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On April 08 2012 13:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:30 HolyArrow wrote:On April 08 2012 13:28 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay.... Actually, he's being quite logical and you ignore the fact that pros such as Hero and Tyler (both not on Startale) have given input and said that Parting had that game won. How do you know that the judgment was even made by pros and not by referees? Yes.. two Protoss players claiming victory.......... really unbiased there. And correct me if I'm wrong but Wolf even said the Ref's were former BW/SC2 pro's? Even if not I still trust their judgement more.
those refs were clearly unbiased zerg players because racial bias can't occur here
last time i checked tyler plays this game more than 90% of this forum and as a result has probably been in situations like parting v MKP
i trust tylers judgement based on the fact that he is smart, and used to be a damn good bw player
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Tweeted by Tyler:
@TylerWasieleski
I'm sitting behind startale. Their coaches are still arguing against it.
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Sad to hear. I'm guessing this could effect a lot of the players mental state going into the games after the call was made. 
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On April 08 2012 13:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:30 HolyArrow wrote:On April 08 2012 13:28 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay.... Actually, he's being quite logical and you ignore the fact that pros such as Hero and Tyler (both not on Startale) have given input and said that Parting had that game won. How do you know that the judgment was even made by pros and not by referees? Yes.. two Protoss players claiming victory.......... really unbiased there. And correct me if I'm wrong but Wolf even said the Ref's were former BW/SC2 pro's? Even if not I still trust their judgement more.
That makes no sense. Why would they be biased just because they're Protoss players? This is a TEAM league and Liquid is definitely not Startale. If you're arguing that they think Parting had it in the bag just because they're both Protoss rather than using their Protoss knowledge of a matchup that involves Protoss players to make an unbiased analysis, then I really don't know what to say.
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On April 08 2012 13:32 ScaringKids wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:27 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:25 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:24 FoBoTheBush wrote:On April 08 2012 13:20 Fubi wrote:On April 08 2012 13:14 duct_TAPE wrote:On April 08 2012 13:11 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:10 Kettchup wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer! MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast. There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing. Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess. When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time. 1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere 2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks. wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's. wat ah of course mkp magically whipped up a few bunkers from the scvs he still has mining minerals in his main base from the 30 minute game with mules to protect his production and of course he has units and bunkers at his 3rd 4th and 5th Ppl also fail to realise Parting had his Warp Prism IN MKP'S MAIN, there was simply no way to come back. Yes im a Gold scrub, but im not blind.
Do they let you warp in enough of cheaper units in gold league or something? Parting had 200 mineral
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On April 08 2012 13:32 ScaringKids wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:27 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:25 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:24 FoBoTheBush wrote:On April 08 2012 13:20 Fubi wrote:On April 08 2012 13:14 duct_TAPE wrote:On April 08 2012 13:11 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:10 Kettchup wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer! MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast. There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing. Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess. When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time. 1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere 2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks. wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's. wat ah of course mkp magically whipped up a few bunkers from the scvs he still has mining minerals in his main base from the 30 minute game with mules to protect his production and of course he has units and bunkers at his 3rd 4th and 5th Ppl also fail to realise Parting had his Warp Prism IN MKP'S MAIN, there was simply no way to come back. Yes im a Gold scrub, but im not blind.
Hmm well apparently you are blind to the 6 vikings MKP had tailing said warp prism....
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On April 08 2012 13:32 Tzuborg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:11 Zheega wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer! MKP vs Bomber was in no way a come-back. Bomber had less army supply by about 30%, also 4 less tanks. It wasn't even close. And when MKP army attacked bomber there was no come-back possible, because MKP had a 50% army supply lead. Parting had an even bigger lead (about 90%). What about Bombers first comeback in that very same match? How he held what seemed to be an impossible hold at the beginning? MKP still had tons of racks and money he could produce from, and PartinG was nowhere near these facilities (he was attacking those three out in the middle). Also, stop pulling statistics out of your butt. PartinG did not have a 90 % lead.
Bomber had double-mule...
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OK, I just found the perfect example.
Bomber vs MKP, MKP is sieged at Bomber's natural right after he took out the majority of the scv's and he only has a bunch of marines on his main and 2 or 3 marines plus a medivac on his natural.
If Bomber had been disconnected right there, and the referees had given MKP the win, it's over. But Bomber actually managed to crawl his way back into the game with his micro and game sense, how many times would you think he'd be be able to do that? 1/10? 1/15?
The important part is: he did. He went into lost that game, but he was ahead for a good part of the game. This is what COULD'VE happen on MKP vs Parting scenario.
