On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
This. Holy crap, I haven't seen TL this butthurt since that JD vs Flash match a year or two ago... Lighten up a little, people. This ain't the last GSTL, there will be plenty of GSTLs in the future.
On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote: MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa
lol no
lol yes?
lol NO
perhaps on the way but not yet obviously.
Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet.
i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all.
really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!"
Now I just see BoxeR in a Santa outfit walking up a snow covered hill.
But lol MKP is the best player in the world at this moment. He's not a bonjwa and he's nowhere close to being one. You need to do what MKP is doing for a year. An entire year. He has at least 10 months to go.
Here is, in my opinion, the difference between BW bonjwas and sc2 "bonjwa's".The amount of games played in SC2 is far greater in volume and far shorter in timespan than BW. So for a BW player to dominate 2-3 starleagues in a row was to dominate for a better part of a year. And typically in that span their winrates were fairly insane. It's not that MKP hasn't had, by title only, comparable feats (although that is debatable; the BW bonjwas typically had at least 3 titles of hugely prestigious tournaments over their "period"), but rather that it hasn't felt like he's been at the top FOREVER. The extended length of their reign made it so that they were undisputably the best--unlike MKP who still had DRG and MMA to compete with.
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
This. Holy crap, I haven't seen TL this butthurt since that JD vs Flash match a year or two ago... Lighten up a little, people. This ain't the last GSTL, there will be plenty of GSTLs in the future.
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay....
79 probes mining should be sufficient to allow his 15 gates to warp a cycle of units.
And now that all the math (thanks for that, btw.) and logical thinking is done, the other side answers with: "but he had barracks", "but he was not dead", "but he could have had a comeback".
It´s pretty hard to argue about something when everything number wise and everyone who saw that game really saw PartinG winning it. VODs will prove it even more. But I will call it a night now. It´s all over anyway. And I really enjoyed how GOM pumped up the hyped and fixed everything. I had a really great day until this happened!
I agree, this is an argument that's not worth having given how obvious it is. The fact that we have to argue it at all shows that it can't really be won. I would be receptive to something like a philosophical argument about the GSTL's rules, but most people here are just pretending MKP could make a comeback.
I'm a huge fan of MKP and this is not his fault at all, just being fair here.
On April 08 2012 13:20 vndods wrote: [quote] MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.
as has every best in the world player before they faded off
Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg.
where would you ever get that idea, mkp lost that game and as a result tainted the victory that they didn't deserve
This will be my last post direct at you for the night, but I'm sorry that you're so hurt about MKP probably owning all your favorite players on a consistant basis. Hopefully one day you will get over it.
Good night!
this is the problem, mkp lost that game, and without mkp startale wins. dã
you can't say that at all. When startale and prime met just a few weeks ago you had Curious (as the starter) take out not only MKP and Maru but terious as well. Thats even worse than how Prime started this matchup.
You then had creator beat curious and bomber, get beaten by squirtle. GhostKingPrime then came in and swept the rest of startale.
Prime ALREADY beat StartaleQ without MKP. Obviously they were capable of doing it again.
and how can u know this? with startale 3-1 prime
I responding to the point that startale beats MKP = win. Thats not true at all. Startale vs Prime in the GSTL regulator season was up 3-0, even better than the 3-1 here, after taking down MKP, Maru, Terious. THEY STILL LOST THAT MATCH.
Nobody can ever know how the rest of the final would have gone if Parting had been awarded the victory. You certainly can't say that startale would have won for sure as they already lost before, while having a larger advantage.
omg im getting mad, so many idiots, im not talking parting beats mkp= win, IM TALKING WITH 3-1 STARTALE, WITHOUT MKP its so hard for Prime, and change all the results.
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
no, without mkp, maru only code a players for prime and startale wins.
Byun and Creator won every game for Prime when they met this season so I don't see how you can guarantee a startale win. They were even down 3-0 last time
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
This. Holy crap, I haven't seen TL this butthurt since that JD vs Flash match a year or two ago... Lighten up a little, people. This ain't the last GSTL, there will be plenty of GSTLs in the future.
On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote: MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa
lol no
lol yes?
lol NO
perhaps on the way but not yet obviously.
Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet.
i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all.
really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!"
Now I just see BoxeR in a Santa outfit walking up a snow covered hill.
But lol MKP is the best player in the world at this moment. He's not a bonjwa and he's nowhere close to being one. You need to do what MKP is doing for a year. An entire year. He has at least 10 months to go.
Though Boxer was dominant he's a Bonjwa more by honor not his extreme dominance like the others.
MKP has indeed a very long way to go and i really don't see why we get the bonjwa name throwing out again.
On April 08 2012 13:32 Daimiru wrote: Also what's up with these people being like "Parting couldn't afford his next warp-in", he had 79 mining probes, do you really think he can't power his Gateways? He only needs to pay at the time the cooldowns are actually up. Normally keeping your resources low is a sign of good play, but here you think it means he was losing?
Curious, didn't see this game--did Parting have templar tech and/or a lot of gas? Even if no on the HT tech, sentries would be a potential gas dump. But from the sound of it, he could have had 0 mins, 0 gas, and only twilight tech and won with his advantage. 79 workers will bring in a ridiculous amount of money.
I felt happy for MKP, but I more or less got up to speed on the controversy as I watched him vs Bomber (lol Bomber MULEs) and was cheering for Startale, which has never been a favorite of mine.
On April 08 2012 13:36 JiPrime wrote: Anyways, all this talk about how partinG should've won will not change jack shit, that's for certain. There's nothing you can do about it, I'm afraid. A smart person would man up and cheer twice as hard than usual when partinG plays against MKP in the future.
Quit being salty.
Not having LAN is the problem. No ones fault.
And haven't we been whining about this issue to them for 2 years straight? What have we got from out of this?
You clearly haven't dealt with Blizzard for very long.
Blizzard is very stubborn to shit.
Which is the exact point I'm trying to convey here?
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
This. Holy crap, I haven't seen TL this butthurt since that JD vs Flash match a year or two ago... Lighten up a little, people. This ain't the last GSTL, there will be plenty of GSTLs in the future.
How good is prime without MKP? Thanks.
Good enough to beat Startale from a 3-0 deficit. You're welcome
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
This. Holy crap, I haven't seen TL this butthurt since that JD vs Flash match a year or two ago... Lighten up a little, people. This ain't the last GSTL, there will be plenty of GSTLs in the future.
How good is prime without MKP? Thanks.
Good enough to beat Startale from a 3-0 deficit. You're welcome