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Spain18399 Posts
Hell yeah. MC showing he's still the BOSS toss :D Dominating his Ro16 group :D
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On February 08 2012 20:39 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:38 ramon wrote:On February 08 2012 20:33 Fishgle wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:26 Drazerk wrote:
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Medivacs are more like nature's attendance than dazzle's heal. More over time than instant also they don't kill everything at the same time oh thanks for the idea ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Ravens are Gems, obviously. stop going on these tangents in LR threads hassybaby and drazerk please, it's getting more and more annoying if a conversation is only between 2 persons and doesnt amount to anything useful for anyone else, it should be private 2nded. We made the LR crew in Skype PRECISELY for this reason u know.... EDIT: should throw Zhurai in there
nnn NO ONE SHOULD KNOW MY SKYPEEEE
actually I'll message you it
although at nights I wouldn't be able to talk, and would just type though so... >___>
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On February 08 2012 20:38 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:33 Fishgle wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:26 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:24 Hassybaby wrote:
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He had the Dazzle-medivac on his side. Damn that shallow grave Medivacs are more like nature's attendance than dazzle's heal. More over time than instant also they don't kill everything at the same time oh thanks for the idea ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Ravens are Gems, obviously. stop going on these tangents in LR threads hassybaby and drazerk please, it's getting more and more annoying if a conversation is only between 2 persons and doesnt amount to anything useful for anyone else, it should be private
quoted for truth. my gom player won't work so I'm reading the LR (like many others) because I want... live report
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On February 08 2012 20:39 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:38 Fishgle wrote:On February 08 2012 20:36 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:35 Iamyournoob wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:
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oh thanks for the idea
ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Force Staff is core on some heroes on some builds, such as Windrunner. Many go for Linken's on Weaver. I'd say Ravens are like Dagon or something, maybe?? No.....wait....guys I got it The Raven is a Mjollnir Raven is Ethereal Blade? Ethereal blade has a draw back. Ravens have no drawback
except when it get fedback
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On February 08 2012 20:41 gideel wrote:
parting looks angry
yeah casue he's like "damn i just beat him, damn GSL champ, just wont die!!!"
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On February 08 2012 20:40 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:39 Shock710 wrote:
holy shit it is early......wtf normal its like 12:00 for me when they show the final match MC played, GSL doesn't take too long then.
lol! Yeah! they should schedule some more matches when the president is playing 
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On February 08 2012 20:37 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:34 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Heavenly wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:25 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 08 2012 20:21 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:12 WigglingSquid wrote:Poor GanZi. Just dying to every small early or mid-game timing in this group... On February 08 2012 20:12 mvtaylor wrote:On February 08 2012 20:09 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 08 2012 20:02 Xarles wrote:
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Agreed. Not to mention that he gives proper reasoning towards his opinions as opposed to someone like IdrA.
I'll take that over an attention seeking no-name whiner any day. The problem is that pros play their game twelve hours a day, but communicate very little about it with people who are not on their par. They walk in a forum, scribble two sentences without any reasoning or explanation whatsoever and complain when users disrespect their opinion, expecting everyone to merely bow to their experience out of sheer faith. I respect their opinion, and I agree that the TL forums can be a dangerous place for their peace of mind, but even if they don't feel like taking their time to explain they could avoid bashing just by being more subtle with their balance whine. (Nothing exotic. Just add "in the current metagame" to every complaint and no one will be able to tell it off as easily.) I think MorroW very obviously put forward his case as to why a build shouldn't allow you to get ahead both economically and in army. Yes, but he did so after his first post; anyway, I was not talking about MorroW specifically, but of the pros' general attitude. I will take their opinion as almost granted in most cases, but if they go to the length of being arrogant I will be much less adamant about defending them. No he didn't. What the hell man. he explained perfectly well why this strat is imabalanced. Just because you can't grasp this simple concept doesn't mean that he didn't explain it, it just means that you simply don't understand what he's talking about. which is a problem on your end not his. If you don't understand the game, then don't discuss it. sick of noobs complaining about people who "dont explain it well enough" this isn't pre-school dude, if you dont understand it you simply dont know enough about SC2 or RTS games in general. I am not an idiot. I might have missed his true first post, or you might have. Please refrain from jumping on the offense before considering other options. And here it is. You are quite wrong, because this does not explain absolutely anything: just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it Yes, it does? You can take 3 base get an economic advantage and kill the terran at the same time without being "all-in" even if he has bunkers up pretty much is imbalanced. Just like Morrow said. How can you possibly argue that this is balanced? this goes against the very nature of rts games. Terran can do the exact same thing to protoss and zerg lmao. Reactor hellion into third base gives terran a third base before zerg, and quick third command center is also becoming very popular for terrans versus protoss. There was a game, maybe with Puzzle, where super quick third CC held off a four gate. Hellion expand isn't a kill-move though?! And what TvP build lets you push off 2 base while taking an early third with the potential to kill the protoss? I would love to see that build. The concepts are completely different. The terran build in TvZ is a pressure build, not a kill-move and I really don't know what the mysterious TvP build is you are talking about. The mysterious TvP build where you make a quick third command center? Thought that was fairly obvious. Then make many barracks behind it and attack with them (ForGG v MC). You don't get instant reinforcements but you get the fact that marine/marauder slaughters unupgraded gateway units. Jjaki invested a huge amount into teching to medivacs, ended up getting a whole ONE, and into double engi bay and +1 attack which didn't finish. That's a bit more of an investment than a nexus. Hellion expand can kill a zerg even with a quick third, happens time to time. How about the period of time where terrans didn't go the fast third CC, massed hellions, and just threw them at zerg and slaughtered everything? And in the first game Parting didn't pull a kill move off and in fact came very close to losing to a two base timing push from Jjaki who probably hasn't even experimented heavily with the best timing to hit Parting.
