On February 14 2012 00:50 MrCon wrote: The problem is that those are not isolated incidents anymore. One year ago you'd have the occasional Idra early gg but he was still playing well in general. Now if you watch the last 20 Idra's games, they're all the same bullshit.
His fans trying to rationalize all of this is what hurting the most imo. So Idra was right to do that because aLive 11/11'ed him ? And what about every single zerg, even foreign ones, who manage to not die from this and bring the game to the mid or late part ? What about every single zerg except Idra knows how to defend from the hellion build ? If you replace Idra with someone like even Destiny, the first 2 games will go at least to the midgame. Nobody but Idra dies to this. Losira often loses his hatch to the 11/11, he's notoriously bad at defending it, but he still win the game a good % of the time after losing his hatch.
Last year Idra had the skill excuse, now he's one of the worst players in the scene skill wise. He doesn't realize how lucky he is to be able to live in the Slayers house. This guy is a disgrace.
Best post in the thread.
sigh ... It isn't hard to imagine someone even someone like Destiny making a game of it.
Its twice as easy to imagine seeing as he did exactly that earlier in the day.
Also, I would like to note that right now Idra only has 1500 viewers compared to his usual 7-8k, with iNc havding a good 3500. I hope this trend continues.
It's kind of funny seeing EG member(s) try to argue why this is not as bad as the Naniwa situation. Sure, there are some differences, but the general idea is the same - the giving up and doing stupid shit while there are viewers expecting the players to at least try their very best. It'd be better if they admitted that IdrA screwed up as much as Naniwa did instead of trying to claim that this is a different thing altogether, because it really isn't. In some aspects it's not as bad and in some it's worse, and we can debate all we want about the specific differences between the Naniwa and the IdrA situation, but in the end I really feel like they're both in the same vein of things. I must also agree with oxxo in the point that it is irrelevant whether or not NASL/Fnatic called for an apology. If someone wrongs me and I don't seek an apology, does that make the action more acceptable than if I did seek an apology? I don't think so.
On February 14 2012 00:50 MrCon wrote: The problem is that those are not isolated incidents anymore. One year ago you'd have the occasional Idra early gg but he was still playing well in general. Now if you watch the last 20 Idra's games, they're all the same bullshit.
His fans trying to rationalize all of this is what hurting the most imo. So Idra was right to do that because aLive 11/11'ed him ? And what about every single zerg, even foreign ones, who manage to not die from this and bring the game to the mid or late part ? What about every single zerg except Idra knows how to defend from the hellion build ? If you replace Idra with someone like even Destiny, the first 2 games will go at least to the midgame. Nobody but Idra dies to this. Losira often loses his hatch to the 11/11, he's notoriously bad at defending it, but he still win the game a good % of the time after losing his hatch.
Last year Idra had the skill excuse, now he's one of the worst players in the scene skill wise. He doesn't realize how lucky he is to be able to live in the Slayers house. This guy is a disgrace.
Best post in the thread.
sigh ... It isn't hard to imagine someone even someone like Destiny making a game of it.
Its twice as easy to imagine seeing as he did exactly that earlier in the day.
Also, I would like to note that right now Idra only has 1500 viewers compared to his usual 7-8k, with iNc havding a good 3500. I hope this trend continues.
Man, I'd rather watch InControl and Machine play warhammer silently in the background of the EG house than watch a guy 6-pooling in a showmatch. They could be 50 fett away from the webcam, At least they'd doing something they give a shit about.
On February 14 2012 10:04 Kamais Ookin wrote: iNcontroL, why are you silent? You were pretty loud back when Naniwa did similar things...
So was alex, just read that blog. XD
Of course they will clam up when it directly affects themselves though, I wouldn't expect any less.
haha you guys are hilarious.. nvs. is my favorite obsessed troll ALWAYS following me around and saying something snarky. Stay classy bro!
EG is not happy obviously.. IdrA knows this is wrong and it's being dealt with. NASL hasn't called for an apology nor has Fnatic. This is NOT the same as the Naniwa situation for obvious reasons.. it's bad, nobody would say otherwise but it is nowhere near what Naniwa did.
Dude, keep this in-house. Unless EG intends this to be an official statement, you're better off ignoring this crap and not commenting on internal actions.
On February 14 2012 10:04 Kamais Ookin wrote: iNcontroL, why are you silent? You were pretty loud back when Naniwa did similar things...
So was alex, just read that blog. XD
Of course they will clam up when it directly affects themselves though, I wouldn't expect any less.
haha you guys are hilarious.. nvs. is my favorite obsessed troll ALWAYS following me around and saying something snarky. Stay classy bro!
EG is not happy obviously.. IdrA knows this is wrong and it's being dealt with. NASL hasn't called for an apology nor has Fnatic. This is NOT the same as the Naniwa situation for obvious reasons.. it's bad, nobody would say otherwise but it is nowhere near what Naniwa did.
Dude, keep this in-house. Unless EG intends this to be an official statement, you're better off ignoring this crap and not commenting on internal actions.
