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r4pture
Profile Joined May 2011
United States397 Posts
February 14 2012 05:33 GMT
#1321
On February 14 2012 14:29 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 02:51 Strivers wrote:
On February 14 2012 00:50 MrCon wrote:
The problem is that those are not isolated incidents anymore.
One year ago you'd have the occasional Idra early gg but he was still playing well in general.
Now if you watch the last 20 Idra's games, they're all the same bullshit.

His fans trying to rationalize all of this is what hurting the most imo. So Idra was right to do that because aLive 11/11'ed him ? And what about every single zerg, even foreign ones, who manage to not die from this and bring the game to the mid or late part ? What about every single zerg except Idra knows how to defend from the hellion build ? If you replace Idra with someone like even Destiny, the first 2 games will go at least to the midgame. Nobody but Idra dies to this. Losira often loses his hatch to the 11/11, he's notoriously bad at defending it, but he still win the game a good % of the time after losing his hatch.

Last year Idra had the skill excuse, now he's one of the worst players in the scene skill wise. He doesn't realize how lucky he is to be able to live in the Slayers house. This guy is a disgrace.


Best post in the thread.



sigh ... It isn't hard to imagine someone even someone like Destiny making a game of it.


Its twice as easy to imagine seeing as he did exactly that earlier in the day.

Also, I would like to note that right now Idra only has 1500 viewers compared to his usual 7-8k, with iNc havding a good 3500. I hope this trend continues.
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
February 14 2012 05:37 GMT
#1322
It's kind of funny seeing EG member(s) try to argue why this is not as bad as the Naniwa situation. Sure, there are some differences, but the general idea is the same - the giving up and doing stupid shit while there are viewers expecting the players to at least try their very best. It'd be better if they admitted that IdrA screwed up as much as Naniwa did instead of trying to claim that this is a different thing altogether, because it really isn't. In some aspects it's not as bad and in some it's worse, and we can debate all we want about the specific differences between the Naniwa and the IdrA situation, but in the end I really feel like they're both in the same vein of things. I must also agree with oxxo in the point that it is irrelevant whether or not NASL/Fnatic called for an apology. If someone wrongs me and I don't seek an apology, does that make the action more acceptable than if I did seek an apology? I don't think so.
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
February 14 2012 05:38 GMT
#1323
after Idra vs Taeja it's funny that some of you guys still think he could do something against Alive(who now on fire)
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
February 14 2012 05:40 GMT
#1324
On February 14 2012 14:33 r4pture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 14:29 Defacer wrote:
On February 14 2012 02:51 Strivers wrote:
On February 14 2012 00:50 MrCon wrote:
The problem is that those are not isolated incidents anymore.
One year ago you'd have the occasional Idra early gg but he was still playing well in general.
Now if you watch the last 20 Idra's games, they're all the same bullshit.

His fans trying to rationalize all of this is what hurting the most imo. So Idra was right to do that because aLive 11/11'ed him ? And what about every single zerg, even foreign ones, who manage to not die from this and bring the game to the mid or late part ? What about every single zerg except Idra knows how to defend from the hellion build ? If you replace Idra with someone like even Destiny, the first 2 games will go at least to the midgame. Nobody but Idra dies to this. Losira often loses his hatch to the 11/11, he's notoriously bad at defending it, but he still win the game a good % of the time after losing his hatch.

Last year Idra had the skill excuse, now he's one of the worst players in the scene skill wise. He doesn't realize how lucky he is to be able to live in the Slayers house. This guy is a disgrace.


Best post in the thread.



sigh ... It isn't hard to imagine someone even someone like Destiny making a game of it.


Its twice as easy to imagine seeing as he did exactly that earlier in the day.

Also, I would like to note that right now Idra only has 1500 viewers compared to his usual 7-8k, with iNc havding a good 3500. I hope this trend continues.


Man, I'd rather watch InControl and Machine play warhammer silently in the background of the EG house than watch a guy 6-pooling in a showmatch. They could be 50 fett away from the webcam, At least they'd doing something they give a shit about.
Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
February 14 2012 06:15 GMT
#1325
On February 14 2012 10:09 FearUSA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 10:04 Kamais Ookin wrote:
iNcontroL, why are you silent? You were pretty loud back when Naniwa did similar things...


