On April 08 2012 13:36 JiPrime wrote: Anyways, all this talk about how partinG should've won will not change jack shit, that's for certain. There's nothing you can do about it, I'm afraid. A smart person would man up and cheer twice as hard than usual when partinG plays against MKP in the future.
Quit being salty.
Not having LAN is the problem. No ones fault.
And haven't we been whining about this issue to them for 2 years straight? What have we got from out of this?
On April 08 2012 13:13 Havik_ wrote: MKP bonjwa?? HAHAHAAHA!! I guess that makes MVP, NesTea, MC, MMA, Leenock, and DRG bonjwas too then. You can't dominate for a month or 2 and be bonjwa. The Bonjwas stay at their peak elo/winrates for at least a year. If MKP is in the top 3 of everything he enters for the next year or so, maybe you can call him Bonjwa.
MKP has been dominating since GSL season 2, he has 5+ second place finishes in code S/A and numerous tourneys and recently he has 10+ 1st place finishes in numerous tournaments also.
Dominating since Season 2? After his epic fail loss to MMA in the Super tournament he dropped down to Code A and went on a slump for almost 6 months. His micro has always been amazing, but his macro and decision making were always terrible, that's why he always lost. Not until MLG Winter arena has he ever had a significant win.
Also, he did not have "5+" second place finishes. Stop with the hyperbole. He got to season 2 finals, WC finals, Jan Finals, and Code A Finals. That's 4. Not "5+". Not to mention that he got 4-0'd and 4-1'd in two of those finals.
On April 08 2012 13:19 Nethermind wrote: I'm interested in hearing Korean nitizen opinions on this; are they are divided and anti/pro-Prime as foreigners are?
They share same opinions as you guys, but they are much more civil about it. (HINT: They are banning any raging douchebags left and right with speed of light) They're blaming shitty american internet, though. They are saying GSTL should only host in Korean soil from now on.
Lol. Our internet is fine. Their internet isn't any better. Just because it happened in the US first doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in Korea.
Actually South Korea has some of the fastest internet in the world... lol
Not to mention one of the most stable connections in the world.
I have used American ISPs my entire life. It doesn't crash once every other day - as it does in these tournaments - and when it does crash it doesn't crash for one person and not his neighbor, and it's not back up ten minutes later.
This is not an ISP going down issue. This is a tournament organization issue. The avenues these tournaments are using are not outfit for this stuff - that's what internal network issue means.
On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote: MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa
lol no
lol yes?
lol NO
perhaps on the way but not yet obviously.
Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet.
i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all.
really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!"
Now I just see BoxeR in a Santa outfit walking up a snow covered hill.
But lol MKP is the best player in the world at this moment. He's not a bonjwa and he's nowhere close to being one. You need to do what MKP is doing for a year. An entire year. He has at least 10 months to go.
Afaik there was not as many tournaments in Korean BW when bonjwas were still made. Now it's almost impossible to dominate for one entire year, which essentially means win like 20 major events, not 2-3 OSL or something. I just think "bonjwa" doesn't have much sense anymore in SC2. Just forget the word, and accept that MKP is the current world's best player, and in dominating fashion, let's leave it at that. If he does it for one year straight, we'll reinvent a word for it.
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay....
79 probes mining should be sufficient to allow his 15 gates to warp a cycle of units.
And now that all the math (thanks for that, btw.) and logical thinking is done, the other side answers with: "but he had barracks", "but he was not dead", "but he could have had a comeback".
It´s pretty hard to argue about something when everything number wise and everyone who saw that game really saw PartinG winning it. VODs will prove it even more. But I will call it a night now. It´s all over anyway. And I really enjoyed how GOM pumped up the hype and fixed everything. Their intros are so incredibly epic. I had a really great day until this happened!
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo
you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's.
wat
ah of course mkp magically whipped up a few bunkers from the scvs he still has mining minerals in his main base from the 30 minute game with mules to protect his production and of course he has units and bunkers at his 3rd 4th and 5th
Ppl also fail to realise Parting had his Warp Prism IN MKP'S MAIN, there was simply no way to come back.
Yes im a Gold scrub, but im not blind.
Do they let you warp in enough of cheaper units in gold league or something? Parting had 200 mineral
Aww man now u rly got me... because he had 0 income right? oh wait...
edit: as said above Parting had something like 79 Probes.
On April 08 2012 13:34 Zerothegreat wrote: Tweeted by Tyler:
@TylerWasieleski
I'm sitting behind startale. Their coaches are still arguing against it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sad to hear. I'm guessing this could effect a lot of the players mental state going into the games after the call was made.
wait is this an old tweet? or is there arguing going on right now?
