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Seeker

Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts

February 08 2012 11:48 GMT

#2181

On February 08 2012 20:47 Cereb wrote:

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The zealot is apparantly always sad on TL... even when they perform better than Zerg.

The Happy Marine
The Sad Zealot

........

The Neutral Zergling?

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

February 08 2012 11:48 GMT

#2182

Nice drop distraction to force a cancel on the 3rd by Jjakji

bgx

Poland6595 Posts

February 08 2012 11:48 GMT

#2183

On February 08 2012 20:47 Cereb wrote:

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The zealot is apparantly always sad on TL... even when they perform better than Zerg.

because they cannot hold

Medrea

10003 Posts

February 08 2012 11:48 GMT

#2184

Huge opening for terran

Fjodorov

5007 Posts

February 08 2012 11:48 GMT

#2185

On February 08 2012 20:42 ChaosTerran wrote:

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On February 08 2012 20:37 Heavenly wrote:

On February 08 2012 20:34 ChaosTerran wrote:

On February 08 2012 20:32 Heavenly wrote:

On February 08 2012 20:29 ChaosTerran wrote:

On February 08 2012 20:25 WigglingSquid wrote:

On February 08 2012 20:21 ChaosTerran wrote:

On February 08 2012 20:12 WigglingSquid wrote:
Poor GanZi. Just dying to every small early or mid-game timing in this group...

On February 08 2012 20:12 mvtaylor wrote:

On February 08 2012 20:09 WigglingSquid wrote:
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The problem is that pros play their game twelve hours a day, but communicate very little about it with people who are not on their par. They walk in a forum, scribble two sentences without any reasoning or explanation whatsoever and complain when users disrespect their opinion, expecting everyone to merely bow to their experience out of sheer faith.
I respect their opinion, and I agree that the TL forums can be a dangerous place for their peace of mind, but even if they don't feel like taking their time to explain they could avoid bashing just by being more subtle with their balance whine. (Nothing exotic. Just add "in the current metagame" to every complaint and no one will be able to tell it off as easily.)

I think MorroW very obviously put forward his case as to why a build shouldn't allow you to get ahead both economically and in army.

Yes, but he did so after his first post; anyway, I was not talking about MorroW specifically, but of the pros' general attitude.
I will take their opinion as almost granted in most cases, but if they go to the length of being arrogant I will be much less adamant about defending them.

No he didn't. What the hell man. he explained perfectly well why this strat is imabalanced. Just because you can't grasp this simple concept doesn't mean that he didn't explain it, it just means that you simply don't understand what he's talking about. which is a problem on your end not his. If you don't understand the game, then don't discuss it. sick of noobs complaining about people who "dont explain it well enough" this isn't pre-school dude, if you dont understand it you simply dont know enough about SC2 or RTS games in general.

I am not an idiot. I might have missed his true first post, or you might have. Please refrain from jumping on the offense before considering other options.

And here it is. You are quite wrong, because this does not explain absolutely anything:

just look at this, toss takes 3base and can just go and kill terran who sits defensive on 2base and gets bunkers

if you dont see the problem in this and why its abusive and obviously too strong i dont know what to say

you talk about mc doing this best in the world and thats why it only works for him.
well in reality most tosses play like this, vs zerg and terran and most tosses are very successful. thats why they are doing this. and no its not hard to do, its pretty easy in fact to execute.
anyone who understands rts and sc2 on a deep level would agree with me, no evidence is needed to "prove" that this is not that hard to do that only MC in the world can be successful with it

Yes, it does? You can take 3 base get an economic advantage and kill the terran at the same time without being "all-in" even if he has bunkers up pretty much is imbalanced. Just like Morrow said. How can you possibly argue that this is balanced? this goes against the very nature of rts games.

Terran can do the exact same thing to protoss and zerg lmao. Reactor hellion into third base gives terran a third base before zerg, and quick third command center is also becoming very popular for terrans versus protoss. There was a game, maybe with Puzzle, where super quick third CC held off a four gate.

Hellion expand isn't a kill-move though?! And what TvP build lets you push off 2 base while taking an early third with the potential to kill the protoss? I would love to see that build.

The concepts are completely different. The terran build in TvZ is a pressure build, not a kill-move and I really don't know what the mysterious TvP build is you are talking about.

