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On February 14 2012 18:59 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 18:38 Hubble wrote:
Showmatches should be about the show, not about making money in 20 mins :/ Not for IdrA apparently. Maybe he felt this was bad practice against aLive and wanted to end it quickly? If that's the case then why did he lose 0-4, obviously aLive is superior to him since also IdrA is like Code B and aLive is Code S. If I were IdrA as a Code B player get a chance to play a Code S player I would had given it all till the very end.
IdrA doesnt need to play showmatches to practice. wtf lol. He is practicing in the SlayerS house all day every day. IdrA got cheesed / beaten by a few silly gimmicky builds and then raged.
In my opinion he has easily enough talent and skill to wipe the floor with alive but until his mental attitude changes I dont know if this will ever heppen.
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On February 14 2012 19:47 Biggun69 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 18:59 eYeball wrote:On February 14 2012 18:38 Hubble wrote:
Showmatches should be about the show, not about making money in 20 mins :/ Not for IdrA apparently. Maybe he felt this was bad practice against aLive and wanted to end it quickly? If that's the case then why did he lose 0-4, obviously aLive is superior to him since also IdrA is like Code B and aLive is Code S. If I were IdrA as a Code B player get a chance to play a Code S player I would had given it all till the very end. IdrA doesnt need to play showmatches to practice. wtf lol. He is practicing in the SlayerS house all day every day. IdrA got cheesed / beaten by a few silly gimmicky builds and then raged. In my opinion he has easily enough talent and skill to wipe the floor with alive but until his mental attitude changes I dont know if this will ever heppen.
He really doesn't have the skill and talent to wipe the floor with aLive, aLive is looking to be one of the best terrans in the world right now, with a decent chance of winning Code S this year.
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On February 14 2012 19:47 Biggun69 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 18:59 eYeball wrote:On February 14 2012 18:38 Hubble wrote:
Showmatches should be about the show, not about making money in 20 mins :/ Not for IdrA apparently. Maybe he felt this was bad practice against aLive and wanted to end it quickly? If that's the case then why did he lose 0-4, obviously aLive is superior to him since also IdrA is like Code B and aLive is Code S. If I were IdrA as a Code B player get a chance to play a Code S player I would had given it all till the very end. IdrA doesnt need to play showmatches to practice. wtf lol. He is practicing in the SlayerS house all day every day. IdrA got cheesed / beaten by a few silly gimmicky builds and then raged. In my opinion he has easily enough talent and skill to wipe the floor with alive but until his mental attitude changes I dont know if this will ever heppen.
your mental attitude is part of your talent. if it was a one off thing were he played one tournament badly, the you could say that, but hes 1-18 in all tournaments this year. and i don't think he even did that well at the end of last year
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On February 14 2012 21:14 Flanq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:47 Biggun69 wrote:On February 14 2012 18:59 eYeball wrote:On February 14 2012 18:38 Hubble wrote:
Showmatches should be about the show, not about making money in 20 mins :/ Not for IdrA apparently. Maybe he felt this was bad practice against aLive and wanted to end it quickly? If that's the case then why did he lose 0-4, obviously aLive is superior to him since also IdrA is like Code B and aLive is Code S. If I were IdrA as a Code B player get a chance to play a Code S player I would had given it all till the very end. IdrA doesnt need to play showmatches to practice. wtf lol. He is practicing in the SlayerS house all day every day. IdrA got cheesed / beaten by a few silly gimmicky builds and then raged. In my opinion he has easily enough talent and skill to wipe the floor with alive but until his mental attitude changes I dont know if this will ever heppen. He really doesn't have the skill and talent to wipe the floor with aLive, aLive is looking to be one of the best terrans in the world right now, with a decent chance of winning Code S this year.
Alive's a pretty generic terran, nothing special . . .
His TvT looks really solid though.
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On February 14 2012 21:39 Biggun69 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 21:14 Flanq wrote:On February 14 2012 19:47 Biggun69 wrote:On February 14 2012 18:59 eYeball wrote:On February 14 2012 18:38 Hubble wrote:
Showmatches should be about the show, not about making money in 20 mins :/ Not for IdrA apparently. Maybe he felt this was bad practice against aLive and wanted to end it quickly? If that's the case then why did he lose 0-4, obviously aLive is superior to him since also IdrA is like Code B and aLive is Code S. If I were IdrA as a Code B player get a chance to play a Code S player I would had given it all till the very end. IdrA doesnt need to play showmatches to practice. wtf lol. He is practicing in the SlayerS house all day every day. IdrA got cheesed / beaten by a few silly gimmicky builds and then raged. In my opinion he has easily enough talent and skill to wipe the floor with alive but until his mental attitude changes I dont know if this will ever heppen. He really doesn't have the skill and talent to wipe the floor with aLive, aLive is looking to be one of the best terrans in the world right now, with a decent chance of winning Code S this year. Alive's a pretty generic terran, nothing special . . . His TvT looks really solid though.
