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On February 08 2012 20:37 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:36 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:35 Iamyournoob wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:26 Drazerk wrote:
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Medivacs are more like nature's attendance than dazzle's heal. More over time than instant also they don't kill everything at the same time oh thanks for the idea ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Force Staff is core on some heroes on some builds, such as Windrunner. Many go for Linken's on Weaver. I'd say Ravens are like Dagon or something, maybe?? No.....wait....guys I got it The Raven is a Mjollnir lol perfect!
You do realize that we are now obliged to get a Mjollnir every game
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On February 08 2012 20:33 Fishgle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:26 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:24 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:23 Drazerk wrote:
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JJakji won the first game giving him the advantage clearly. He had the Dazzle-medivac on his side. Damn that shallow grave Medivacs are more like nature's attendance than dazzle's heal. More over time than instant also they don't kill everything at the same time oh thanks for the idea ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Ravens are Gems, obviously.
stop going on these tangents in LR threads hassybaby and drazerk please, it's getting more and more annoying
if a conversation is only between 2 persons and doesnt amount to anything useful for anyone else, it should be private
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Where dat snitch at?37100 Posts
FINAL MATCH HERE WE GO!!!!
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On February 08 2012 20:34 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:32 Heavenly wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:25 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 08 2012 20:21 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:12 WigglingSquid wrote:Poor GanZi. Just dying to every small early or mid-game timing in this group... On February 08 2012 20:12 mvtaylor wrote:On February 08 2012 20:09 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 08 2012 20:02 Xarles wrote:On February 08 2012 19:45 Mr_Wo_Ot wrote:
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Remember the people who are responding to you are the 2% of the people reading and the other 98% enjoy reading your posts. So please dont let the haters get to you! Morrow hwaiting!
Agreed. Not to mention that he gives proper reasoning towards his opinions as opposed to someone like IdrA. I'll take that over an attention seeking no-name whiner any day. The problem is that pros play their game twelve hours a day, but communicate very little about it with people who are not on their par. They walk in a forum, scribble two sentences without any reasoning or explanation whatsoever and complain when users disrespect their opinion, expecting everyone to merely bow to their experience out of sheer faith. I respect their opinion, and I agree that the TL forums can be a dangerous place for their peace of mind, but even if they don't feel like taking their time to explain they could avoid bashing just by being more subtle with their balance whine. (Nothing exotic. Just add "in the current metagame" to every complaint and no one will be able to tell it off as easily.) I think MorroW very obviously put forward his case as to why a build shouldn't allow you to get ahead both economically and in army. Yes, but he did so after his first post; anyway, I was not talking about MorroW specifically, but of the pros' general attitude. I will take their opinion as almost granted in most cases, but if they go to the length of being arrogant I will be much less adamant about defending them. No he didn't. What the hell man. he explained perfectly well why this strat is imabalanced. Just because you can't grasp this simple concept doesn't mean that he didn't explain it, it just means that you simply don't understand what he's talking about. which is a problem on your end not his. If you don't understand the game, then don't discuss it. sick of noobs complaining about people who "dont explain it well enough" this isn't pre-school dude, if you dont understand it you simply dont know enough about SC2 or RTS games in general. I am not an idiot. I might have missed his true first post, or you might have. Please refrain from jumping on the offense before considering other options. And here it is. You are quite wrong, because this does not explain absolutely anything: just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it Yes, it does? You can take 3 base get an economic advantage and kill the terran at the same time without being "all-in" even if he has bunkers up pretty much is imbalanced. Just like Morrow said. How can you possibly argue that this is balanced? this goes against the very nature of rts games. Terran can do the exact same thing to protoss and zerg lmao. Reactor hellion into third base gives terran a third base before zerg, and quick third command center is also becoming very popular for terrans versus protoss. There was a game, maybe with Puzzle, where super quick third CC held off a four gate. Hellion expand isn't a kill-move though?! And what TvP build lets you push off 2 base while taking an early third with the potential to kill the protoss? I would love to see that build. The concepts are completely different. The terran build in TvZ is a pressure build, not a kill-move and I really don't know what the mysterious TvP build is you are talking about.