Following their own rules, they can't give a player a win unless they are 100% sure that player lost.
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On April 08 2012 13:33 Lunares wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:31 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:30 Lunares wrote:On April 08 2012 13:28 HGurryp wrote:On April 08 2012 13:27 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:25 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:22 iSometric wrote:On April 08 2012 13:21 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:20 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 HGurryp wrote:
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for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year. MKP says this year is just getting started, baby. as has every best in the world player before they faded off Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg. where would you ever get that idea, mkp lost that game and as a result tainted the victory that they didn't deserve This will be my last post direct at you for the night, but I'm sorry that you're so hurt about MKP probably owning all your favorite players on a consistant basis. Hopefully one day you will get over it. Good night! this is the problem, mkp lost that game, and without mkp startale wins. dã you can't say that at all. When startale and prime met just a few weeks ago you had Curious (as the starter) take out not only MKP and Maru but terious as well. Thats even worse than how Prime started this matchup. You then had creator beat curious and bomber, get beaten by squirtle. GhostKingPrime then came in and swept the rest of startale. Prime ALREADY beat StartaleQ without MKP. Obviously they were capable of doing it again. and how can u know this? with startale 3-1 prime I responding to the point that startale beats MKP = win. Thats not true at all. Startale vs Prime in the GSTL regulator season was up 3-0, even better than the 3-1 here, after taking down MKP, Maru, Terious. THEY STILL LOST THAT MATCH. Nobody can ever know how the rest of the final would have gone if Parting had been awarded the victory. You certainly can't say that startale would have won for sure as they already lost before, while having a larger advantage.
omg im getting mad, so many idiots, im not talking parting beats mkp= win, IM TALKING WITH 3-1 STARTALE, WITHOUT MKP its so hard for Prime, and change all the results.
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Anyways, all this talk about how partinG should've won will not change jack shit, that's for certain.
There's nothing you can do about it, I'm afraid.
A smart person would man up and cheer twice as hard than usual when partinG plays against MKP in the future.
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On April 08 2012 13:34 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 08 2012 13:30 HolyArrow wrote:On April 08 2012 13:28 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote:
Some relevant math I did:
149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP
Parting:
79 Probes
Army:
70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply
6 stalkers = 12 supply
53 supply remaining
8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply
53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining
18 zealots ~ = 36 supply
Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD.
MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay.... Actually, he's being quite logical and you ignore the fact that pros such as Hero and Tyler (both not on Startale) have given input and said that Parting had that game won. How do you know that the judgment was even made by pros and not by referees? Yes.. two Protoss players claiming victory.......... really unbiased there. And correct me if I'm wrong but Wolf even said the Ref's were former BW/SC2 pro's? Even if not I still trust their judgement more. That makes no sense. Why would they be biased just because they're Protoss players? This is a TEAM league and Liquid is definitely not Startale. If you're arguing that they think Parting had it in the bag just because they're both Protoss rather than using their Protoss knowledge of a matchup that involves Protoss players to make an unbiased analysis, then I really don't know what to say.
Any respectable psychologist would tell you that there is an obvious bias in their judgment if they are Protoss.
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On April 08 2012 13:35 antilyon wrote:
OK, I just found the perfect example.
Bomber vs MKP, MKP is sieged at Bomber's natural right after he took out the majority of the scv's and he only has a bunch of marines on his main and 2 or 3 marines plus a medivac on his natural.
If Bomber had been disconnected right there, and the referees had given MKP the win, it's over. But Bomber actually managed to crawl his way back into the game with his micro and game sense, how many times would you think he'd be be able to do that? 1/10? 1/15?
The important part is: he did. He went into lost that game, but he was ahead for a good part of the game. This is what COULD'VE happen on MKP vs Parting scenario.
Following their own rules, they can't give a player a win unless they are 100% sure that player lost.
You can't use TvT as an example here. The matchups are completely different. Everyone knows that once Protoss gets an advantage like that in the lategame, it quickly spirals out of control for the Terran. TvT is a completely different story from PvT.
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On April 08 2012 13:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:32 ScaringKids wrote:On April 08 2012 13:27 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:25 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:24 FoBoTheBush wrote:On April 08 2012 13:20 Fubi wrote:On April 08 2012 13:14 duct_TAPE wrote:On April 08 2012 13:11 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:10 Kettchup wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer! MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast. There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing. Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess. When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time. 1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere 2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks. wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's. wat ah of course mkp magically whipped up a few bunkers from the scvs he still has mining minerals in his main base from the 30 minute game with mules to protect his production and of course he has units and bunkers at his 3rd 4th and 5th Ppl also fail to realise Parting had his Warp Prism IN MKP'S MAIN, there was simply no way to come back. Yes im a Gold scrub, but im not blind. Hmm well apparently you are blind to the 6 vikings MKP had tailing said warp prism....
tailing, please tell me how you know something i don't
screenshot or irrelevant argument
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On April 08 2012 13:36 JiPrime wrote:
Anyways, all this talk about how partinG should've won will not change jack shit, that's for certain.
