EPT[NASL] Sunday Showdown - IdrA vs Alive - Page 71
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Sumahi
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On February 15 2012 14:14 SC2NeCro wrote: That's all it comes down to. I won't let anyone tell me otherwise. IdrA is a hate magnet because people are narrow minded and can't see the bigger picture. aLive completely went against the unspoken rule of a show match and did crappy cheese/all-ins, which was in no way entertaining, but because it was done against IdrA and he won, it was swiftly swept under the rug and nobody really noticed. Then IdrA goes ahead and does the same thing and an outrage comes out of it, which is quite stupid, no matter how much you think he 'gave up' it's completely irrelevant. What is relevant is the entertainment factor of the show match, and neither player wanted to actually honor that, but only one of them gets the flame. It's absolutely disgusting and saddening that the community is like this. Those early pushes almost always aren't meant to end the game, it just happened that way because Idra played builds that were weak to the early pressure. In the GSL you see this all the time, terrans do 11/11 rax and DON'T win instantly, then a macro game develops, because a there's a competent zerg defending. The fact that people tend to bash "all-ins" so hard (term completely overused btw), shows how little they appreciate the metagame and skill that it takes to properly execute correct early pressure, not only dealing damage but allowing a better transition into the midgame. That's basic strategy, I really don't understand why people expect terran/protoss players to let zerg hatch first into quick third without any response at all, for the sake of a "macro game". Macro games in BW aren't like this at all, they have TONS of early pressure which has varying degrees of consequence into the later stages of the game depending on how much damage they can deal. It's different from what Idra did, he might as well have drone rushed. There's a huge gaping hole of a difference between Idra's 6-pool and the one Lucky used to beat MMA. When yo do a proper 6-pools you block wall-ins, you micro properly, you don't just a-move then F10+N, which is pretty much what Idra did because he was angry. There's no such thing as NR20 on showmatches that's just crazy. I bet if they held a showmatch between aLive and DRG/NesTea, aLive would do the exact same thing and zerg would defend properly and give a fun showing. Idra's showmatches are just terrible to watch, he only gets invited because he draws his viewers. It's business I guess. | ||
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SC2NeCro
Canada507 Posts
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HolyArrow
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On February 15 2012 14:14 SC2NeCro wrote: That's all it comes down to. I won't let anyone tell me otherwise. IdrA is a hate magnet because people are narrow minded and can't see the bigger picture. aLive completely went against the unspoken rule of a show match and did crappy cheese/all-ins, which was in no way entertaining, but because it was done against IdrA and he won, it was swiftly swept under the rug and nobody really noticed. Then IdrA goes ahead and does the same thing and an outrage comes out of it, which is quite stupid, no matter how much you think he 'gave up' it's completely irrelevant. What is relevant is the entertainment factor of the show match, and neither player wanted to actually honor that, but only one of them gets the flame. It's absolutely disgusting and saddening that the community is like this. WHat is more exciting than a pro-level zerg making a sick stand against a bunker rush and then a macro game developing? That shit is as suspensful as anything. Mkes the early game fun to watch. | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
Yes people, according to idra fans, this was actually equal as much Alives fault and he did not give a rats ass about the fans yada yada yada. "I'm pretty saddened by the fact that people can't see the bigger picture. Sure IdrA ruined it for people, that's apparent. But what is not apparent, apparently, is that aLive didn't ruin anything - judged by the amount of(or lack of) flack he got. Bottom line is, they both did their best to dishonor the point of a show match which is to entertain the audience, yet only one of them gets heat. It's aLive's fault as well for being a complete asshole and all-ining just because he's too insecure to play IdrA straight up, to have that higher chance at the money. But that's not what a show match is about. aLive clearly proved with his play that he does not care a whit about the funs. Had IdrA played the last 2 games straight up in his macro style instead of 6 pooling, he would have simply been all-inned or cheesed again and again, and nobody would protest against aLive. It's disgusting. I hate it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------" | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On February 15 2012 14:56 stratmatt wrote: WHat is more exciting than a pro-level zerg making a sick stand against a bunker rush and then a macro game developing? That shit is as suspensful as anything. Mkes the early game fun to watch. I would rather see 10 minutes of good back and forth than wait around for 10 minutes for 5 minutes of endgame engagements. You should always earn a macro game, regardless of the circumstances. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
What was he supposod to do when he attacks? Retreat if he's going to win? Purposely suicide his units do that the game goes on longer?....face it, against a better Zerg games 1 and 2 would have turned into longer games, but idrA had terrible defenses each time | ||
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TrippSC2
United States209 Posts
On February 15 2012 13:07 Energizer wrote:"Showmatches are only about the fans and the money, and I dont care for either." That quote isn't accurate. "Showmatches are only about the fans and the money, and I don't care that much about it." is what he said. You can take that to mean, whatever you want, but I took it to mean that he doesn't consider it a valid form of competition, which is what he said earlier. Regardless, I consider this to be the same thing as the Naniwa incident and with Alex Garfield being so outspoken about it, he needs to be punished by EG. It's a complete and total public contradiction if this is swept under the rug by EG, which is what seems like is happening. I lost a lot of respect for Alex if this is the case. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
Regardless, I consider this to be the same thing as the Naniwa incident and with Alex Garfield being so outspoken about it, he needs to be punished by EG. It's a complete and total public contradiction if this is swept under the rug by EG, which is what seems like is happening. I lost a lot of respect for Alex if this is the case. Yep you learn a lot about who people really are in situations like these. | ||
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zomgE
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Biggun69
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On February 15 2012 22:21 1Eris1 wrote: Alive ruined it? Give me a break What was he supposod to do when he attacks? Retreat if he's going to win? Purposely suicide his units do that the game goes on longer?....face it, against a better Zerg games 1 and 2 would have turned into longer games, but idrA had terrible defenses each time It's not so much about being a "better zerg". The two builds that alive did are very difficult to hold and deadly if unscouted. First game IdrA's drone was a few seconds early otherwise it would have seen the second baracks float down to the low ground. If he would have scouted that barraks then he would have a very high chance of holding it. Second game, again, was a similar situation. If idra had scouted the mass hellions that alive was building he could have walled off his front and/or got roaches out in time. If you don't see a terran making that many hellions than its basically impossible to stop it with just a few lings. Alive did very well to hide his extra hellions so it was very difficult for idra to see the extra hellions. To conclude, there are a lot of random allins / extremely strong builds that terran can do in the early game and if the zerg doesnt scout it than its very unlikely they will win unless they get lucky. I dont know what race you play but if you play zerg for a while at a decent level you will realise that losing to these kind of "silly" things gets very frustrating - some people deal with this better than others. You have to be very calm as a zerg player, so many things can make you rage. I'm not trying to justify idras actions or say what he did was ok - its not. But I just wanted to give you a bit of a zerg perspective because I think its a bit misinformed to say "a better zerg can hold it" when its really just down to scouting and sometimes a lot of luck. | ||
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human_ko
Russian Federation676 Posts
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Ruscour
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On February 19 2012 20:49 Ruscour wrote: You cannot blame Alex, Cody or EG for this. You don't know what's gone on behind the scenes. When IdrA forfeited the semi finals of a TL Open, Alex intervened. We don't know if any action has been taken, but you can't assume that this has been swept under the rug when there's no evidence either way. Yep Alex only writes monster blogs when players not under his banner throw games and embarrass their teams. ^__^ | ||
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