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Oh god the EU rebroadcast is on the TL calendar still for 14 hours from now.....this pains me.
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Relax guys Idra just wanted his 100$ faster no point working overtime.
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On February 13 2012 14:42 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:40 Boiler Bandsman wrote:On February 13 2012 14:36 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 13 2012 14:34 DDie wrote:
Can we please keep the mindless idra defense routine for his fan club, please? This thread is to discuss what actually happened in the game, which is idra being idra and getting stomped and rolled over. Sure, but only if we keep the mindless Idra bashing out of the thread too. As you said, I am defending Idra, I wouldn't have to if people weren't attacking him. Fact is what happened is Alive cheesed twice, and Idra cheesed twice, and Idra lost. Show match over. You're equating 2-base hellion to a 6pool vs Terran. Sure, Alive's build was a little cheesy, but 6pooling twice to essentially shit on his commitment to NASL is not the same thing as breaking some ethereal "no-cheese" showmatch gentlemen's code. Showmatch =/= 15-minute no-rush You're splitting hairs. So a show match isn't a 15 minute no rush, and that makes 6 pooling illegal but proxy 2 rax a good strategy? You wouldn't be saying Alive is had a "shit commitment" to the NASL if he showed up and Idra held both his cheeses and it was it a best of three and Alive lost. Nor would you say it if Idra won both of those games with 6 pools.
I never said 6pooling is illegal. And I never said proxy 2-rax was legit, either. Alive cheesed a little, but with viable cheeses that CAN transition into other things. If IdrA 6pooled once against a Terran, I'd have said "lol what an idiot, that'll never work" and been done with it, cause it would have been a dumb strategic move. But doing it the second time, obviously on tilt, made it crystal clear what IdrA was doing: quitting on his professional obligations.
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On February 13 2012 14:46 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:43 wanghis wrote:On February 13 2012 14:42 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 13 2012 14:40 Boiler Bandsman wrote:On February 13 2012 14:36 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 13 2012 14:34 DDie wrote:
Can we please keep the mindless idra defense routine for his fan club, please? This thread is to discuss what actually happened in the game, which is idra being idra and getting stomped and rolled over. Sure, but only if we keep the mindless Idra bashing out of the thread too. As you said, I am defending Idra, I wouldn't have to if people weren't attacking him. Fact is what happened is Alive cheesed twice, and Idra cheesed twice, and Idra lost. Show match over. You're equating 2-base hellion to a 6pool vs Terran. Sure, Alive's build was a little cheesy, but 6pooling twice to essentially shit on his commitment to NASL is not the same thing as breaking some ethereal "no-cheese" showmatch gentlemen's code. Showmatch =/= 15-minute no-rush You're splitting hairs. So a show match isn't a 15 minute no rush, and that makes 6 pooling illegal but proxy 2 rax a good strategy? Yes? because... Alright, I am done with this thread. Saying that 11/11 proxy rax has transitions is like saying the 4 gate has transitions or a 6 pool has transitions. Sure it can transition, but if you do no damage, you transition yourself into a loss, unless the other player messes up royally. Alive went all-in, and he won. He took a huge risk and it paid off. Idra took a huge risk and it didn't pay off.
6pool has transitions vs Protoss FE though
Just saying :p
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On February 13 2012 14:44 wanghis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:41 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 13 2012 14:39 wanghis wrote:On February 13 2012 14:33 Mr Showtime wrote:On February 13 2012 14:25 wanghis wrote:On February 13 2012 14:23 Mr Showtime wrote:On February 13 2012 14:12 bennyaus wrote:On February 13 2012 14:10 Mr Showtime wrote:On February 13 2012 14:00 wanghis wrote:On February 13 2012 13:59 BronzeKnee wrote:
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There is such double standard here it is ridiculous, if I was a mod I would be handing out bans for player bashing. Imagine if this had been a best of three and Alive's first two cheeses failed badly. Would we be all over Alive, accusing him of not caring, throwing the match, not coming to play a macro game ect?
No, so why are we accusing Idra? All this proved is that Alive is a better cheeser than Idra, since all the games were cheese. It was just as much Alive's fault that the games were cheese as it was Idra's. And that is the facts.
Idra did not show up and not want to play, Alive showed up to cheese, and Idra decided to cheese in response. Hate them both (and hate cheese) or hate neither. The double standard is ridiculous.
