a production cycle of units finishing enough for MKP is enough.


yea oh wait, the protoss lost all the gates too, he cant produce units.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8967
wow. its amazing reading some of these posts and realizing that people dont understand what the word taint means.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8968
On April 08 2012 13:15 Desiato wrote:
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On April 08 2012 13:12 Femari wrote:
Why aren't we attacking Blizzard for causing this entire situation?

I don't think anyones forgotten Blizzard, it's just that no one has any faith that they'll implement anything to fix it until HOTS is out. ever


Their infrastructure and business plan is not suitable for both LAN nor load from replay. The cost to re-write b.net will prevent things from changing ever.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8969
On April 08 2012 13:13 HGurryp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:08 MCMXVI wrote:
Congrats StarTale, the *real* GSTL S1 champions :D


No matter how many times you or other people post shit like this in the thread it will not change the result. MKP played great, won the regame, and the next 3 games. Prime won based fair and square based on the system and rules of the game and the tournament.

Marineking had to regame against Stephano yesterday and lost it but won the series. If ST was really the better team they would've overcome the setback.


LOL MAN, everyone know this, but the problem is, HE LOST THE FIRST GAME AND WITHOUT MKP WHO CAN BEAT PARTING, SQUIRTLE, BOMBER, CURIOUS?? WHO? CREATOR IS GOOD BUT NOT LIKE MKP.

Prime and ST met earlier in the gstl, Byun and Creater are the only people who won games when they faced off, and Prime won. So, I think Creator and Byun could handle things?
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8970
Everyone has their own opinion, but I think it can be universally said that Parting was looking to have a distinct advantage there.

That's a pretty terrible way to end the tournament if you ask me. The finals were pretty much botched.
"Who hired this awful fountain gunner? He can't hit shit." - Yiss
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8971
Should've done a post-game interview and ask MKP:

Can you tell us how you would win against PartinG's 80 supply army with 3 marauders and 6 vikings?
duct_TAPE
Profile Joined May 2011
492 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8972
On April 08 2012 13:15 vndods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:14 duct_TAPE wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:11 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:10 Kettchup wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.

GG, WP, Foxer!


MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.

There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.

Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.


When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.

Except, Parting was on 3 barracks, not "the entire terran production facilities"


Where did I say that he was ontop of it? I said he was too close to his production facilities, PartinG only needed to walk a few meters to deny the reproduction of Marineking.
"WHAT!? but I thought there was only one way in Canada!" "Yeah, and y'all went the wrong direction on it"
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8973
On April 08 2012 13:14 BlackGosu wrote:
nope this isnt tainted. nothing is 100% certain in sc2. especially with mkp's godlike micro

this is just beautiful. mkp wanted to prove to the world and defend prime's honor, REVERSE ALL KILL

haters gonna hate.

Presumably if parting was at 200/200 and MKP was at 1/200, MKP would still have a chance. What with his godlike micro, and the fact that nothing is 100% certain in SC2.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8974
On April 08 2012 13:14 antilyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.

You seem to be just quoting reddit so I'll post the same thing I post there:

The keypoint here is if MKP had no chance at all, counting warp cycles, Parting's units positions, time until MKP's next cycle come out, how much space MKP had to regroup. You can only know this if you had access to the replay.
If counting all of these factors, MKP had any chance at all for coming back they had to do a regame or else they would be changing their own rules.


so even if it's 200 supply to 1 theres a chance the 1 supply player can win right? what if the 200 supply player has a seizure collapses on the keyboard and hits f10 n

no it isn't a case of "any chance at all"

it's a case of "lets be fucking realistic, are you dead or aren't you dead"

MKP was fucking dead
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8975
Still like MKP just as much, still like Prime just as much. Happy with the outcome. Little confused by the decision to regame, but I'm fine with it.
bumkin: How can you play like 50 games per day... I 4gate 2 times then it's nap time
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8976
So wrong...this is so wrong :'(
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8977
Prime didn't win. They lost. Just as Startale lost. Actually, we all did. The teams got robbed of the chance of playing a great final, and we all got robbed of watching a great final, just because activision and blizzard think that it's fine to fuck the legitimate consumers of their products if it will make piracy go down too.

I'm not mad at the teams of the players, I'm mad at blizzard, activision, and the referee, which called a clearly lost game.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8978
On April 08 2012 13:18 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:09 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:07 Femari wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa

lol no


lol yes?


lol NO

perhaps on the way but not yet obviously.
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#8979
On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.


MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.


Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg


2011 MVP > MMA > MKP
2012 MKP > MMA > MVP


for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
April 08 2012 04:19 GMT
#8980
On April 08 2012 13:17 Robson13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:15 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:14 Robson13 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 Delinius wrote:
Parting wasn't ahead enough to secure a win, and MKP was still reinforcing with a similar worker count with over a dozen racks across his side of the map. People fail to realize protoss units warp in seconds while barracks take 10x longer.

Congrats MarineKing and Prime!

Parting was on top of half of his production and he had spent his bank, he had lost

3 is half of ~15. This is news to me.

He was sitting next to or near about 7-8 tax in total he had more workers and could still reinforce

No he was not near 7-8 more rax.. he was only at the 3 sitting OUTSIDE the natural... and reinforce with 200 minerals? Hmm sure gonna get a lot of units from that.....

Parting was ahead by a good amount, cannot deny that... but to say that he 100% had won that game is just flat out wrong.
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