Mm, Terran can do 1 rax cc-> cc -> cc (or even No rax -> cc - > rax -> cc on some maps) and that will put them in a very strong position vs 1 gate nex. It's not as drastic as 1 gate -> 3 nex, but it exists.
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On February 08 2012 20:38 Fishgle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:36 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:35 Iamyournoob wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:26 Drazerk wrote:
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Medivacs are more like nature's attendance than dazzle's heal. More over time than instant also they don't kill everything at the same time oh thanks for the idea ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Force Staff is core on some heroes on some builds, such as Windrunner. Many go for Linken's on Weaver. I'd say Ravens are like Dagon or something, maybe?? No.....wait....guys I got it The Raven is a Mjollnir Raven is Ethereal Blade?
Raven is Jooohn Tooohn
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On February 08 2012 20:35 ScareCrow` wrote:
I am really confused why GOM advertises barcrafts and universal support for watching their games everywhere while they're also shutting them down in Korea. o_o
They released a statement saying they don't want them in Korea at the moment as they'd rather people went to the studio as S. Korea isn't huge. They said they're trying to work out some solution specific to Korea that'll keep everyone happy.
Also if you consider GSL is on TV in Korea and online then as a company they don't want fifty or so people watching off one persons paying account, in a similar reason why if you want to show Sky Sports in a bar/pub you have to pay £500 a month for a public license rather than >£50 for a personal one.
Plus the stuff they put out on breaks on the international stream differs from the korean one so...
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On February 08 2012 20:37 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:34 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Heavenly wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:25 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 08 2012 20:21 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:12 WigglingSquid wrote:Poor GanZi. Just dying to every small early or mid-game timing in this group... On February 08 2012 20:12 mvtaylor wrote:On February 08 2012 20:09 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 08 2012 20:02 Xarles wrote:
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Agreed. Not to mention that he gives proper reasoning towards his opinions as opposed to someone like IdrA.
I'll take that over an attention seeking no-name whiner any day. The problem is that pros play their game twelve hours a day, but communicate very little about it with people who are not on their par. They walk in a forum, scribble two sentences without any reasoning or explanation whatsoever and complain when users disrespect their opinion, expecting everyone to merely bow to their experience out of sheer faith. I respect their opinion, and I agree that the TL forums can be a dangerous place for their peace of mind, but even if they don't feel like taking their time to explain they could avoid bashing just by being more subtle with their balance whine. (Nothing exotic. Just add "in the current metagame" to every complaint and no one will be able to tell it off as easily.) I think MorroW very obviously put forward his case as to why a build shouldn't allow you to get ahead both economically and in army. Yes, but he did so after his first post; anyway, I was not talking about MorroW specifically, but of the pros' general attitude. I will take their opinion as almost granted in most cases, but if they go to the length of being arrogant I will be much less adamant about defending them. No he didn't. What the hell man. he explained perfectly well why this strat is imabalanced. Just because you can't grasp this simple concept doesn't mean that he didn't explain it, it just means that you simply don't understand what he's talking about. which is a problem on your end not his. If you don't understand the game, then don't discuss it. sick of noobs complaining about people who "dont explain it well enough" this isn't pre-school dude, if you dont understand it you simply dont know enough about SC2 or RTS games in general. I am not an idiot. I might have missed his true first post, or you might have. Please refrain from jumping on the offense before considering other options. And here it is. You are quite wrong, because this does not explain absolutely anything: just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it Yes, it does? You can take 3 base get an economic advantage and kill the terran at the same time without being "all-in" even if he has bunkers up pretty much is imbalanced. Just like Morrow said. How can you possibly argue that this is balanced? this goes against the very nature of rts games. Terran can do the exact same thing to protoss and zerg lmao. Reactor hellion into third base gives terran a third base before zerg, and quick third command center is also becoming very popular for terrans versus protoss. There was a game, maybe with Puzzle, where super quick third CC held off a four gate. Hellion expand isn't a kill-move though?! And what TvP build lets you push off 2 base while taking an early third with the potential to kill the protoss? I would love to see that build. The concepts are completely