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On February 14 2012 17:58 kimchikid wrote:
Naniwa and Stefano are young and I can see them growing up eventually.
Idra needs serious help.
Comparing what Naniwa and Idra did, of course these 3 minute show matches is way worse. A difference though is that Idra cant help it, and will do it again as soon as someone will attack him in thee first game in next tournament.
Naniwa kind didn't think it through, he will never do it again.
It doesnt matter, the exposure needs to be similar so some players won't be favorited over others.
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It's insulting to Naniwa to compare these two cases. Nani would never throw an actual competitive game in a series he can still win. He would have played as long as he could win anything. The two cases and motives are completely different.
This is, however, similar to what Idra did in the finals of a TL Open when he ran off mid-series against Yong (iirc).
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On February 14 2012 18:10 Talin wrote:
This is, however, similar to what Idra did in the finals of a TL Open when he ran off mid-series against Yong (iirc).
That was against Nerchio.
It was also that incident that prompted Totalbiscuit (who was casting the TL Open at the time) to never invite idra to one of his invitationals (and rightfully so). More people should follow TBs example.
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Incontrol says it is not the same as Naniwa situation?? explain more please? didn't Idra get a spot in code S (a spot was given to him, not earned) and he all in Nestea? he just lost every single game to every single player? it is either Idra has medicore skill or he is being a BM, in both cases, what is the added value that Idra bring for a good team such as EG?
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Showmatches should be about the show, not about making money in 20 mins :/
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On February 14 2012 17:35 bgx wrote:
Hmm the Naniwa and Stephano cases were presented in a very negative light (but justified), its pretty weird for me to see how everyone tries to avoid Idra topic. In case of Naniwa and Stephano numerous public figures wanted to share their point of view about preserving profiessionalism.
So far it seems its not even treated equally, why when Idra does something bad its considered a kid's prank that everyone should overlook (agaaaaiiin). I am a specially dissapointed in NASL, ONOG punished Stephano's reputation severely for his "mistake", i hope NASL will make a statement that will be good enough for a community news highlight on TL. Everyone needs to see this case, for the matter of fairness to Stephano and Naniwa, we cant have people in industry who are free to do anything without consequences.
If you haven't noticed by now, US Starcraft is a boy's club where IdrA is a founding member of the boy's club. Everyone in the top echelon admires, respects and fears him too much to bad mouth him appropriately. It is actually painful because US Starcraft scene also generates the most hype about foreign players, therefore resulting in players like IdrA getting an incredible amount of over-hype, just because he is one of the favourites. As long as IdrA is making the sponsors money, the people who run the talk-shows, who also pander to the same sponsors, have no reason to badmouth IdrA and make him change his behaviour (the same behaviour which has brought him a huge fanbase of haters and lovers alike).
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And I thought the first day's reaction was over the top and hilarious.
But now the entire NA scene is accused of being scared of IdrA and refusing to badmouth him, lol. Holy shit.
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On February 14 2012 18:38 Hubble wrote:
Showmatches should be about the show, not about making money in 20 mins :/
Not for IdrA apparently. Maybe he felt this was bad practice against aLive and wanted to end it quickly? If that's the case then why did he lose 0-4, obviously aLive is superior to him since also IdrA is like Code B and aLive is Code S.
If I were IdrA as a Code B player get a chance to play a Code S player I would had given it all till the very end.
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On February 14 2012 18:47 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 17:35 bgx wrote:
Hmm the Naniwa and Stephano cases were presented in a very negative light (but justified), its pretty weird for me to see how everyone tries to avoid Idra topic. In case of Naniwa and Stephano numerous public figures wanted to share their point of view about preserving profiessionalism.
So far it seems its not even treated equally, why when Idra does something bad its considered a kid's prank that everyone should overlook (agaaaaiiin). I am a specially dissapointed in NASL, ONOG punished Stephano's reputation severely for his "mistake", i hope NASL will make a statement that will be good enough for a community news highlight on TL. Everyone needs to see this case, for the matter of fairness to Stephano and Naniwa, we cant have people in industry who are free to do anything without consequences. If you haven't noticed by now, US Starcraft is a boy's club where IdrA is a founding member of the boy's club. Everyone in the top echelon admires, respects and fears him too much to bad mouth him appropriately. It is actually painful because US Starcraft scene also generates the most hype about foreign players, therefore resulting in players like IdrA getting an incredible amount of over-hype, just because he is one of the favourites. As long as IdrA is making the sponsors money, the people who run the talk-shows, who also pander to the same sponsors, have no reason to badmouth IdrA and make him change his behaviour (the same behaviour which has brought him a huge fanbase of haters and lovers alike).
