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[NASTL] Liquid vs Quantic - Page 2

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GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
January 22 2012 22:16 GMT
#21
gogo TL!
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
January 22 2012 22:27 GMT
#22
Zenio < Shuffle
HerO > Agh
TLO < SaSe
Ret > theognis

and then SaSe 2-0 HerO in the Ace match.
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
January 22 2012 22:29 GMT
#23
Too bad no Destiny or NaNiwa for quantic
KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
January 22 2012 22:30 GMT
#24
theognis & sase fighting!
http://www.twitter.com/KicKDoG_LoL baylife plox?
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
January 22 2012 22:30 GMT
#25
I still think this is anyones ball game, I'll have to say TL will win this one though with no Naniwa. gl hf
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
wattabeast
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States957 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 22:54:18
January 22 2012 22:33 GMT
#26
TBH I Think it will be 3-2 Towards quantic. Here are my predictions:
Zenio>Shuffle--> Zenio's ZvZ is top notch, and Shuffle's really does not compare in my opinion.
Hero>Agh-->Basically same thing as above but Hero instead of Zenio but Agh instead of Shuffle
TLO<Sase-->Sase is extremely versatile in all matchups, and PvZ is no exception. Expect total domination here.
Ret<TheOgnis--> This is where my pick gets a little "unorthodox" Despite Ret's extreme ZvT talent Theognis is a really good player and extremely underrated. Expect Theognis to win in a close one.
Ace Match--> Hero<Naniwa--> This is where Naniwa's amazing PvP comes into handy, destroying the last hope for Liquid, winning 2-1. However if Liquid send out Zenio expect Zenio to win 2-0 handily, especially after seeing IEM Kiev.
:O
Reval
Profile Joined January 2012
United States297 Posts
January 22 2012 22:37 GMT
#27
On January 23 2012 07:33 wattabeast wrote:
TLO<Sase-->Sase is extremely versatile in all matchups, and ZvZ is no exception. Expect total domination here.


Wait what? SaSe played protoss last time I checked
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
January 22 2012 22:49 GMT
#28
I still have nightmares from the last time.
wattabeast
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States957 Posts
January 22 2012 22:54 GMT
#29
On January 23 2012 07:37 Reval wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 07:33 wattabeast wrote:
TLO<Sase-->Sase is extremely versatile in all matchups, and ZvZ is no exception. Expect total domination here.


Wait what? SaSe played protoss last time I checked

Errr you're right, sorry 'tis a Typo. I will edit that xD
:O
Chrian
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1472 Posts
January 22 2012 22:58 GMT
#30
TLO will beat SaSe, you heard it here first.
Reval
Profile Joined January 2012
United States297 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 23:22:30
January 22 2012 23:14 GMT
#31
On January 23 2012 07:54 wattabeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 07:37 Reval wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:33 wattabeast wrote:
TLO<Sase-->Sase is extremely versatile in all matchups, and ZvZ is no exception. Expect total domination here.


Wait what? SaSe played protoss last time I checked

Errr you're right, sorry 'tis a Typo. I will edit that xD


Oh good for a minute there I thought one of my favourite players had race switched to zerg. I was dissapointed when TLO did cause his Zerg is so meh by comparison to his terran

On January 23 2012 07:58 Chrian wrote:
TLO will beat SaSe, you heard it here first.


As much as I like TLO I really don't see that happening. SaSe is one of the best foreigners imo
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
January 22 2012 23:29 GMT
#32
Nani doesn't play clan wars right? Correct me if I'm wrong but Im under the impression hes openly said that he doesnt like playing clan wars because they are cross server.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 22 2012 23:38 GMT
#33
On January 23 2012 06:34 Choboo wrote:
If this was all-kill format Quantic would win EZ

So what you're saying is that in this TEAM-league, if the style that was less team oriented, and allowed for a single player to carry their entire team, that the "TEAM" (SaSe and NaNiwa, that is) would win. All-kill format is less strategy and team oriented and more based solely around the idea of who has a better fourth or fifth man. It's kind of cool to watch, but the PL format makes for a wider variety of games.

