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Everyone knows the drill by now.

Keep it manner and have a good time.

We'll be watching along with you.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
April 08 2012 04:19 GMT
#8981
On April 08 2012 13:17 vndods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:14 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:14 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:08 MCMXVI wrote:
Congrats StarTale, the *real* GSTL S1 champions :D


No matter how many times you or other people post shit like this in the thread it will not change the result. MKP played great, won the regame, and the next 3 games. Prime won based fair and square based on the system and rules of the game and the tournament.

Marineking had to regame against Stephano yesterday and lost it but won the series. If ST was really the better team they would've overcome the setback.


LOL MAN, everyone know this, but the problem is, HE LOST THE FIRST GAME

Then why did he continue to play? If he had lost he should have been out and unable to play the remainder of the games.

because one nice decision for regame, with 3 marauder against 18 zealots 3 archons, 6 stalker and 6 ht

3 marauders and a production cycle of units finishing enough for MKP is enough.


Guess you haven't seen many TvPs.
Liquipedia"Expert"
Caltu
Profile Joined May 2011
60 Posts
April 08 2012 04:19 GMT
#8982
This is clouding the fact MKP just took out some of the most amazing players in the world.
He was toying with PartinG and got his a** handed to him in the first game, but he then proceeds to take another 3 games.
Thats pretty awesome in my mind
Warillions
Profile Joined November 2010
United States215 Posts
April 08 2012 04:19 GMT
#8983
On April 08 2012 13:06 Inflicted_ wrote:
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On April 08 2012 13:04 Adreme wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:03 silverstyle wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:02 Fionn wrote:
MKP played amazing, but it's tainted. Parting had the game won. They would have been up 3-1 with Prime's last two players being Creator in PvP or GhostKing in Parting's best match-up. Prime took a risk sending MKP out so early, he got beat, they got a reprieve, and it paid off.


I agree so much with this, couldnt agree more...


Its not like they gave the game to MKP. Yes it sucks that Parting had to do it all again but he at least had a shot to get the job done again and he couldnt repeat his performance.


PartinG won the first game because MarineKing had horrendous macro. Because of the disconnect, MKP was able to see this and just threw down a ton more barracks the second game.


this guy trolling?
Robson13
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom248 Posts
April 08 2012 04:19 GMT
#8984
On April 08 2012 13:18 vndods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:17 Robson13 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:15 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:14 Robson13 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 Delinius wrote:
Parting wasn't ahead enough to secure a win, and MKP was still reinforcing with a similar worker count with over a dozen racks across his side of the map. People fail to realize protoss units warp in seconds while barracks take 10x longer.

Congrats MarineKing and Prime!

Parting was on top of half of his production and he had spent his bank, he had lost

3 is half of ~15. This is news to me.

He was sitting next to or near about 7-8 tax in total he had more workers and could still reinforce

No, he was sitting next to 3 oddly placed raxes outside of the natural ramp of MKP.

Yes but pushing into the natural, units were coming out 1 by 1
Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
April 08 2012 04:19 GMT
#8985
I'm interested in hearing Korean nitizen opinions on this; are they are divided and anti/pro-Prime as foreigners are?
Vond
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Sweden145 Posts
April 08 2012 04:19 GMT
#8986
On April 08 2012 13:18 vnlegend wrote:
MKP had at least 5-10% chance of winning that game. He had 70+ scvs. As MC puts it "scvs are Terran's melee units." There's nothing to prevent MKP from pulling 20-30 scvs as meatshields and holding off the zealots with his reinforcements. Even so with 5-10% chance, there's still a chance. In game 2, MKP definitively won the game. So in 2 games he eeked out the 1.05/2.00 percentage. If Parting was the better player, he still would've won the 2 game...


5-10% chance should be enough to call it in Partings favor. I would say closer to 5% than 10% though. I was rooting for Prime before the finals, but this whole situation where a player who should already be out went on to take 4 victories makes me sick. I feel really sorry for StarTale.
FoBoTheBush
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden41 Posts
April 08 2012 04:20 GMT
#8987
On April 08 2012 13:09 Inflicted_ wrote:
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On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.

