EPTMaybe 1/4th of the games played was cheese from Alive, but in a bo7 if you dont cheese at least once it is pretty rare. BW is the same way - there is always some niche build pulled out just to see if they can get a quick win. Alive is better than Idra anyways, so 4:3 or 4:0 I do not see much of a difference.
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ShadezOwnage
184 Posts
Maybe 1/4th of the games played was cheese from Alive, but in a bo7 if you dont cheese at least once it is pretty rare. BW is the same way - there is always some niche build pulled out just to see if they can get a quick win. Alive is better than Idra anyways, so 4:3 or 4:0 I do not see much of a difference. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:24 JJH777 wrote: Lucky beat MMA with 2 6 pools recently. Losira beat Marineking with a 6 pool. I didn't watch the series so I'm not going to say that IdrA thought he was going to win but it definitely isn't a game throwing strategy.. Lucky is a pretty cheesy player, especially when up against MMA. But the occasional 6 pool is not an instant loss, otherwise no one would do it. But it is not a good strategy and should be rarely used yet good pros would never take that option off the table either. | ||
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wanghis
United States320 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:30 JWD wrote: I'm kind of curious to check that VOD/replay to see whether IdrA even bothered to make any other units after his first 6 lings. he made sets of lings afterwards since he didn't pull drones | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:28 templar rage wrote: Tbh, Idra actually fulfilled my expectations when I watch a "showmatch" better than Alive. I watch a showmatch to be entertained, and watching Idra tilt off the last 2 games was way more entertaining than watching Alive's boring-ass play. on top of that casters had pretty easy work as well, idra is a perfect showman | ||
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Beakyboo
United States485 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:24 JJH777 wrote: Lucky beat MMA with 2 6 pools recently. Losira beat Marineking with a 6 pool. I didn't watch the series so I'm not going to say that IdrA thought he was going to win but it definitely isn't a game throwing strategy.. He got about as lucky as he could with it game 3 with no wall up, and Alive still denied it. IdrA certainly knew it wouldn't win in game 4. A 6 pool is essentially a huge risk just for the opportunity to force a single engagement that you can't even guarantee you'll come out on top of. That makes it an extremely poor strategy. To do that once and have it shut down without a wall and then do it again is sending a pretty clear message: he didn't want to play. | ||
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Strivers
United States358 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:24 JJH777 wrote: Lucky beat MMA with 2 6 pools recently. Losira beat Marineking with a 6 pool. I didn't watch the series so I'm not going to say that IdrA thought he was going to win but it definitely isn't a game throwing strategy.. knowing idra's personality, history, and most importantly his macro play style, it would be foolish to believe idra did not throw the last 2 games by 6 pooling TWICE. call a spade a spade. | ||
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DirtyLemons
United States32 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:30 JWD wrote: I'm kind of curious to check that VOD/replay to see whether IdrA even bothered to make any other units after his first 6 lings. I know he made at least two after the initial six, not sure how many after that. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:25 wanghis wrote: Except that he was calling a 9 minute double reactor hellion push cheese and thus comparing it to a 6 pool? Double reactor hellion is not cheese, was not referred to as cheese, and will never be called cheese. It is, however, a semi-all-in play (as was clearly stated before. but apparently not clear enough for you). If it succeeds, you win. If it fails, you pretty much lose. It's not over, but the Zerg needs to really fuck up bad if you want to win. | ||
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rdj107
United States336 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:25 Fionn wrote: But Alive CALLED IT IN THE FOURTH GAME. He knew it was coming. There was a 0% chance that Alive, currently one of the best five Terrans in the entire world, was going to lose to a "sixpoll" when he called it before it even got close to him. Proving that yes, idra is still terrible at reading his opponent while being extremely readable himself. That's not a trait he chooses to have I'm pretty sure. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:22 Jibba wrote: The viability of what aLive did is tenfold higher than 6 pooling. Based on what? We know that Lucky beat MMA with some 6 pools. So it isn't out of the question that a high level Zerg player can beat a high level Terran player with 6 pools. I think you're judging what Idra did based on the results. Do you think Lucky threw those games vs MMA? If not, it is because he won them? | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
So kudos to the casters for handling a bad situation well. | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote: Based on what? We know that Lucky beat MMA with some 6 pools. So it isn't out of the question that a high level Zerg player can beat a high level Terran player with 6 pools. I think you're judging what Idra did based on the results. Do you think Lucky threw those games vs MMA? If not, it is because he won them? have you seen the games? lucky's 6 pools were executed properly, not a move and then leave the game. | ||
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Chop-Chopin
Ukraine12 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:25 Sub40APM wrote: Why? I'd still get to claim that 10,000 people watched a guy I sponsor. Now you can go into the whole philosophical debate of whether anyone actually buys products that SC2 professional players actually sponsor but Idra's responsibly to his sponsors is to get their names out there and he does. A showmatch like that would not improve the sales of anything sponsoring Idra. Long-term interest in Idra is also damaged by shit like this. | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:33 Mr Showtime wrote: Double reactor hellion is not cheese, was not referred to as cheese, and will never be called cheese. It is, however, a semi-all-in play (as was clearly stated before. but apparently not clear enough for you). If it succeeds, you win. If it fails, you pretty much lose. It's not over, but the Zerg needs to really fuck up bad if you want to win. In terms of why people dislike cheese, a double factory hellion all-in is arguably the same thing. Especially since most people have a fairly vague definition of cheese. The point is Alive played 2 semi-bullshit games, and then Idra said fuck it. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:34 DDie wrote: Can we please keep the mindless idra defense routine for his fan club, please? This thread is to discuss what actually happened in the game, which is idra being idra and getting stomped and rolled over. Sure, but only if we keep the mindless Idra bashing out of the thread too. As you said, I am defending Idra, I wouldn't have to if people weren't attacking him. Fact is what happened is Alive cheesed twice, and Idra cheesed twice, and Idra lost. Show match over. | ||
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sharky246
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