He didn't say much which needs to be kept in-house but it is sad Incontrol had to come into the thread and clarify that EG is in fact not happy with him and Idra himself knows it was a dick move. That should be common sense but looking through this thread its not. Alex the owner of EG once said in a blog how he had to have a sit down with Idra after the TL-open rage quit, so I think it's fine for Incontrol to shed some light on the situation
6 pooling a Terran isn't throwing a Showmatch there is a possibility to win if they 2 rax or don't block the ramp.
He's allowed rage if he wants.
Kind-of dissapointed the games ended so early but meh its not like its the last games we will ever see him play just hopefully the trend doesn't continue.
Would like to see longer games next time he plays. XD
On February 14 2012 15:56 XRaDiiX wrote: 6 pooling a Terran isn't throwing a Showmatch there is a possibility to win if they 2 rax or don't block the ramp.
He's allowed rage if he wants.
Kind-of dissapointed the games ended so early but meh its not like its the last games we will ever see him play just hopefully the trend doesn't continue.
Would like to see longer games next time he plays. XD
Ya except for he did it blindly two games in a row, with no metagaming to be seen, and no prior 2 rax knowledge to back it up, unlike games (I think in MLG Winter Arena Quals) between Lucky and MMA, where MMA was almost guaranteed to 2 rax based on history and map.
On February 14 2012 10:04 Kamais Ookin wrote: iNcontroL, why are you silent? You were pretty loud back when Naniwa did similar things...
So was alex, just read that blog. XD
Of course they will clam up when it directly affects themselves though, I wouldn't expect any less.
haha you guys are hilarious.. nvs. is my favorite obsessed troll ALWAYS following me around and saying something snarky. Stay classy bro!
EG is not happy obviously.. IdrA knows this is wrong and it's being dealt with. NASL hasn't called for an apology nor has Fnatic. This is NOT the same as the Naniwa situation for obvious reasons.. it's bad, nobody would say otherwise but it is nowhere near what Naniwa did.
Dude, keep this in-house. Unless EG intends this to be an official statement, you're better off ignoring this crap and not commenting on internal actions.
Agreeing with Grantiere here Inc. I know you're loyal to your friends and you're trying to defend Idra but let the PR guys handle this. I know debating was (is?) a major focal in your life but I feel you've always lacked the right vocabulary at times.
Throwing a game is throwing a game in my book. Both situations ARE very similar and in IdrA's case possibly worse since he still had a shot to "win" the showmatch. Atleast in NaNi's series he had already been mathematically eliminated.
it just makes me sad to see how he s throughing his career away with things like this. Hes obviously a good player but his mindset is far away from what i consider professional. Maybe someone should remind him on the fact that this money comes from the big sc2 community that wants to see him play. This **** might work up to certain point with viewers but what is about his sponsors. Doesnt he know that there is a final straw to this
On February 14 2012 16:34 Tegin wrote: Throwing a game is throwing a game in my book. Both situations ARE very similar and in IdrA's case possibly worse since he still had a shot to "win" the showmatch. Atleast in NaNi's series he had already been mathematically eliminated.
This is way worse for me. It was a showmatch with only 2 players invited. Throwing games is just a disrespect to everyone watching it and to everyone who made it happen.
It's way worse than throwing a pointless game in a tournament.
Wow, kind of glad that I decided against watching it, seemed to have been a very unpleasant event. I hope NASL puts more thought into who they invite next.
The entire point of a showmatch is for people to see those two player play. To accept a showmatch and then get pissed after 2 games and throw 2 more by 6pooling is actually way wors then what Naniwa did.
the sad part is that as longa s Idra acts like a idiot he will always be invited and stay in esports. It was a long time since Idra was even close to be a top sc2 players, even outside korea but still people consider him like top 2.
Hmm the Naniwa and Stephano cases were presented in a very negative light (but justified), its pretty weird for me to see how everyone tries to avoid Idra topic. In case of Naniwa and Stephano numerous public figures wanted to share their point of view about preserving profiessionalism.
So far it seems its not even treated equally, why when Idra does something bad its considered a kid's prank that everyone should overlook (agaaaaiiin). I am a specially dissapointed in NASL, ONOG punished Stephano's reputation severely for his "mistake", i hope NASL will make a statement that will be good enough for a community news highlight on TL. Everyone needs to see this case, for the matter of fairness to Stephano and Naniwa, we cant have people in industry who are free to do anything without consequences.
Was going through the comments of this abomination of a showmatch. Started with the last 30 pages and then went back to see what people typed after the first 6 pool and then what they typed after the second. That video is popped up and I couldn't stop laughing.
Naniwa and Stefano are young and I can see them growing up eventually.
Idra needs serious help.
Comparing what Naniwa and Idra did, of course these 3 minute show matches is way worse. A difference though is that Idra cant help it, and will do it again as soon as someone will attack him in thee first game in next tournament.
Naniwa kind didn't think it through, he will never do it again.