Because he has nothing to say? that's what silent means, you just wait till the next state of the game it will come up you will have your answer.
Sup?
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Grantiere
Profile Joined March 2011
United States129 Posts
February 14 2012 06:19 GMT
#1326
On February 14 2012 12:08 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 10:47 nvs. wrote:
On February 14 2012 10:04 Kamais Ookin wrote:
iNcontroL, why are you silent? You were pretty loud back when Naniwa did similar things...


So was alex, just read that blog. XD

Of course they will clam up when it directly affects themselves though, I wouldn't expect any less.


haha you guys are hilarious.. nvs. is my favorite obsessed troll ALWAYS following me around and saying something snarky. Stay classy bro!

EG is not happy obviously.. IdrA knows this is wrong and it's being dealt with. NASL hasn't called for an apology nor has Fnatic. This is NOT the same as the Naniwa situation for obvious reasons.. it's bad, nobody would say otherwise but it is nowhere near what Naniwa did.


Dude, keep this in-house. Unless EG intends this to be an official statement, you're better off ignoring this crap and not commenting on internal actions.
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
February 14 2012 06:34 GMT
#1327
I think aLive's comment - "You 6poll?" has just been immratlized forever thanks to the gracken bwhahaha

and no, thats not 6pool, but he actually said 6poll XDDDDD

such a bawss.
"you 6poll?" - aLive to IdrA on NASL Sunday Showmatch, Feb 2012
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 06:54:32
February 14 2012 06:54 GMT
#1328
On February 14 2012 15:19 Grantiere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:08 iNcontroL wrote:
On February 14 2012 10:47 nvs. wrote:
On February 14 2012 10:04 Kamais Ookin wrote:
iNcontroL, why are you silent? You were pretty loud back when Naniwa did similar things...


So was alex, just read that blog. XD

Of course they will clam up when it directly affects themselves though, I wouldn't expect any less.


haha you guys are hilarious.. nvs. is my favorite obsessed troll ALWAYS following me around and saying something snarky. Stay classy bro!

EG is not happy obviously.. IdrA knows this is wrong and it's being dealt with. NASL hasn't called for an apology nor has Fnatic. This is NOT the same as the Naniwa situation for obvious reasons.. it's bad, nobody would say otherwise but it is nowhere near what Naniwa did.


Dude, keep this in-house. Unless EG intends this to be an official statement, you're better off ignoring this crap and not commenting on internal actions.


He didn't say much which needs to be kept in-house but it is sad Incontrol had to come into the thread and clarify that EG is in fact not happy with him and Idra himself knows it was a dick move. That should be common sense but looking through this thread its not. Alex the owner of EG once said in a blog how he had to have a sit down with Idra after the TL-open rage quit, so I think it's fine for Incontrol to shed some light on the situation
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 06:57:28
February 14 2012 06:56 GMT
#1329
6 pooling a Terran isn't throwing a Showmatch there is a possibility to win if they 2 rax or don't block the ramp.

He's allowed rage if he wants.

Kind-of dissapointed the games ended so early but meh its not like its the last games we will ever see him play just hopefully the trend doesn't continue.

Would like to see longer games next time he plays. XD
Never GG MKP | IdrA
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
February 14 2012 06:59 GMT
#1330
On February 14 2012 15:56 XRaDiiX wrote:
6 pooling a Terran isn't throwing a Showmatch there is a possibility to win if they 2 rax or don't block the ramp.

He's allowed rage if he wants.

Kind-of dissapointed the games ended so early but meh its not like its the last games we will ever see him play just hopefully the trend doesn't continue.

Would like to see longer games next time he plays. XD


Ya except for he did it blindly two games in a row, with no metagaming to be seen, and no prior 2 rax knowledge to back it up, unlike games (I think in MLG Winter Arena Quals) between Lucky and MMA, where MMA was almost guaranteed to 2 rax based on history and map.
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4343 Posts
February 14 2012 07:22 GMT
#1331
On February 14 2012 15:19 Grantiere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:08 iNcontroL wrote:
On February 14 2012 10:47 nvs. wrote:
On February 14 2012 10:04 Kamais Ookin wrote:
iNcontroL, why are you silent? You were pretty loud back when Naniwa did similar things...