Ok, for starters. This TvP build only works if the protoss doesn't tech to collossi or archons, has no forcefields etc (theres about a million ways to defend this)... without medivacs it's almost suicide to leave your own base vs. Protoss. This worked once for ForGG, he had the element of surprise I'd say, but that's about it.
And hellion expand kills Zergs? yeah sure if they are awful and still don't know how to defend vs. 6 hellion opening. Is it the same concept though? Hell no. And next thing I read -> Straw man. Who cares about 2 base hellion all-ins? That's a completely different concept because it's not even a three base build... what are you trying to say?
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On February 08 2012 20:40 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
Seems like the president is back :D
Running for re-election.
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W00t rematch between these 2. Let the whining commence .
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37100 Posts
On February 08 2012 20:41 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:39 Seeker wrote:On February 08 2012 20:38 ramon wrote:On February 08 2012 20:33 Fishgle wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:27 zhurai wrote:
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oh thanks for the idea
ulti = medivac heal, maxed hp to you and other heroes around you... or drop/blink oO LOL Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Ravens are Gems, obviously. stop going on these tangents in LR threads hassybaby and drazerk please, it's getting more and more annoying if a conversation is only between 2 persons and doesnt amount to anything useful for anyone else, it should be private 2nded. We made the LR crew in Skype PRECISELY for this reason u know.... EDIT: should throw Zhurai in there nnn NO ONE SHOULD KNOW MY SKYPEEEE actually I'll message you it although at nights I wouldn't be able to talk, and would just type though so... >___>
Just PM it to me
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
Game One on Cloud Kingdom
In the bottom left is  Parting
In the top right is  JJakji
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On February 08 2012 20:42 Typhon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:40 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
Seems like the president is back :D Running for re-election.
ran for 1 term
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United States97276 Posts
On February 08 2012 20:42 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:41 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:39 Seeker wrote:On February 08 2012 20:38 ramon wrote:On February 08 2012 20:33 Fishgle wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:31 Hassybaby wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 Drazerk wrote:On February 08 2012 20:30 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 Drazerk wrote:
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Stalkers are anti mages! Hahaha except they are ranged, and antimage is melee ㄱㄱ Queen of pain or do they just buy force staffs? Force staves are the Ravens of Dota. No one buys them, butt hey are heroes if they do Ravens are rapiers or Linkens >.> Ravens are Gems, obviously. stop going on these tangents in LR threads hassybaby and drazerk please, it's getting more and more annoying if a conversation is only between 2 persons and doesnt amount to anything useful for anyone else, it should be private 2nded. We made the LR crew in Skype PRECISELY for this reason u know.... EDIT: should throw Zhurai in there nnn NO ONE SHOULD KNOW MY SKYPEEEE actually I'll message you it although at nights I wouldn't be able to talk, and would just type though so... >___> Just PM it to me
If seeker asks for your credit card info don't do it!!
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So incredibly sad that both of these can't advance. Rooting hard for my boy JJakji.
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ty for cursing jjkaji , artosis, go parting!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37100 Posts
On February 08 2012 20:42 Cereb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:40 clusen wrote:On February 08 2012 20:39 Shock710 wrote:
holy shit it is early......wtf normal its like 12:00 for me when they show the final match MC played, GSL doesn't take too long then. lol! Yeah! they should schedule some more matches when the president is playing
Oh hell no. I already have to wake up every morning at 4 to watch and LR these.