I noticed long ago, thats what i was implying with nicer words  I totally expect this case to be extinct in 3 days.
@walklightwhat
If half of NA scene would be friends with Greg it wouldnt be "scared" it would be rather "i dont want to talk bad on my friend", they will end up with "oh sigh, greggors try to behave at least and dont cause PR armageddon!"
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The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors.
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On February 14 2012 19:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors.
Tiny? He's being shit all over on reddit, here, twitter, Incontrol said (more than once) his actions were disgraceful, Xeris punished him, nobody but his fanboys have defended him and yet... it's "tiny"? Are you people delusional?
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On February 14 2012 19:08 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors. Tiny? He's being shit all over on reddit, here, twitter, Incontrol said (more than once) his actions were disgraceful, Xeris punished him, nobody but his fanboys have defended him and yet... it's "tiny"? Are you people delusional?
You weren't here when Naniwa and Stephano got really shitted on? You mean the 3 line response of Xeris in a 5 post topic that was closed is an official statement? And reddit thread got deleted.
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On February 14 2012 19:09 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:08 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors. Tiny? He's being shit all over on reddit, here, twitter, Incontrol said (more than once) his actions were disgraceful, Xeris punished him, nobody but his fanboys have defended him and yet... it's "tiny"? Are you people delusional? You weren't here when Naniwa and Stephano got really shitted on? You mean the 3 line response of Xeris in a 5 post topic that was closed is an official statement? And reddit thread got deleted.
I was there. I also read the ONOG organizers defend Stephano and I remember alot of people defending Nani. So, yeah, no I don't see how this is 'tiny'.
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On February 14 2012 19:11 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:09 bgx wrote:On February 14 2012 19:08 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors. Tiny? He's being shit all over on reddit, here, twitter, Incontrol said (more than once) his actions were disgraceful, Xeris punished him, nobody but his fanboys have defended him and yet... it's "tiny"? Are you people delusional? You weren't here when Naniwa and Stephano got really shitted on? You mean the 3 line response of Xeris in a 5 post topic that was closed is an official statement? And reddit thread got deleted. I was there. I also read the ONOG organizers defend Stephano and I remember alot of people defending Nani. So, yeah, no I don't see how this is 'tiny'.
The Internet fucking stopped for 1 week after Naniwas thing. It was the only thing discussed. This Idra thing is no were near the Naniwa thing.
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On February 14 2012 19:11 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:09 bgx wrote:On February 14 2012 19:08 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors. Tiny? He's being shit all over on reddit, here, twitter, Incontrol said (more than once) his actions were disgraceful, Xeris punished him, nobody but his fanboys have defended him and yet... it's "tiny"? Are you people delusional? You weren't here when Naniwa and Stephano got really shitted on? You mean the 3 line response of Xeris in a 5 post topic that was closed is an official statement? And reddit thread got deleted. I was there. I also read the ONOG organizers defend Stephano and I remember alot of people defending Nani. So, yeah, no I don't see how this is 'tiny'.
Than lets say we have different opinion on information presenting.
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On February 14 2012 19:11 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:09 bgx wrote:On February 14 2012 19:08 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors. Tiny? He's being shit all over on reddit, here, twitter, Incontrol said (more than once) his actions were disgraceful, Xeris punished him, nobody but his fanboys have defended him and yet... it's "tiny"? Are you people delusional? You weren't here when Naniwa and Stephano got really shitted on? You mean the 3 line response of Xeris in a 5 post topic that was closed is an official statement? And reddit thread got deleted. I was there. I also read the ONOG organizers defend Stephano and I remember alot of people defending Nani. So, yeah, no I don't see how this is 'tiny'.
I guess we'll see a community news regarding Idra's actions like we saw for Nani/Stephano ?