So was alex, just read that blog. XD

Of course they will clam up when it directly affects themselves though, I wouldn't expect any less.


haha you guys are hilarious.. nvs. is my favorite obsessed troll ALWAYS following me around and saying something snarky. Stay classy bro!

EG is not happy obviously.. IdrA knows this is wrong and it's being dealt with. NASL hasn't called for an apology nor has Fnatic. This is NOT the same as the Naniwa situation for obvious reasons.. it's bad, nobody would say otherwise but it is nowhere near what Naniwa did.


Dude, keep this in-house. Unless EG intends this to be an official statement, you're better off ignoring this crap and not commenting on internal actions.


Agreeing with Grantiere here Inc. I know you're loyal to your friends and you're trying to defend Idra but let the PR guys handle this. I know debating was (is?) a major focal in your life but I feel you've always lacked the right vocabulary at times.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
February 14 2012 07:34 GMT
#1332
Throwing a game is throwing a game in my book. Both situations ARE very similar and in IdrA's case possibly worse since he still had a shot to "win" the showmatch. Atleast in NaNi's series he had already been mathematically eliminated.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
Magerquark
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany21 Posts
February 14 2012 08:05 GMT
#1333
it just makes me sad to see how he s throughing his career away with things like this. Hes obviously a good player but his mindset is far away from what i consider professional. Maybe someone should remind him on the fact that this money comes from the big sc2 community that wants to see him play. This **** might work up to certain point with viewers but what is about his sponsors. Doesnt he know that there is a final straw to this
Take us into orbit, Mr. Malmsteen. We've seen enough
BoBiNoU
Profile Joined March 2011
France181 Posts
February 14 2012 08:10 GMT
#1334
On February 14 2012 16:34 Tegin wrote:
Throwing a game is throwing a game in my book. Both situations ARE very similar and in IdrA's case possibly worse since he still had a shot to "win" the showmatch. Atleast in NaNi's series he had already been mathematically eliminated.


This is way worse for me.
It was a showmatch with only 2 players invited.
Throwing games is just a disrespect to everyone watching it and to everyone who made it happen.

It's way worse than throwing a pointless game in a tournament.
go m00
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 08:21:03
February 14 2012 08:20 GMT
#1335
Wow, kind of glad that I decided against watching it, seemed to have been a very unpleasant event.
I hope NASL puts more thought into who they invite next.
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
February 14 2012 08:24 GMT
#1336
The entire point of a showmatch is for people to see those two player play. To accept a showmatch and then get pissed after 2 games and throw 2 more by 6pooling is actually way wors then what Naniwa did.

the sad part is that as longa s Idra acts like a idiot he will always be invited and stay in esports. It was a long time since Idra was even close to be a top sc2 players, even outside korea but still people consider him like top 2.
klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
February 14 2012 08:25 GMT
#1337
i've come to expect this outcome.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
February 14 2012 08:35 GMT
#1338
Hmm the Naniwa and Stephano cases were presented in a very negative light (but justified), its pretty weird for me to see how everyone tries to avoid Idra topic. In case of Naniwa and Stephano numerous public figures wanted to share their point of view about preserving profiessionalism.

So far it seems its not even treated equally, why when Idra does something bad its considered a kid's prank that everyone should overlook (agaaaaiiin). I am a specially dissapointed in NASL, ONOG punished Stephano's reputation severely for his "mistake", i hope NASL will make a statement that will be good enough for a community news highlight on TL. Everyone needs to see this case, for the matter of fairness to Stephano and Naniwa, we cant have people in industry who are free to do anything without consequences.
Stork[gm]
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 14 2012 08:51 GMT
#1339
On February 13 2012 13:35 WilDMousE wrote:

OMG. I died of laughter.

Was going through the comments of this abomination of a showmatch. Started with the last 30 pages and then went back to see what people typed after the first 6 pool and then what they typed after the second. That video is popped up and I couldn't stop laughing.

Thank you. Thank you.
I had a good night of sleep.
kimchikid
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden162 Posts
February 14 2012 08:58 GMT
#1340
Naniwa and Stefano are young and I can see them growing up eventually.

Idra needs serious help.

Comparing what Naniwa and Idra did, of course these 3 minute show matches is way worse. A difference though is that Idra cant help it, and will do it again as soon as someone will attack him in thee first game in next tournament.

Naniwa kind didn't think it through, he will never do it again.
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