GG, WP, Foxer!


TvT and TvP are different stories, as well as the fact that it was late-game for MKP vs PartinG.



A protoss deathball whit in a warp-in cycle before the next MKP cycle, no way he could hold that, its like Bomber making a comeback whit those 2 marines a CC and 3 floating barracks.....
idrA " if you put all the greatest foreigners in a team they could definitely compete with the Koreans"
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
April 08 2012 04:20 GMT
#8988
On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.


MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.


Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg


2011 MVP > MMA > MKP
2012 MKP > MMA > MVP


for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.

MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
April 08 2012 04:20 GMT
#8989
On April 08 2012 13:16 NipponBanzai wrote:
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On April 08 2012 13:14 Fionn wrote:
Honestly, I am a Prime fan. I wrote an article about how fucking amazing it was that a team that essentially lost most of their players, their only GSL champion, and all of their sponsors could take the self initiative and turn everything around by themselves, but the championship is tainted. MarineKing did four-kill Startale and he played excellent in those four games, but Parting looked to have that game won. Even if MKP did make a miracle comeback in some alternate universe, the whole final is still tainted because no one will ever look back at this final and go, 'Wow, MarineKing carried his team to victory and proved he isn't a choker!' People will go, 'Wow...remember when Startale got fucked over?"

GSTL Finals 1, "Wow, Squirtle beat MVP in an epic game, but Nestea saved IM! What an amazing finals!"

GSTL Finals 2, "Wow, MMA is a monster! How did he take down IM!? What an amazing finals!"

GSTL Finals 3, "Holy shit! MMA and DRG are fucking awesome! What an amazing finals!"

GSTL Finals 4, "MVP proved they can win without DRG! Not the best finals, but enjoyable!"

GSTL Finals 5, "what the fuck man mkp got fucking lucky. what a joke."


I don't know. I really enjoyed the finals. It sucks that mkp dropped but things like that happen. I could care less that a bunch of people are mad on the internet. Doesn't really taint the finals for me.


What don't you understand? people are upset because the finals were tainted, this whole series could have been different if parting won game 1. MKP would be out of the picture and prime would have their star player gone.
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 08 2012 04:20 GMT
#8990
On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.


MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.


Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg


2011 MVP > MMA > MKP
2012 MKP > MMA > MVP


for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.


You really think things will go back to how they were? Not with MVP's wrists in their current condition.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
April 08 2012 04:20 GMT
#8991
On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.


MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.

5+ second place finishes in Code S/A does not equal bonjwa. Bonjwa is NaDa, destroying nerds left and right and completely changing the Terran macro game. Bonjwa is iloveoov with a >70% overall winrate, and winning EVERYTHING over the span of a year. I don't even have to mention the others.
MKP doesn't even compare to MVP 2011 in terms of bonjwa status. MVP was at least flat out the best of 2011, MKP has been, arguably, the best of March and early April 2012 only.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
April 08 2012 04:20 GMT
#8992
On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:17 HGurryp wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:16 DivinitySC2 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote:
MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.


MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.


Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg


2011 MVP > MMA > MKP
2012 MKP > MMA > MVP


for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.

Except for that time where he fell off pretty far.

And then when he started to fall off again at the end of the year.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 08 2012 04:20 GMT
#8993
I pray that the Proleague finals aren't as god awful as this final was.

Games were great and fun to watch but after the whole regame situation it is impossible to get that bad taste out of my mouth. Embarrassing for everyone and it really sucks.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
April 08 2012 04:20 GMT
#8994
On April 08 2012 13:14 duct_TAPE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:11 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:10 Kettchup wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.

GG, WP, Foxer!


MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.

There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.

Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.


When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.


1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere

2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 08 2012 04:21 GMT
#8995
Yall are argueing about the wrong things.