Except Alive was using legitimate strategies and IdrA was 6 pooling while doing a bad job of it? No, he's kinda right. Double 11 racks is about as cheesy as it gets for Terran. The only way to make it even more cheesy would be if he pulled all his SCVs at some point. Think of it this way, swap games 3&4 with games 1&2. IdrA 6pools in game one: Oh well. Sucks it didn't work. Sick sick defense by alive. 6pool in game 2: Tried to fool alive by doing the same build. Scouted and failed. Game 3: Hatch first. Lose to cheese. Game 4: Hatch first. Lose to semi-all-in. I'm not going to pretend that the 6pools weren't a result of IdrA being on tilt. They likely were (maybe not the crossfire game, but Dual Sight almost certainly). However, my point is that I kinda agree with BronzeKnee. There is a double standard here. Hey guys, Let's construe the truth in such a manner so that IdrA seems like less of a bad guy. Signed, Irrational fans. Stop comparing 2base double reactor hellion with 6pool, and even 11/11 can't be compared with 6pool. 11/11 at least has a history of working and makes it a decent choice in a BoX series. Nobody is comparing a 6pool to a double reactor hellion. Hey guys, Let's read so far into a post that we can start making shit up. Signed, The Angry Ignoramus Oh look.... I can do that too. Except that he was calling a 9 minute double reactor hellion push cheese and thus comparing it to a 6 pool? Double reactor hellion is not cheese, was not referred to as cheese, and will never be called cheese. It is, however, a semi-all-in play (as was clearly stated before. but apparently not clear enough for you). If it succeeds, you win. If it fails, you pretty much lose. It's not over, but the Zerg needs to really fuck up bad if you want to win. I am not referring to your post in which you referred to it as a semi-all in ish thing, but rather to posters who believe it is so such as On February 13 2012 13:59 BronzeKnee wrote:
There is such double standard here it is ridiculous, if I was a mod I would be handing out bans for player bashing. Imagine if this had been a best of three and Alive's first two cheeses failed badly. Would we be all over Alive, accusing him of not caring, throwing the match, not coming to play a macro game ect?
or others in the thread such as On February 13 2012 13:59 Megabuster123 wrote:
So Idra basically got cheesed twice and then said fuck it. Realistically he would've probably been cheesed out the last two games anyway...
which basically show either these people did not watch the second game, or are under the impression that a 9 minute push is all in How is double reactor factory not all-in...>_> He has nothing but hellions 10 minutes into the game, if that push fails he just loses. It's all dependent on Idra fucking up and not scouting it....Which he did because he's an idiot. I'm not saying it's not all in. I'm saying despite what people claim it is not cheese
you DID indeed say it wasn't an all-in.
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On February 13 2012 14:41 bLuR wrote:
Here's what happened. Idra gets allin'ed first game. Frustrating. Allin'ed second game, now he's in DGAF mode, said ok u wanna be gay then ill be gay. 6pools 2 games in a row that he KNOWS he's not gonna win. Just did it as a fuck u to aLive to show him he really doesn't GAF about 400$ cause he already makes more money then he ever should. But we all already knew this was IdrA's attitude. Still embarrassing and sad but that's standard idra, and thats why he gets viewers.
Alive knows Idra is bad at defending all-ins. Idra's only real strength at the moment is getting to a long macro game. If he gets attacked during the early or mid game, Idra usually gets rolled over. So Alive went for it and succeeded, crushing Idra in two games and making him heavily tilt in the final two.
I don't think Idra should be banned or anything, but it's just another embarrassing outing from him. Again, if this was, I dunno, TLO who did this, then yes, it is a one time thing and maybe he was just having a bad day. This is Idra. If someone had shown you these four games without showing you who is playing who, everyone would go, 'Oh, that's Idra playing.'
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On February 13 2012 14:47 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:41 bLuR wrote:
Here's what happened. Idra gets allin'ed first game. Frustrating. Allin'ed second game, now he's in DGAF mode, said ok u wanna be gay then ill be gay. 6pools 2 games in a row that he KNOWS he's not gonna win. Just did it as a fuck u to aLive to show him he really doesn't GAF about 400$ cause he already makes more money then he ever should. But we all already knew this was IdrA's attitude. Still embarrassing and sad but that's standard idra, and thats why he gets viewers. Alive knows Idra is bad at defending all-ins. Idra's only real strength at the moment is getting to a long macro game. If he gets attacked during the early or mid game, Idra usually gets rolled over. So Alive went for it and succeeded, crushing Idra in two games and making him heavily tilt in the final two. I don't think Idra should be banned or anything, but it's just another embarrassing outing from him. Again, if this was, I dunno, TLO who did this, then yes, it is a one time thing and maybe he was just having a bad day. This is Idra. If someone had shown you these four games without showing you who is playing who, everyone would go, 'Oh, that's Idra playing.'
idra has a strong mid-game actually.
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Oh man, I'm so glad I stopped being an idrA fan. All the disappointment has washed away...