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On February 14 2012 19:18 BoBiNoU wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:11 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:09 bgx wrote:On February 14 2012 19:08 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors. Tiny? He's being shit all over on reddit, here, twitter, Incontrol said (more than once) his actions were disgraceful, Xeris punished him, nobody but his fanboys have defended him and yet... it's "tiny"? Are you people delusional? You weren't here when Naniwa and Stephano got really shitted on? You mean the 3 line response of Xeris in a 5 post topic that was closed is an official statement? And reddit thread got deleted. I was there. I also read the ONOG organizers defend Stephano and I remember alot of people defending Nani. So, yeah, no I don't see how this is 'tiny'. I guess we'll see a community news regarding Idra's actions like we saw for Nani/Stephano ?
Maybe if TL decide and IdrA agrees to an interview to explain himself, we might, which is the first 'community news' regarding Naniwa and the Blizzard cup, or if EG/NASL decide to release a statement, which is what caused a community news for the Stephano issue, no?
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On February 14 2012 19:23 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:18 BoBiNoU wrote:On February 14 2012 19:11 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:09 bgx wrote:On February 14 2012 19:08 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors. Tiny? He's being shit all over on reddit, here, twitter, Incontrol said (more than once) his actions were disgraceful, Xeris punished him, nobody but his fanboys have defended him and yet... it's "tiny"? Are you people delusional? You weren't here when Naniwa and Stephano got really shitted on? You mean the 3 line response of Xeris in a 5 post topic that was closed is an official statement? And reddit thread got deleted. I was there. I also read the ONOG organizers defend Stephano and I remember alot of people defending Nani. So, yeah, no I don't see how this is 'tiny'. I guess we'll see a community news regarding Idra's actions like we saw for Nani/Stephano ? Maybe if TL decide and IdrA agrees to an interview to explain himself, we might, which is the first 'community news' regarding Naniwa and the Blizzard cup, or if EG/NASL decide to release a statement, which is what caused a community news for the Stephano issue, no?
Thats why i said, i hope what Xeris said in this 5 post thread was not official and last statement by NASL, that would be below even their standards.
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On February 14 2012 18:38 Hubble wrote:
Showmatches should be about the show, not about making money in 20 mins :/
He didnt' take the money... ==
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On February 14 2012 19:26 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:23 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:18 BoBiNoU wrote:On February 14 2012 19:11 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:09 bgx wrote:On February 14 2012 19:08 walklightwhat wrote:On February 14 2012 19:04 purpose wrote:
The funny thing is that idra and his fans always and I mean always focus so much that macro is the only way to show skill. If people dont macro they dont know the game and were just lame.
If Idra accept a showmatch, then why go and do dbl 6pool if he meant to win games? The almighty Idra wanted to win games by 6pool when his history with this strat is not really good.
Nah everybody knows, even the Idra fanboys that Idra was just pissed, pissed as hell even that Alive just crushed him twice with early aggression. Idra wanted to play macro and his usual bad temper made him just 6pool twice out of rage.
Its just sad to see how tiny this thing is compared to Naniwa when it actually is alot wors. Tiny? He's being shit all over on reddit, here, twitter, Incontrol said (more than once) his actions were disgraceful, Xeris punished him, nobody but his fanboys have defended him and yet... it's "tiny"? Are you people delusional? You weren't here when Naniwa and Stephano got really shitted on? You mean the 3 line response of Xeris in a 5 post topic that was closed is an official statement? And reddit thread got deleted. I was there. I also read the ONOG organizers defend Stephano and I remember alot of people defending Nani. So, yeah, no I don't see how this is 'tiny'. I guess we'll see a community news regarding Idra's actions like we saw for Nani/Stephano ? Maybe if TL decide and IdrA agrees to an interview to explain himself, we might, which is the first 'community news' regarding Naniwa and the Blizzard cup, or if EG/NASL decide to release a statement, which is what caused a community news for the Stephano issue, no? Thats why i said, i hope what Xeris said in this 5 post thread was not official and last statement by NASL, that would be below even their standards.
I'm not sure what more you expect them to say. They can be more verbose, I guess, but their opinion on IdrA's actions seems pretty clear.
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