The mysterious TvP build where you make a quick third command center? Thought that was fairly obvious. Then make many barracks behind it and attack with them (ForGG v MC). You don't get instant reinforcements but you get the fact that marine/marauder slaughters unupgraded gateway units. Jjaki invested a huge amount into teching to medivacs, ended up getting a whole ONE, and into double engi bay and +1 attack which didn't finish. That's a bit more of an investment than a nexus.

Hellion expand can kill a zerg even with a quick third, happens time to time. How about the period of time where terrans didn't go the fast third CC, massed hellions, and just threw them at zerg and slaughtered everything? And in the first game Parting didn't pull a kill move off and in fact came very close to losing to a two base timing push from Jjaki who probably hasn't even experimented heavily with the best timing to hit Parting.

Ok, for starters. This TvP build only works if the protoss doesn't tech to collossi or archons, has no forcefields etc (theres about a million ways to defend this)... without medivacs it's almost suicide to leave your own base vs. Protoss. This worked once for ForGG, he had the element of surprise I'd say, but that's about it.

And hellion expand kills Zergs? yeah sure if they are awful and still don't know how to defend vs. 6 hellion opening. Is it the same concept though? Hell no. And next thing I read -> Straw man. Who cares about 2 base hellion all-ins? That's a completely different concept because it's not even a three base build... what are you trying to say?

Against zerg the terran can have 3 cc and still have complete map control with hellions untill mutas are out or some all inish roach build. As zerg its hard enough to keep up on equal bases, but 3 cc? Yeah thats terrans game to lose. Only good thing about it is that it requires alot of apm to macro and keep up with infrastructure with all those mules so it cant be to much abused in lower leagues.

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

February 08 2012 11:49 GMT

#2186

On February 08 2012 20:48 Seeker wrote:

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The Happy Marine
The Sad Zealot

........

The Neutral Zergling?

The Angry Zergling -- Idra

Seeker

Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts

February 08 2012 11:49 GMT

#2187

On February 08 2012 20:48 Seeker wrote:

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The Happy Marine
The Sad Zealot

........

The Neutral Zergling?

Oh wait wait nvm. I already came up with a better on in the past:

The "Creepy" Zergling

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

February 08 2012 11:49 GMT

#2188

On February 08 2012 20:47 Seeker wrote:

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odd? I believe the word you're looking for is FANFUCKINGTASTIC!!!

I sent the same message to three people 10 times a day -.-

Logros

Netherlands9913 Posts

February 08 2012 11:49 GMT

#2189

Partings build is really funky, don't like it.

zhurai

United States5660 Posts

February 08 2012 11:49 GMT

#2190

On February 08 2012 20:48 Seeker wrote:

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The Happy Marine
The Sad Zealot

........

The Neutral Zergling?

I play zerg and terran and going to learn protoss.......

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O_o' uhhhhhh

[mainly terran nowadays though]

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

February 08 2012 11:49 GMT

#2191

On February 08 2012 20:45 Drazerk wrote:

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10:30

Armour +1 for parting finishes while getting archons and more gateways but he forgot charge

2/1 on the way for JJakji along with more barracks

13:00

Armour +2 for Parting now while starting his third along with JJakji who is getting ghosts and medivacs

Seeker

Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts

February 08 2012 11:50 GMT

#2192

NSHS JJAKJI GONNA DO IT!!!

DOOOOO ITTTT!!!!!

LeoLeo

Sweden456 Posts

February 08 2012 11:50 GMT

#2193

This is looking so good for jjakji he is gonna slay this nerd!

Logros

Netherlands9913 Posts

February 08 2012 11:50 GMT

#2194

Still no storm or colossus? :\

andaylin

United States10830 Posts

February 08 2012 11:50 GMT

#2195

I'm going to start incorporating factory micro. i'm probably going to fuck up and FF my own units LOL

keioh

France1099 Posts

February 08 2012 11:50 GMT

#2196

On February 08 2012 20:48 Seeker wrote:

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The Happy Marine
The Sad Zealot

........

The Neutral Zergling?

No, the suicidal baneling. Yeah,it was given with the game.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

February 08 2012 11:51 GMT

#2197

On February 08 2012 20:45 Drazerk wrote:

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13:00

Armour +2 for Parting now while starting his third along with JJakji who is getting ghosts and medivacs

14:30

JJakji emps the sentries forcing a cancel on the third of parting

The third of JJakji is now up

Parting going for a big attack now in response

ETisME

12387 Posts

February 08 2012 11:51 GMT

#2198

jjakji is so good, please win!