Oh, and Quantic still wouldn't win. They don't have a solid enough player to deal with Zenio. Zenio's Achilles's Heel is his ZvT, but QxG doesn't have a solid enough Terran to really exploit that. His ZvP is beastly and both SaSe and NaNiwa's PvZ are their worst match-ups. And even though he's Zerg, I don't even think that QxG has somebody who could cheese him out, just look at his stats for ZvZ in Korea. The only other person who has as good of a record is NesTea, and I think we can all agree that NesTea's ZvZ is the best in the world.

Plus, HerO is more than capable of beating either SaSe or NaNiwa. And to be honest, after you get through the two stars of each team (SaSe and NaNiwa for QxG and Zenio and HerO for Liquid), Liquid has a much deeper line-up. Ret and Sheth are both better than anybody else on QxG, and I think they could even take games off SaSe or NaNiwa.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 22 2012 23:41 GMT
#34
It's revenge time for Liquid. Liquid will probably win this.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
January 22 2012 23:43 GMT
#35
On January 23 2012 08:38 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 06:34 Choboo wrote:
If this was all-kill format Quantic would win EZ

So what you're saying is that in this TEAM-league, if the style that was less team oriented, and allowed for a single player to carry their entire team, that the "TEAM" (SaSe and NaNiwa, that is) would win. All-kill format is less strategy and team oriented and more based solely around the idea of who has a better fourth or fifth man. It's kind of cool to watch, but the PL format makes for a wider variety of games.

Oh, and Quantic still wouldn't win. They don't have a solid enough player to deal with Zenio. Zenio's Achilles's Heel is his ZvT, but QxG doesn't have a solid enough Terran to really exploit that. His ZvP is beastly and both SaSe and NaNiwa's PvZ are their worst match-ups. And even though he's Zerg, I don't even think that QxG has somebody who could cheese him out, just look at his stats for ZvZ in Korea. The only other person who has as good of a record is NesTea, and I think we can all agree that NesTea's ZvZ is the best in the world.

Plus, HerO is more than capable of beating either SaSe or NaNiwa. And to be honest, after you get through the two stars of each team (SaSe and NaNiwa for QxG and Zenio and HerO for Liquid), Liquid has a much deeper line-up. Ret and Sheth are both better than anybody else on QxG, and I think they could even take games off SaSe or NaNiwa.

I'd love to share your enthusiasm and confidence but I think Quantics stands just a tad better chance, especially in the ace match. Hero can either be the most amazing player or just a "O.o" Gogo TL tho <3
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 22 2012 23:44 GMT
#36
On January 23 2012 08:29 Angelbelow wrote:
Nani doesn't play clan wars right? Correct me if I'm wrong but Im under the impression hes openly said that he doesnt like playing clan wars because they are cross server.

That certainly sounds like a stance that NaNiwa would take. I can't understand why he wouldn't be playing other than the fact that his hubris gets in his own way, which is really too bad because whenever he does play he consistently produces excellent games.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 22 2012 23:48 GMT
#37
On January 23 2012 08:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 08:38 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 23 2012 06:34 Choboo wrote:
If this was all-kill format Quantic would win EZ

So what you're saying is that in this TEAM-league, if the style that was less team oriented, and allowed for a single player to carry their entire team, that the "TEAM" (SaSe and NaNiwa, that is) would win. All-kill format is less strategy and team oriented and more based solely around the idea of who has a better fourth or fifth man. It's kind of cool to watch, but the PL format makes for a wider variety of games.

Oh, and Quantic still wouldn't win. They don't have a solid enough player to deal with Zenio. Zenio's Achilles's Heel is his ZvT, but QxG doesn't have a solid enough Terran to really exploit that. His ZvP is beastly and both SaSe and NaNiwa's PvZ are their worst match-ups. And even though he's Zerg, I don't even think that QxG has somebody who could cheese him out, just look at his stats for ZvZ in Korea. The only other person who has as good of a record is NesTea, and I think we can all agree that NesTea's ZvZ is the best in the world.

