On April 08 2012 13:19 Nethermind wrote: I'm interested in hearing Korean nitizen opinions on this; are they are divided and anti/pro-Prime as foreigners are?
They share same opinions as you guys, but they are much more civil about it. (HINT: They are banning any raging douchebags left and right with speed of light) They're blaming shitty american internet, though. They are saying GSTL should only host in Korean soil from now on.
Lol. Our internet is fine. Their internet isn't any better. Just because it happened in the US first doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in Korea.
Their Internet is actually exponentially better from what I understand.
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay....
On April 08 2012 13:22 Ryler wrote: I love how some people use the it wasn't a 100% loss, well no shit
the only way it could have been a 100% loss is if MKP has 0 supply with no bank to whatever Parting has(inb4 flying terran buildings), but anyone actually WATCHING the game knows that parting wins that atleast 90-95%, for fuck sake he was down on supply whole game trading left and right and now he has a 40 supply lead right next to his base? sure he doesn't have ALL of the army there, but MKPS army is coming out of the raxes 1 by 1. but I guess those 6 vikings turn the tide
It was like a 90% loss for MKP too at one point when he was playing against Bomber and Squirtle. He won both of those games some how... you guys can't be theorycrafting this from a normal T point of view.
MKP was nothing like 90% against Bomber, he had a huge army in comparison to Bomber and that's a big part of why he won. Supplies were very equal, even if Bomber was ahead in SCVs.
Stopped watching after that, don't know about Squirtle.
MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.
Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg
2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP
for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.
MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.
as has every best in the world player before they faded off
Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg.
where would you ever get that idea, mkp lost that game and as a result tainted the victory that they didn't deserve
This will be my last post direct at you for the night, but I'm sorry that you're so hurt about MKP probably owning all your favorite players on a consistant basis. Hopefully one day you will get over it.
Good night!
this is the problem, mkp lost that game, and without mkp startale wins. dã
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out. As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
You guys must be roommates or something
Lol I noticed this too. Thank you for pointing it out.
On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out. As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
Do you know if marinekings production was 99% done?
Heh.
After watching the replay, he was about 15/20% done on marauders / marines while PartinG had 2 seconds until warp-gates were off cooldown. He also had a warp prism in MKP's base.
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay....
Actually, he's being quite logical and you ignore the fact that pros such as Hero and Tyler (both not on Startale) have given input and said that Parting had that game won. How do you know that the judgment was even made by pros and not by referees? Anyway, Parting may have had 200 minerals but his income was through the roof. 79 probes on 4-5 bases?
MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.
Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg
2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP
for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.
MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.
as has every best in the world player before they faded off
Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg.
where would you ever get that idea, mkp lost that game and as a result tainted the victory that they didn't deserve
This will be my last post direct at you for the night, but I'm sorry that you're so hurt about MKP probably owning all your favorite players on a consistant basis. Hopefully one day you will get over it.
Good night!
this is the problem, mkp lost that game, and without mkp startale wins. dã
you can't say that at all. When startale and prime met just a few weeks ago you had Curious (as the starter) take out not only MKP and Maru but terious as well. Thats even worse than how Prime started this matchup.
You then had creator beat curious and bomber, get beaten by squirtle. GhostKingPrime then came in and swept the rest of startale.
Prime ALREADY beat StartaleQ without MKP. Obviously they were capable of doing it again.
Flash v JD: Community mad because JD got win when he had a significant (but not decisive) advantage. MKP v Parting: Community mad because of regame when Parting had a significant (but not decisive) advantage.
On April 08 2012 13:19 Nethermind wrote: I'm interested in hearing Korean nitizen opinions on this; are they are divided and anti/pro-Prime as foreigners are?
They share same opinions as you guys, but they are much more civil about it. (HINT: They are banning any raging douchebags left and right with speed of light) They're blaming shitty american internet, though. They are saying GSTL should only host in Korean soil from now on.
Lol. Our internet is fine. Their internet isn't any better. Just because it happened in the US first doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in Korea.
Their Internet is actually exponentially better from what I understand.
Nationally, yes. Because our nation is so large the infrastructure would cost a lot.
Las Vegas is a major city with high speed internet, though.
On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote: MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa
lol no
lol yes?
lol NO
perhaps on the way but not yet obviously.
Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet.
i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all.
really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!"
Man did you see what mvp won? BLIZZCON, WCG, MLG, THREE GSL, and mkp? 2 mlg
2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP
for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.
MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.
as has every best in the world player before they faded off
Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg.
where would you ever get that idea, mkp lost that game and as a result tainted the victory that they didn't deserve
This will be my last post direct at you for the night, but I'm sorry that you're so hurt about MKP probably owning all your favorite players on a consistant basis. Hopefully one day you will get over it.
Good night!
this is the problem, mkp lost that game, and without mkp startale wins. dã
you can't say that at all. When startale and prime met just a few weeks ago you had Curious (as the starter) take out not only MKP and Maru but terious as well. Thats even worse than how Prime started this matchup.
You then had creator beat curious and bomber, get beaten by squirtle. GhostKingPrime then came in and swept the rest of startale.
Prime ALREADY beat StartaleQ without MKP. Obviously they were capable of doing it again.
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay....
+1
200 minerals = enough for 4 hts for feedbacks on any medis + 2 archons. Not to mention 5 bases going mining (2-3 effectively)... Yes ... that was clearly enough to stop what measly production he had. Even Khaldor relooking at the replay said not all the barracks were producing units only just a few.
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay....
79 probes mining should be sufficient to allow his 15 gates to warp a cycle of units.
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out. As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
You guys must be roommates or something
Lol I noticed this too. Thank you for pointing it out.
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