If SC2 had LAN to begin with this wouldn't have happened. Get pissed at Blizzard. Not the refs or the teams.
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
April 08 2012 04:21 GMT
#8996
Why doesn't Esports have post game shows like in real sports. I hate that I have to wait 3-4 days after the fact before shows like Inside the Game and Live on Three talk about events.
"let your freak flag fly"
Desiato
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada185 Posts
April 08 2012 04:21 GMT
#8997
On April 08 2012 13:18 aebriol wrote:
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On April 08 2012 13:15 Desiato wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:12 Femari wrote:
Why aren't we attacking Blizzard for causing this entire situation?

I don't think anyones forgotten Blizzard, it's just that no one has any faith that they'll implement anything to fix it until HOTS is out.

Until HOTS is out?

You have way more faith than I have

I think the best solution would be to implement a "regame from replay's end' feature, which just pause the game at the end of the replay (alternatively, X seconds before, judgement call that you make before you start the game ... then you could countdown and unpause the game where it was left off assuming the replay isn't broken.

I mean, we already have replays so ... how hard can it be.

Either way, doesn't matter.

Marineking is amazing.

He would, imho, 90% sure, have lost the game that was regamed.

But he didn't steal anything, it's not his judgement call.

Blizzard's talked big about the changes they're updating Battle.net with when HOTS comes out...If Blizzard really wants to support esports they'd cut out all the bullshit and fix basic issues tournaments have had since beta, kind of makes me embarrassed for them.
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
April 08 2012 04:21 GMT
#8998
On April 08 2012 13:19 Robson13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:18 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:17 Robson13 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:15 vndods wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:14 Robson13 wrote:
On April 08 2012 13:13 Delinius wrote:
Parting wasn't ahead enough to secure a win, and MKP was still reinforcing with a similar worker count with over a dozen racks across his side of the map. People fail to realize protoss units warp in seconds while barracks take 10x longer.

Congrats MarineKing and Prime!

Parting was on top of half of his production and he had spent his bank, he had lost

3 is half of ~15. This is news to me.

He was sitting next to or near about 7-8 tax in total he had more workers and could still reinforce

No, he was sitting next to 3 oddly placed raxes outside of the natural ramp of MKP.

Yes but pushing into the natural, units were coming out 1 by 1

There was still a supply depot with one bunker at the natural ramp. with scvs repairing he could have manged to secure a little ball of units inside his main.
Kamwah
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom724 Posts
April 08 2012 04:21 GMT
#8999
On April 08 2012 13:12 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 13:07 Kamwah wrote:
I find it funny that people can't see what's logically fair.

The rematch was the best option because while MKP was ahead most of the game, Parting was ahead when the network went down.

I just really can't see why people have such a problem with a rematch, if Parting was going to win then he would have won the rematch and we'd probably see Parting being the victors here.

But this is the internet I guess, where people can QQ and rage at each other and not just calmly discuss or agree to disagree.


MKP was ahead but it wasn't near the level that Parting was ahead when the DC happened

Parting was ahead in worker count and had a significant army supply advantage and was also destroying MKP's production buildings. MKP never got to the point of destroying Parting's production buildings in Game 1.


Agreed but I don't think the timing of the DC should be taken into account because it could have happened at any point in the game.

A rematch is and was the fairest option for them to choose. We don't know how it would have turned out, MKP could have pulled something out of his ass and we've all seen games like that. I don't see why people have to be so sour about it all. It's just a game and Parting won't be raging as much as you lot.
Learn to count with CatsPajamas!
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
April 08 2012 04:21 GMT
#9000
On April 08 2012 13:20 Hall0wed wrote:
I pray that the Proleague finals aren't as god awful as this final was.

Games were great and fun to watch but after the whole regame situation it is impossible to get that bad taste out of my mouth. Embarrassing for everyone and it really sucks.


How can you be bitter with the proleague finals, they got LAN.
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