There's nothing you can do about it, I'm afraid.
A smart person would man up and cheer twice as hard than usual when partinG plays against MKP in the future.
Quit being salty.
Not having LAN is the problem. No ones fault. Except for Blizzard.
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On April 08 2012 13:34 Zerothegreat wrote:Tweeted by Tyler: @TylerWasieleski I'm sitting behind startale. Their coaches are still arguing against it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sad to hear. I'm guessing this could effect a lot of the players mental state going into the games after the call was made.
wait is this an old tweet? or is there arguing going on right now?
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On April 08 2012 13:32 Tzuborg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:11 Zheega wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote:
After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer! MKP vs Bomber was in no way a come-back. Bomber had less army supply by about 30%, also 4 less tanks. It wasn't even close. And when MKP army attacked bomber there was no come-back possible, because MKP had a 50% army supply lead. Parting had an even bigger lead (about 90%). What about Bombers first comeback in that very same match? How he held what seemed to be an impossible hold at the beginning? MKP still had tons of racks and money he could produce from, and PartinG was nowhere near these facilities (he was attacking those three out in the middle). Also, stop pulling statistics out of your butt. PartinG did not have a 90 % lead.
That was an exciting hold, but impossible is pretty generous to Bomber.
90% I think is generous in MKP's favor, but if you want I could say something like "MKP was much more likely to lose than Bomber." I don't think it's hard to read what I meant (or for that matter, read these gamestates.)
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It's really a lot closer than I thought it was.
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On April 08 2012 13:34 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:31 sc14s wrote:On April 08 2012 13:21 RJGooner wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 sc14s wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 MasterKang wrote:On April 08 2012 13:09 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Femari wrote:On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa lol no lol yes? lol NO perhaps on the way but not yet obviously. Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet. i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all. really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!" Now I just see BoxeR in a Santa outfit walking up a snow covered hill. But lol MKP is the best player in the world at this moment. He's not a bonjwa and he's nowhere close to being one. You need to do what MKP is doing for a year. An entire year. He has at least 10 months to go.
yeah but the guy is arguing that what mkp is doing isn't even "close to on the way" which is plain silly because how he is currently.. if continued would 100% be "on the way" .
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On April 08 2012 13:26 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:23 Probasaur wrote:
People saying MKP was dead when he had what 15+ barracks with mostly reactors pumping out 30+ units?? You're crazy.
If you think he was dead you clearly have never seen MKP make a comeback by micro-ing his last few units. He would have kited all day in his base inside the maze of barracks and stabilized.
And maybe he wouldn't of and maybe Parting would have won, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE WON.
BUT he didn't. The game was interrupted before it was truly over. If he had 5 barracks left and 0 units then we could say it was over, but it wasn't over. You can't say you could predict the outcome of that back and forth game, it was too close to call. And its not like Parting just crushed MKP the whole time and then it went to DC, it was prolly the closest PvT I've ever watched. Based on just that alone for you to be upset about a regame is ridiculous and you're just being blind fanboys. Be happy you got to see the rematch, although it wasn't half as good. And just be happy you got to watch one of the greatest terrans (arguably the greatest) of all time play more games and hoist the trophy he so clearly deserves.
Dwelling on the negatives are what you sad people do best. So there's really nothing anyone can say that will help you see all the facts. You'll just focus on conjecture, speculation, and your judgement over the GSL referee's. Dude.... I want to give you a hug and a medal..... <3
This is it, basically. I see so many sad, sad people come here and talk about what a "disgrace" this final was, or how "Blizzard is guilty" when they had nothing to do with it... ( http://twitter.com/#!/dting888/status/188819332145479681 ).
I'll say nothing more because I don't want to get banned, but I'm getting sick of all this nonsensical hate and whine.
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On April 08 2012 13:37 SuperYo1000 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:34 Zerothegreat wrote:Tweeted by Tyler: @TylerWasieleski I'm sitting behind startale. Their coaches are still arguing against it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sad to hear. I'm guessing this could effect a lot of the players mental state going into the games after the call was made. wait is this an old tweet? or is there arguing going on right now?
That was tweeted as the decision was actually being made (so it's old)
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