different. The terran build in TvZ is a pressure build, not a kill-move and I really don't know what the mysterious TvP build is you are talking about. The mysterious TvP build where you make a quick third command center? Thought that was fairly obvious. Then make many barracks behind it and attack with them (ForGG v MC). You don't get instant reinforcements but you get the fact that marine/marauder slaughters unupgraded gateway units. Hellion expand can kill a zerg even with a quick third, happens time to time. How about the period of time where terrans didn't go the fast third CC, massed hellions, and just threw them at zerg and slaughtered everything? And in the first game Parting didn't pull a kill move off and in fact came very close to losing to a two base timing push from Jjaki who probably hasn't even experimented heavily with the best timing to hit Parting. The build Parting did vs Jjakji (fast third) kills the 3 oribital build even harder... Same with any toss pressure for that matter.
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On February 08 2012 20:38 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:33 Fishgle wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:26 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:24 Hassybaby wrote:
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He had the Dazzle-medivac on his side. Damn that shallow grave Medivacs are more like nature's attendance than dazzle's heal. More over time than instant also they don't kill everything at the same time oh thanks for the idea ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Ravens are Gems, obviously. stop going on these tangents in LR threads hassybaby and drazerk please, it's getting more and more annoying if a conversation is only between 2 persons and doesnt amount to anything useful for anyone else, it should be private
Well...you just linked someone in the conversation hat isn't me or Drazerk....
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Where dat snitch at?37100 Posts
On February 08 2012 20:38 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:33 Fishgle wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:26 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:24 Hassybaby wrote:
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He had the Dazzle-medivac on his side. Damn that shallow grave Medivacs are more like nature's attendance than dazzle's heal. More over time than instant also they don't kill everything at the same time oh thanks for the idea ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Ravens are Gems, obviously. stop going on these tangents in LR threads hassybaby and drazerk please, it's getting more and more annoying if a conversation is only between 2 persons and doesnt amount to anything useful for anyone else, it should be private
2nded.
We made the LR crew in Skype PRECISELY for this reason u know....
EDIT: should throw Zhurai in there
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On February 08 2012 20:38 Fishgle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:36 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:35 Iamyournoob wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:26 Drazerk wrote:
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Medivacs are more like nature's attendance than dazzle's heal. More over time than instant also they don't kill everything at the same time oh thanks for the idea ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Force Staff is core on some heroes on some builds, such as Windrunner. Many go for Linken's on Weaver. I'd say Ravens are like Dagon or something, maybe?? No.....wait....guys I got it The Raven is a Mjollnir Raven is Ethereal Blade?
Ethereal blade has a draw back. Ravens have no drawback
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alright! jjakji vs Parting rematch
come on Parting, please show me again how imba 3 nexus first is, or show me how it is not that actually imba. I believe it would be the former one though
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holy shit it is early......wtf normal its like 12:00 for me when they show the final match
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Who gave Chuck Norris a Hot6ix and told him to just throw it away? Repaircosts thru the roof
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Seems like the president is back :D
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On February 08 2012 20:39 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:38 ramon wrote:On February 08 2012 20:33 Fishgle wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:26 Drazerk wrote:
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Medivacs are more like nature's attendance than dazzle's heal. More over time than instant also they don't kill everything at the same time oh thanks for the idea ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Ravens are Gems, obviously. stop going on these tangents in LR threads hassybaby and drazerk please, it's getting more and more annoying if a conversation is only between 2 persons and doesnt amount to anything useful for anyone else, it should be private Well...you just linked someone in the conversation hat isn't me or Drazerk....
the second part is a bonus, not the reason for the first
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On February 08 2012 20:39 Shock710 wrote:
holy shit it is early......wtf normal its like 12:00 for me when they show the final match
MC played, GSL doesn't take too long then.