These matches end at 8 on average. Believe me, it is SOOOOO refreshing when I actually get a GSL day that ends around 7:30. Since I got classes and all
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Mc will take this title! For the Sad Zealot!!
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On February 08 2012 20:42 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:37 Heavenly wrote:On February 08 2012 20:34 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:32 Heavenly wrote:On February 08 2012 20:29 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:25 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 08 2012 20:21 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 08 2012 20:12 WigglingSquid wrote:Poor GanZi. Just dying to every small early or mid-game timing in this group... On February 08 2012 20:12 mvtaylor wrote:On February 08 2012 20:09 WigglingSquid wrote:
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The problem is that pros play their game twelve hours a day, but communicate very little about it with people who are not on their par. They walk in a forum, scribble two sentences without any reasoning or explanation whatsoever and complain when users disrespect their opinion, expecting everyone to merely bow to their experience out of sheer faith.
I respect their opinion, and I agree that the TL forums can be a dangerous place for their peace of mind, but even if they don't feel like taking their time to explain they could avoid bashing just by being more subtle with their balance whine. (Nothing exotic. Just add "in the current metagame" to every complaint and no one will be able to tell it off as easily.) I think MorroW very obviously put forward his case as to why a build shouldn't allow you to get ahead both economically and in army. Yes, but he did so after his first post; anyway, I was not talking about MorroW specifically, but of the pros' general attitude. I will take their opinion as almost granted in most cases, but if they go to the length of being arrogant I will be much less adamant about defending them. No he didn't. What the hell man. he explained perfectly well why this strat is imabalanced. Just because you can't grasp this simple concept doesn't mean that he didn't explain it, it just means that you simply don't understand what he's talking about. which is a problem on your end not his. If you don't understand the game, then don't discuss it. sick of noobs complaining about people who "dont explain it well enough" this isn't pre-school dude, if you dont understand it you simply dont know enough about SC2 or RTS games in general. I am not an idiot. I might have missed his true first post, or you might have. Please refrain from jumping on the offense before considering other options. And here it is. You are quite wrong, because this does not explain absolutely anything: just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers
if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say
you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it Yes, it does? You can take 3 base get an economic advantage and kill the terran at the same time without being "all-in" even if he has bunkers up pretty much is imbalanced. Just like Morrow said. How can you possibly argue that this is balanced? this goes against the very nature of rts games. Terran can do the exact same thing to protoss and zerg lmao. Reactor hellion into third base gives terran a third base before zerg, and quick third command center is also becoming very popular for terrans versus protoss. There was a game, maybe with Puzzle, where super quick third CC held off a four gate. Hellion expand isn't a kill-move though?! And what TvP build lets you push off 2 base while taking an early third with the potential to kill the protoss? I would love to see that build. The concepts are completely different. The terran build in TvZ is a pressure build, not a kill-move and I really don't know what the mysterious TvP build is you are talking about. The mysterious TvP build where you make a quick third command center? Thought that was fairly obvious. Then make many barracks behind it and attack with them (ForGG v MC). You don't get instant reinforcements but you get the fact that marine/marauder slaughters unupgraded gateway units. Jjaki invested a huge amount into teching to medivacs, ended up getting a whole ONE, and into double engi bay and +1 attack which didn't finish. That's a bit more of an investment than a nexus. Hellion expand can kill a zerg even with a quick third, happens time to time. How about the period of time where terrans didn't go the fast third CC, massed hellions, and just threw them at zerg and slaughtered everything? And in the first game Parting didn't pull a kill move off and in fact came very close to losing to a two base timing push from Jjaki who probably hasn't even experimented heavily with the best timing to hit Parting. Ok, for starters. This TvP build only works if the protoss doesn't tech to collossi or archons, has no forcefields etc (theres about a million ways to defend this)... without medivacs it's almost suicide to leave your own base vs. Protoss. This worked once for ForGG, he had the element of surprise I'd say, but that's about it. And hellion expand kills Zergs? yeah sure if they are awful and still don't know how to defend vs. 6 hellion opening. Is it the same concept though? Hell no. And next thing I read -> Straw man. Who cares about 2 base hellion all-ins? That's a completely different concept because it's not even a three base build... what are you trying to say?
Arguing with you is pointless, feel free to tell me "I told you so" when protoss is apparently unbeatable with this build in TvP for the next few months. Something makes me doubt it.
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come on jjakji! smash ALL the protoss!
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For the first time this season my predictions are going perfectly. Just need Parting to beat Jjakji.
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