[NASTL] Liquid vs Quantic - Page 2

On January 23 2012 07:33 wattabeast wrote:
TLO<Sase-->Sase is extremely versatile in all matchups, and ZvZ is no exception. Expect total domination here.

On January 23 2012 07:37 Reval wrote:


Wait what? SaSe played protoss last time I checked

On January 23 2012 07:54 wattabeast wrote:

Errr you're right, sorry 'tis a Typo. I will edit that xD

On January 23 2012 07:58 Chrian wrote:
TLO will beat SaSe, you heard it here first.

On January 23 2012 06:34 Choboo wrote:
If this was all-kill format Quantic would win EZ

On January 23 2012 08:38 The Final Boss wrote:

So what you're saying is that in this TEAM-league, if the style that was less team oriented, and allowed for a single player to carry their entire team, that the "TEAM" (SaSe and NaNiwa, that is) would win. All-kill format is less strategy and team oriented and more based solely around the idea of who has a better fourth or fifth man. It's kind of cool to watch, but the PL format makes for a wider variety of games.

Oh, and Quantic still wouldn't win. They don't have a solid enough player to deal with Zenio. Zenio's Achilles's Heel is his ZvT, but QxG doesn't have a solid enough Terran to really exploit that. His ZvP is beastly and both SaSe and NaNiwa's PvZ are their worst match-ups. And even though he's Zerg, I don't even think that QxG has somebody who could cheese him out, just look at his stats for ZvZ in Korea. The only other person who has as good of a record is NesTea, and I think we can all agree that NesTea's ZvZ is the best in the world.

Plus, HerO is more than capable of beating either SaSe or NaNiwa. And to be honest, after you get through the two stars of each team (SaSe and NaNiwa for QxG and Zenio and HerO for Liquid), Liquid has a much deeper line-up. Ret and Sheth are both better than anybody else on QxG, and I think they could even take games off SaSe or NaNiwa.

On January 23 2012 08:29 Angelbelow wrote:
Nani doesn't play clan wars right? Correct me if I'm wrong but Im under the impression hes openly said that he doesnt like playing clan wars because they are cross server.

On January 23 2012 08:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:

I'd love to share your enthusiasm and confidence but I think Quantics stands just a tad better chance, especially in the ace match. Hero can either be the most amazing player or just a "O.o" Gogo TL tho <3

On January 23 2012 03:45 The Final Boss wrote:
Liquid 3-1

Zenio > Shuffle
ZvZ is a pretty anybody-can-win sort of match-up, but not when one of those players is Zenio. He has some of the best ZvZ in the world and I don't see Shuffle standing much of a chance. That being said, since it is ZvZ Bo1 anything could happen, but let's be honest, it probably won't. I think Tal'Darim Altar is so big of a map that it's harder for cheeses to work, and I don't see how Shuffle can stand much of a chance against a S-Class ZvZer like Zenio.

LiquidHerO > Agh
Once again, even if PvP is a match-up that produces more build order wins than other match-ups, it is also highly reliant on the micro of the player. Agh is going to need to get lucky to beat HerO.

TLO < SaSe
I think that from QxG's standpoint, it would have been best to get SaSe matched up against either Ret or one of the Koreans, because he's the one with the best shot, and then they might be able to win it 3-2 with an ace match. TLO is the weakest player that Liquid is sending out, but he's still pretty good. I don't think that with him switching races and SaSe being such a baller that he has a great chance, but TLO's wacky style might favor the Bo1 setting. Regardless, SaSe is a beast, and should be able to beat TLO.

Ret > theognis
Ret is one of the best foreigners, but he certainly has his weak points. theognis's best chance will certainly be cheesing or dispatching Ret early game, but after Ret starts rolling I don't see theognis being able to stop him.

If it gets to the ace match (which is always a possibility with the Bo1 format) then I figure Zenio vs SaSe with Zenio winning it. I would assume that Liquid knows that QxG will use SaSe and rather then risking a PvP, Zenio (who just crushed NaNiwa at IEM) can beat SaSe in a ZvP.

On January 23 2012 08:44 The Final Boss wrote:

That certainly sounds like a stance that NaNiwa would take. I can't understand why he wouldn't be playing other than the fact that his hubris gets in his own way, which is really too bad because whenever he does play he consistently produces excellent games.