Bitter fanboy spotted.
In all seriousness idra needs to grow up and not give up games
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On February 14 2012 19:09 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:08 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors. Tiny? He's being shit all over on reddit, here, twitter, Incontrol said (more than once) his actions were disgraceful, Xeris punished him, nobody but his fanboys have defended him and yet... it's "tiny"? Are you people delusional? You weren't here when Naniwa and Stephano got really shitted on? You mean the 3 line response of Xeris in a 5 post topic that was closed is an official statement? And reddit thread got deleted.
What Stephano did was douchier, and the Naniwa thing was a bigger deal because the GSL stage is far more prestigious and warrants higher standards of professional conduct than an NASL showmatch. There really isn't much to discuss here. Idra acted like a douchebag, gave up and threw 2 games, and completely went against the sentiments of a showmatch.
Who cares? It's an unimportant showmatch, and until Idra starts showing results again the "I don't give a fuck about anything" attitude is going to keep looking comical rather than badass like it was when he was winning...
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Did I miss the post where Idra comes into this thread and says SCII is a shit game and he doesn't give a damn about it?
I don't know why anyone would defend him.
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6 pool on crossfire is probably a good build, that map is garbage for zerg
also not a lot you can do when you are facing 15 hellions which on a map that size is really hard to scout for, and you can over prepare for it and be behind if it doesn't come, didnt see the first game so can't comment, but only a few zergs in the world would of handled those games better, alive was smart and metagamed him hard and new he could tilt him with 15 hellions and his 6 poll defense was pretty sick on crossfire
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This entire thing makes me miss the days of cs 1.6. A player on a pro 1.6 team would never be able to pull this stunt without serious consequences up to and including being cut immediately from the team. If a cs player were to do this, his 4 other teammates simply would not stand for it, however, seing as sc2 is a 1v1 game, players get away with a lot more in terms of ingame conduct. The 1.6 scene, despite its shortcomings, was much more profesional in terms of ingame behavior and team management. Ill say it again, I think Idra is seriously jeopardizing his place on EG and if he were a 1.6 player, he would have been cut months ago.
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On February 14 2012 19:47 Biggun69 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 18:59 eYeball wrote:On February 14 2012 18:38 Hubble wrote:
Showmatches should be about the show, not about making money in 20 mins :/ Not for IdrA apparently. Maybe he felt this was bad practice against aLive and wanted to end it quickly? If that's the case then why did he lose 0-4, obviously aLive is superior to him since also IdrA is like Code B and aLive is Code S. If I were IdrA as a Code B player get a chance to play a Code S player I would had given it all till the very end. IdrA doesnt need to play showmatches to practice. wtf lol. He is practicing in the SlayerS house all day every day. IdrA got cheesed / beaten by a few silly gimmicky builds and then raged. In my opinion he has easily enough talent and skill to wipe the floor with alive but until his mental attitude changes I dont know if this will ever heppen.
Didn't HuK and/or IdrA said they didn't get a lot of practice in the SlayerS house? They mostly laddered and stuff like that, I remember at least Cella didn't gave them any coaching. And regarding if they had learned something new HuK said just "don't let anyone use your computer". I don't think they get so much practice from the SlayerS house, in that case IdrA wouldnt had lost so badly like he did imho. Well, in that case if he didn't play him for practice and just for showmatch why do you six pool twice lol -_-
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On February 14 2012 22:22 mememolly wrote:
6 pool on crossfire is probably a good build, that map is garbage for zerg
It was loser-picks map selection, so Idra picked Crossfire himself despite it not being a good Z map.
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Perhaps I'm confused and someone will surely correct me, but doesn't this bring up the issue that was discussed during Naniwa's incident about what is a "real" build and what is throwing the game?
Xeris forfeits Idra's $100 for 6 pooling twice, in his mind throwing the games.
However, Lucky just beat MMA with six pools in a bo3 on what is a larger stage in the MLG qualifiers.
I guess it's just on a case-by-case basis with the judgment of the tournament organizers to establish what is "cheese" and what is throwing the game?
Seems odd.
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Despite the way I feel about these situations and Idra's behaviour in general, I actually don't think denying money to people who legitimately won it (Stephano, Idra) is a good practice and it shouldn't become a habit for organizers.
Prize money payout should never be conditioned by someone's personal judgement of how well a player did or how much effort he put in. It opens up a path to a lot of grey area cases where organizers might feel entitled to decide whether a player deserves the prize money they legitimately won.
Organizers should consider whom they invite and why before deciding on the players. Once the players start the match, prize money distribution should be set in stone no matter the outcome.