Plus, HerO is more than capable of beating either SaSe or NaNiwa. And to be honest, after you get through the two stars of each team (SaSe and NaNiwa for QxG and Zenio and HerO for Liquid), Liquid has a much deeper line-up. Ret and Sheth are both better than anybody else on QxG, and I think they could even take games off SaSe or NaNiwa.

I'd love to share your enthusiasm and confidence but I think Quantics stands just a tad better chance, especially in the ace match. Hero can either be the most amazing player or just a "O.o" Gogo TL tho <3

I'm pretty sure that if this goes to an ace-match, TL will send out Zenio. Like I said, his real weak point is his ZvT, but QxG doesn't have a Terran good enough to beat him. He might not be good enough to compete with Code S Terrans, but he's good enough for theognis or whoever else on QxG plays Terran. Plus, putting the match up to a PvP seems like a really risky decision, even if it is HerO. Zenio seems to me to be the better answer.

Even against SaSe, after the way that Zenio smashed NaNiwa earlier in IEM, I'm not sure that SaSe could handle him. The ace match will be close whoever gets sent out, but I think that Liquid will be able to win.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 22 2012 23:49 GMT
#38
On January 23 2012 03:45 The Final Boss wrote:
Liquid 3-1

(Z)Zenio > (Z)Shuffle
ZvZ is a pretty anybody-can-win sort of match-up, but not when one of those players is Zenio. He has some of the best ZvZ in the world and I don't see Shuffle standing much of a chance. That being said, since it is ZvZ Bo1 anything could happen, but let's be honest, it probably won't. I think Tal'Darim Altar is so big of a map that it's harder for cheeses to work, and I don't see how Shuffle can stand much of a chance against a S-Class ZvZer like Zenio.

(P)LiquidHerO > (P)Agh
Once again, even if PvP is a match-up that produces more build order wins than other match-ups, it is also highly reliant on the micro of the player. Agh is going to need to get lucky to beat HerO.

(Z)TLO < (P)SaSe
I think that from QxG's standpoint, it would have been best to get SaSe matched up against either Ret or one of the Koreans, because he's the one with the best shot, and then they might be able to win it 3-2 with an ace match. TLO is the weakest player that Liquid is sending out, but he's still pretty good. I don't think that with him switching races and SaSe being such a baller that he has a great chance, but TLO's wacky style might favor the Bo1 setting. Regardless, SaSe is a beast, and should be able to beat TLO.

(Z)Ret > (T)theognis
Ret is one of the best foreigners, but he certainly has his weak points. theognis's best chance will certainly be cheesing or dispatching Ret early game, but after Ret starts rolling I don't see theognis being able to stop him.

If it gets to the ace match (which is always a possibility with the Bo1 format) then I figure Zenio vs SaSe with Zenio winning it. I would assume that Liquid knows that QxG will use SaSe and rather then risking a PvP, Zenio (who just crushed NaNiwa at IEM) can beat SaSe in a ZvP.


You had a good summarize on it all, we have the same predictions also. ^^
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
January 22 2012 23:53 GMT
#39
On January 23 2012 08:44 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 08:29 Angelbelow wrote:
Nani doesn't play clan wars right? Correct me if I'm wrong but Im under the impression hes openly said that he doesnt like playing clan wars because they are cross server.

That certainly sounds like a stance that NaNiwa would take. I can't understand why he wouldn't be playing other than the fact that his hubris gets in his own way, which is really too bad because whenever he does play he consistently produces excellent games.


Even though this was never publicly stated, I think part of the reason why coL had such a problem with nani was because it was difficult to get him to play in clan wars. Nani really likes quantic, so maybe they can convince him to do it. I love watching him play too and hopefully he participates in some.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
AdrianHealey
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium480 Posts
January 22 2012 23:59 GMT
#40
When does it start? (How many hours away?)
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