Grats to alive I guess
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On February 13 2012 14:47 Fionn wrote:
If someone had shown you these four games without showing you who is playing who, everyone would go, 'Oh, that's Idra playing.'
so true T_T
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It's hilarious that drama follows Idra wherever he goes!
Still, disappointed as an Idra in top-form is certainly very exciting!
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On February 13 2012 14:48 89andy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:47 Fionn wrote:On February 13 2012 14:41 bLuR wrote:
Here's what happened. Idra gets allin'ed first game. Frustrating. Allin'ed second game, now he's in DGAF mode, said ok u wanna be gay then ill be gay. 6pools 2 games in a row that he KNOWS he's not gonna win. Just did it as a fuck u to aLive to show him he really doesn't GAF about 400$ cause he already makes more money then he ever should. But we all already knew this was IdrA's attitude. Still embarrassing and sad but that's standard idra, and thats why he gets viewers. Alive knows Idra is bad at defending all-ins. Idra's only real strength at the moment is getting to a long macro game. If he gets attacked during the early or mid game, Idra usually gets rolled over. So Alive went for it and succeeded, crushing Idra in two games and making him heavily tilt in the final two. I don't think Idra should be banned or anything, but it's just another embarrassing outing from him. Again, if this was, I dunno, TLO who did this, then yes, it is a one time thing and maybe he was just having a bad day. This is Idra. If someone had shown you these four games without showing you who is playing who, everyone would go, 'Oh, that's Idra playing.' idra has a strong mid-game actually.
Ehhhhh, but Idra really excels in the late game. He sucks early game, so why not exploit it? $400 is a lot of money for one best-of-seven. That's food for a month or two for Alive.
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On February 13 2012 14:47 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:41 bLuR wrote:
Here's what happened. Idra gets allin'ed first game. Frustrating. Allin'ed second game, now he's in DGAF mode, said ok u wanna be gay then ill be gay. 6pools 2 games in a row that he KNOWS he's not gonna win. Just did it as a fuck u to aLive to show him he really doesn't GAF about 400$ cause he already makes more money then he ever should. But we all already knew this was IdrA's attitude. Still embarrassing and sad but that's standard idra, and thats why he gets viewers. Alive knows Idra is bad at defending all-ins. Idra's only real strength at the moment is getting to a long macro game. If he gets attacked during the early or mid game, Idra usually gets rolled over. So Alive went for it and succeeded, crushing Idra in two games and making him heavily tilt in the final two. I don't think Idra should be banned or anything, but it's just another embarrassing outing from him. Again, if this was, I dunno, TLO who did this, then yes, it is a one time thing and maybe he was just having a bad day. This is Idra. If someone had shown you these four games without showing you who is playing who, everyone would go, 'Oh, that's Idra playing.'
I agree with you........... i was just saying how I think IdrA was thinking.
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On February 13 2012 14:49 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:47 Fionn wrote:
If someone had shown you these four games without showing you who is playing who, everyone would go, 'Oh, that's Idra playing.' so true T_T
This would be a fun game. I think people wouldn't be able to recognize who is who.
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On February 13 2012 14:50 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:48 89andy wrote:On February 13 2012 14:47 Fionn wrote:On February 13 2012 14:41 bLuR wrote:
Here's what happened. Idra gets allin'ed first game. Frustrating. Allin'ed second game, now he's in DGAF mode, said ok u wanna be gay then ill be gay. 6pools 2 games in a row that he KNOWS he's not gonna win. Just did it as a fuck u to aLive to show him he really doesn't GAF about 400$ cause he already makes more money then he ever should. But we all already knew this was IdrA's attitude. Still embarrassing and sad but that's standard idra, and thats why he gets viewers. Alive knows Idra is bad at defending all-ins. Idra's only real strength at the moment is getting to a long macro game. If he gets attacked during the early or mid game, Idra usually gets rolled over. So Alive went for it and succeeded, crushing Idra in two games and making him heavily tilt in the final two. I don't think Idra should be banned or anything, but it's just another embarrassing outing from him. Again, if this was, I dunno, TLO who did this, then yes, it is a one time thing and maybe he was just having a bad day. This is Idra. If someone had shown you these four games without showing you who is playing who, everyone would go, 'Oh, that's Idra playing.' idra has a strong mid-game actually. Ehhhhh, but Idra really excels in the late game. He sucks early game, so why not exploit it? $400 is a lot of money for one best-of-seven. That's food for a month or two for Alive.
well, he has great muta control and is usually on top of things during lair tech (mid game), i'd argue that it's easily way better than his hive tech (late game)
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On February 13 2012 14:50 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:49 Waxangel wrote:On February 13 2012 14:47 Fionn wrote:
If someone had shown you these four games without showing you who is playing who, everyone would go, 'Oh, that's Idra playing.' so true T_T This would be a fun game. I think people wouldn't be able to recognize who is who.