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"seemingly unstoppable" didnt he just lose 2-0? lol.
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On February 08 2012 20:39 Solo Terran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:37 Heavenly wrote:On February 08 2012 20:34 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Heavenly wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:25 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 08 2012 20:21 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:12 WigglingSquid wrote:Poor GanZi. Just dying to every small early or mid-game timing in this group... On February 08 2012 20:12 mvtaylor wrote:On February 08 2012 20:09 WigglingSquid wrote:
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The problem is that pros play their game twelve hours a day, but communicate very little about it with people who are not on their par. They walk in a forum, scribble two sentences without any reasoning or explanation whatsoever and complain when users disrespect their opinion, expecting everyone to merely bow to their experience out of sheer faith.
I respect their opinion, and I agree that the TL forums can be a dangerous place for their peace of mind, but even if they don't feel like taking their time to explain they could avoid bashing just by being more subtle with their balance whine. (Nothing exotic. Just add "in the current metagame" to every complaint and no one will be able to tell it off as easily.) I think MorroW very obviously put forward his case as to why a build shouldn't allow you to get ahead both economically and in army. Yes, but he did so after his first post; anyway, I was not talking about MorroW specifically, but of the pros' general attitude. I will take their opinion as almost granted in most cases, but if they go to the length of being arrogant I will be much less adamant about defending them. No he didn't. What the hell man. he explained perfectly well why this strat is imabalanced. Just because you can't grasp this simple concept doesn't mean that he didn't explain it, it just means that you simply don't understand what he's talking about. which is a problem on your end not his. If you don't understand the game, then don't discuss it. sick of noobs complaining about people who "dont explain it well enough" this isn't pre-school dude, if you dont understand it you simply dont know enough about SC2 or RTS games in general. I am not an idiot. I might have missed his true first post, or you might have. Please refrain from jumping on the offense before considering other options. And here it is. You are quite wrong, because this does not explain absolutely anything: just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it Yes, it does? You can take 3 base get an economic advantage and kill the terran at the same time without being "all-in" even if he has bunkers up pretty much is imbalanced. Just like Morrow said. How can you possibly argue that this is balanced? this goes against the very nature of rts games. Terran can do the exact same thing to protoss and zerg lmao. Reactor hellion into third base gives terran a third base before zerg, and quick third command center is also becoming very popular for terrans versus protoss. There was a game, maybe with Puzzle, where super quick third CC held off a four gate. Hellion expand isn't a kill-move though?! And what TvP build lets you push off 2 base while taking an early third with the potential to kill the protoss? I would love to see that build. The concepts are completely different. The terran build in TvZ is a pressure build, not a kill-move and I really don't know what the mysterious TvP build is you are talking about. The mysterious TvP build where you make a quick third command center? Thought that was fairly obvious. Then make many barracks behind it and attack with them (ForGG v MC). You don't get instant reinforcements but you get the fact that marine/marauder slaughters unupgraded gateway units. Hellion expand can kill a zerg even with a quick third, happens time to time. How about the period of time where terrans didn't go the fast third CC, massed hellions, and just threw them at zerg and slaughtered everything? And in the first game Parting didn't pull a kill move off and in fact came very close to losing to a two base timing push from Jjaki who probably hasn't even experimented heavily with the best timing to hit Parting. The build Parting did vs Jjakji (fast third) kills the 3 oribital build even harder... Same with any toss pressure for that matter.
Proof? Also I would love to see a game where instead of teching to medivacs, the terran masses barracks to match the protoss massing gateways, and engages in a place where forcefields wouldnt pick him apart. If Jjaki scouts the third nexus going up, then rallies in mass barracks units, would that not equally kill Parting?
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