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Yeah, yr right, lucky BEAT mma because he was trying to. Idra was not trying to becuz he was crying about a bunker rush that happened in game 1. A bunker rush that any decent zerg should be able to hold/come back from. 11/11 rax is not a very good economic build.
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On February 15 2012 00:01 natebreen wrote:
Perhaps I'm confused and someone will surely correct me, but doesn't this bring up the issue that was discussed during Naniwa's incident about what is a "real" build and what is throwing the game?
Xeris forfeits Idra's $100 for 6 pooling twice, in his mind throwing the games.
However, Lucky just beat MMA with six pools in a bo3 on what is a larger stage in the MLG qualifiers.
I guess it's just on a case-by-case basis with the judgment of the tournament organizers to establish what is "cheese" and what is throwing the game?
Seems odd.
its not odd at all. idra had almost no chance of winning with them. maybe the first one would have been fine, but teh second one was just retarded. also, the fact that he always leaves early also helps point us all in the direction of Idra not giving a fuck about these matches.
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On February 14 2012 22:22 mememolly wrote:
6 pool on crossfire is probably a good build, that map is garbage for zerg
also not a lot you can do when you are facing 15 hellions which on a map that size is really hard to scout for, and you can over prepare for it and be behind if it doesn't come, didnt see the first game so can't comment, but only a few zergs in the world would of handled those games better, alive was smart and metagamed him hard and new he could tilt him with 15 hellions and his 6 poll defense was pretty sick on crossfire
It's roughly 50% actually with a large sample size.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/421_Crossfire_SE
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On February 15 2012 00:12 halfies wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:01 natebreen wrote:
Perhaps I'm confused and someone will surely correct me, but doesn't this bring up the issue that was discussed during Naniwa's incident about what is a "real" build and what is throwing the game?
Xeris forfeits Idra's $100 for 6 pooling twice, in his mind throwing the games.
However, Lucky just beat MMA with six pools in a bo3 on what is a larger stage in the MLG qualifiers.
I guess it's just on a case-by-case basis with the judgment of the tournament organizers to establish what is "cheese" and what is throwing the game?
Seems odd. its not odd at all. idra had almost no chance of winning with them. maybe the first one would have been fine, but teh second one was just retarded. also, the fact that he always leaves early also helps point us all in the direction of Idra not giving a fuck about these matches.
You really didn't respond to what I said.
Again, you're purporting that Idra 6 pooling is somehow different than Lucky 6 pooling.
How so?
Yes, you can make inferences or assumptions based on who he is and his character in general, but if we're going to be taking money away from players, or punishing them in the case of naniwa, there needs to be some serious hard-coded rules.
Just leaving it up to tournament organizers to take away someone's prize money at their own discretion sets a VERY bad precedent for an "esport."
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Edit: Never mind. Time and time again I am disappointed by the immaturity in this community, I shouldn't feed it.
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On February 15 2012 00:01 natebreen wrote:
Perhaps I'm confused and someone will surely correct me, but doesn't this bring up the issue that was discussed during Naniwa's incident about what is a "real" build and what is throwing the game?
Xeris forfeits Idra's $100 for 6 pooling twice, in his mind throwing the games.
However, Lucky just beat MMA with six pools in a bo3 on what is a larger stage in the MLG qualifiers.
I guess it's just on a case-by-case basis with the judgment of the tournament organizers to establish what is "cheese" and what is throwing the game?
Seems odd.
i wouldnt give him money for not writing gg.
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On February 15 2012 00:55 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:01 natebreen wrote:
Perhaps I'm confused and someone will surely correct me, but doesn't this bring up the issue that was discussed during Naniwa's incident about what is a "real" build and what is throwing the game?
Xeris forfeits Idra's $100 for 6 pooling twice, in his mind throwing the games.
However, Lucky just beat MMA with six pools in a bo3 on what is a larger stage in the MLG qualifiers.
I guess it's just on a case-by-case basis with the judgment of the tournament organizers to establish what is "cheese" and what is throwing the game?
Seems odd. i wouldnt give him money for not writing gg.
I would totally agree with you if that were part of a hard-coded set of rules by the organization given to the players ahead of time, like in proleague.
However, when we're talking about what is quickly becoming a "legitimized" sport with contracts and sponsors, you can't just do as you please and have an undefined set of rules that will make your money suddenly become withheld if you're a player.
It really doesn't look good when a tournament or showmatch forfeits someone's prize. Of course it doesn't look good when someone throws games, but again, we're coming to a debate about what is throwing a game vs. what is not trying.
This was discussed on SOTG and you need to be very careful about how you draw distinctions here. You can't just arbitrarily declare 6-pooling throwing the game when you lose, because Lucky 6 pooled twice in a row and won twice.
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