Would we be allowed to see what the players say?
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On February 13 2012 14:51 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:50 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 13 2012 14:49 Waxangel wrote:On February 13 2012 14:47 Fionn wrote:
If someone had shown you these four games without showing you who is playing who, everyone would go, 'Oh, that's Idra playing.' so true T_T This would be a fun game. I think people wouldn't be able to recognize who is who. Would we be allowed to see what the players say?
What they don't say would probably be more useful 
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On February 13 2012 14:47 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:46 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 13 2012 14:43 wanghis wrote:On February 13 2012 14:42 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 13 2012 14:40 Boiler Bandsman wrote:On February 13 2012 14:36 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 13 2012 14:34 DDie wrote:
Can we please keep the mindless idra defense routine for his fan club, please? This thread is to discuss what actually happened in the game, which is idra being idra and getting stomped and rolled over. Sure, but only if we keep the mindless Idra bashing out of the thread too. As you said, I am defending Idra, I wouldn't have to if people weren't attacking him. Fact is what happened is Alive cheesed twice, and Idra cheesed twice, and Idra lost. Show match over. You're equating 2-base hellion to a 6pool vs Terran. Sure, Alive's build was a little cheesy, but 6pooling twice to essentially shit on his commitment to NASL is not the same thing as breaking some ethereal "no-cheese" showmatch gentlemen's code. Showmatch =/= 15-minute no-rush You're splitting hairs. So a show match isn't a 15 minute no rush, and that makes 6 pooling illegal but proxy 2 rax a good strategy? Yes? because... Alright, I am done with this thread. Saying that 11/11 proxy rax has transitions is like saying the 4 gate has transitions or a 6 pool has transitions. Sure it can transition, but if you do no damage, you transition yourself into a loss, unless the other player messes up royally. Alive went all-in, and he won. He took a huge risk and it paid off. Idra took a huge risk and it didn't pay off. 6pool has transitions vs Protoss FE though Just saying :p
Yeah, bad transitions as I said.
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On February 13 2012 14:50 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:49 Waxangel wrote:On February 13 2012 14:47 Fionn wrote:
If someone had shown you these four games without showing you who is playing who, everyone would go, 'Oh, that's Idra playing.' so true T_T This would be a fun game. I think people wouldn't be able to recognize who is who.
Has 90 drones at 9 minutes? Ret!
1/1/1? Puma!
Zerg 2base all-in vs Protoss FE? Leenock!
Weird Protoss Strategy that should never work but does? Kiwikaki!
Hilarious in-game manner chat? WhiteRa!
Early gg, no gg? Idra!
See that wasn't so hard XD
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On February 13 2012 14:46 LuckyFool wrote:
Oh god the EU rebroadcast is on the TL calendar still for 14 hours from now.....this pains me.
hahahahahaha the thought of this thread reviving itself all over again is hilarious
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On February 13 2012 14:54 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:47 lichter wrote:On February 13 2012 14:46 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 13 2012 14:43 wanghis wrote:On February 13 2012 14:42 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 13 2012 14:40 Boiler Bandsman wrote:On February 13 2012 14:36 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 13 2012 14:34 DDie wrote:
Can we please keep the mindless idra defense routine for his fan club, please? This thread is to discuss what actually happened in the game, which is idra being idra and getting stomped and rolled over. Sure, but only if we keep the mindless Idra bashing out of the thread too. As you said, I am defending Idra, I wouldn't have to if people weren't attacking him. Fact is what happened is Alive cheesed twice, and Idra cheesed twice, and Idra lost. Show match over. You're equating 2-base hellion to a 6pool vs Terran. Sure, Alive's build was a little cheesy, but 6pooling twice to essentially shit on his commitment to NASL is not the same thing as breaking some ethereal "no-cheese" showmatch gentlemen's code. Showmatch =/= 15-minute no-rush You're splitting hairs. So a show match isn't a 15 minute no rush, and that makes 6 pooling illegal but proxy 2 rax a good strategy? Yes? because... Alright, I am done with this thread. Saying that 11/11 proxy rax has transitions is like saying the 4 gate has transitions or a 6 pool has transitions. Sure it can transition, but if you do no damage, you transition yourself into a loss, unless the other player messes up royally. Alive went all-in, and he won. He took a huge risk and it paid off. Idra took a huge risk and it didn't pay off. 6pool has transitions vs Protoss FE though Just saying :p Yeah, bad transitions as I said.
It worked really well twice earlier in Losira vs Parting and Nestea vs Parting
Anyway just wanted to butt into the argument, I honestly don't care :p
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