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo
you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's.
then ur basicly saying terran structures are overpowerd and/or scv´s
On April 08 2012 13:23 Probasaur wrote: People saying MKP was dead when he had what 15+ barracks with mostly reactors pumping out 30+ units?? You're crazy.
If you think he was dead you clearly have never seen MKP make a comeback by micro-ing his last few units. He would have kited all day in his base inside the maze of barracks and stabilized.
And maybe he wouldn't of and maybe Parting would have won, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE WON.
BUT he didn't. The game was interrupted before it was truly over. If he had 5 barracks left and 0 units then we could say it was over, but it wasn't over. You can't say you could predict the outcome of that back and forth game, it was too close to call. And its not like Parting just crushed MKP the whole time and then it went to DC, it was prolly the closest PvT I've ever watched. Based on just that alone for you to be upset about a regame is ridiculous and you're just being blind fanboys. Be happy you got to see the rematch, although it wasn't half as good. And just be happy you got to watch one of the greatest terrans (arguably the greatest) of all time play more games and hoist the trophy he so clearly deserves.
Dwelling on the negatives are what you sad people do best. So there's really nothing anyone can say that will help you see all the facts. You'll just focus on conjecture, speculation, and your judgement over the GSL referee's.
Dude.... I want to give you a hug and a medal..... <3
This is it, basically. I see so many sad, sad people come here and talk about what a "disgrace" this final was, or how "Blizzard is guilty" when they had nothing to do with it... ( http://twitter.com/#!/dting888/status/188819332145479681 ).
I'll say nothing more because I don't want to get banned, but I'm getting sick of all this nonsensical hate and whine.
@blizzard guilty
- they first blame internet problem, then say it's a hardware problem (two different things, and obviously you can't really say an "internet problem" if it's a hardware problem tbh if you know what you're talking about). BS - if they are connecting to the Local network using LAN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_area_network) cables, then it's really BS (ok sure maybe LAN card maybe malfunctioning, but then it won't reconnect at all and you have to reinstall the LAN card) - if connecting via wireless - why the FUCK would they be doing this?
On April 08 2012 13:23 Probasaur wrote: People saying MKP was dead when he had what 15+ barracks with mostly reactors pumping out 30+ units?? You're crazy.
If you think he was dead you clearly have never seen MKP make a comeback by micro-ing his last few units. He would have kited all day in his base inside the maze of barracks and stabilized.
And maybe he wouldn't of and maybe Parting would have won, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE WON.
BUT he didn't. The game was interrupted before it was truly over. If he had 5 barracks left and 0 units then we could say it was over, but it wasn't over. You can't say you could predict the outcome of that back and forth game, it was too close to call. And its not like Parting just crushed MKP the whole time and then it went to DC, it was prolly the closest PvT I've ever watched. Based on just that alone for you to be upset about a regame is ridiculous and you're just being blind fanboys. Be happy you got to see the rematch, although it wasn't half as good. And just be happy you got to watch one of the greatest terrans (arguably the greatest) of all time play more games and hoist the trophy he so clearly deserves.
Dwelling on the negatives are what you sad people do best. So there's really nothing anyone can say that will help you see all the facts. You'll just focus on conjecture, speculation, and your judgement over the GSL referee's.
Dude.... I want to give you a hug and a medal..... <3
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On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote: MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa
lol no
lol yes?
lol NO
perhaps on the way but not yet obviously.
Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet.
i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all.
really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!"
Now I just see BoxeR in a Santa outfit walking up a snow covered hill.
But lol MKP is the best player in the world at this moment. He's not a bonjwa and he's nowhere close to being one. You need to do what MKP is doing for a year. An entire year. He has at least 10 months to go.
Afaik there was not as many tournaments in Korean BW when bonjwas were still made. Now it's almost impossible to dominate for one entire year, which essentially means win like 20 major events, not 2-3 OSL or something. I just think "bonjwa" doesn't have much sense anymore in SC2. Just forget the word, and accept that MKP is the current world's best player, and in dominating fashion, let's leave it at that. If he does it for one year straight, we'll reinvent a word for it.
On April 08 2012 13:36 JiPrime wrote: Anyways, all this talk about how partinG should've won will not change jack shit, that's for certain. There's nothing you can do about it, I'm afraid. A smart person would man up and cheer twice as hard than usual when partinG plays against MKP in the future.
Quit being salty.
Not having LAN is the problem. No ones fault.
And haven't we been whining about this issue to them for 2 years straight? What have we got from out of this?
You clearly haven't dealt with Blizzard for very long.
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