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The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 23 2012 04:19 GMT
#121
On January 23 2012 12:07 imPERSONater wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:45 The Final Boss wrote:
Liquid 3-1

(Z)Zenio > (Z)Shuffle
ZvZ is a pretty anybody-can-win sort of match-up, but not when one of those players is Zenio. He has some of the best ZvZ in the world and I don't see Shuffle standing much of a chance. That being said, since it is ZvZ Bo1 anything could happen, but let's be honest, it probably won't. I think Tal'Darim Altar is so big of a map that it's harder for cheeses to work, and I don't see how Shuffle can stand much of a chance against a S-Class ZvZer like Zenio.

(P)LiquidHerO > (P)Agh
Once again, even if PvP is a match-up that produces more build order wins than other match-ups, it is also highly reliant on the micro of the player. Agh is going to need to get lucky to beat HerO.

(Z)TLO < (P)SaSe
I think that from QxG's standpoint, it would have been best to get SaSe matched up against either Ret or one of the Koreans, because he's the one with the best shot, and then they might be able to win it 3-2 with an ace match. TLO is the weakest player that Liquid is sending out, but he's still pretty good. I don't think that with him switching races and SaSe being such a baller that he has a great chance, but TLO's wacky style might favor the Bo1 setting. Regardless, SaSe is a beast, and should be able to beat TLO.

(Z)Ret > (T)theognis
Ret is one of the best foreigners, but he certainly has his weak points. theognis's best chance will certainly be cheesing or dispatching Ret early game, but after Ret starts rolling I don't see theognis being able to stop him.

If it gets to the ace match (which is always a possibility with the Bo1 format) then I figure Zenio vs SaSe with Zenio winning it. I would assume that Liquid knows that QxG will use SaSe and rather then risking a PvP, Zenio (who just crushed NaNiwa at IEM) can beat SaSe in a ZvP.


Dude, talk about spot on lol

I'm proud of my predictions so far. I've managed to predict all the first week and have gotten the set scores of three. But honestly I think that everybody was expecting that outcome, I just put some words after it haha ^^
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
January 23 2012 06:24 GMT
#122
+ Show Spoiler +
Congrats TL
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
January 23 2012 07:20 GMT
#123
On January 23 2012 13:16 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 13:14 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:13 ratzp0li wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:11 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:07 imPERSONater wrote:
On January 23 2012 03:45 The Final Boss wrote:
Liquid 3-1

(Z)Zenio > (Z)Shuffle
ZvZ is a pretty anybody-can-win sort of match-up, but not when one of those players is Zenio. He has some of the best ZvZ in the world and I don't see Shuffle standing much of a chance. That being said, since it is ZvZ Bo1 anything could happen, but let's be honest, it probably won't. I think Tal'Darim Altar is so big of a map that it's harder for cheeses to work, and I don't see how Shuffle can stand much of a chance against a S-Class ZvZer like Zenio.

(P)LiquidHerO > (P)Agh
Once again, even if PvP is a match-up that produces more build order wins than other match-ups, it is also highly reliant on the micro of the player. Agh is going to need to get lucky to beat HerO.

(Z)TLO < (P)SaSe
I think that from QxG's standpoint, it would have been best to get SaSe matched up against either Ret or one of the Koreans, because he's the one with the best shot, and then they might be able to win it 3-2 with an ace match. TLO is the weakest player that Liquid is sending out, but he's still pretty good. I don't think that with him switching races and SaSe being such a baller that he has a great chance, but TLO's wacky style might favor the Bo1 setting. Regardless, SaSe is a beast, and should be able to beat TLO.

(Z)Ret > (T)theognis
Ret is one of the best foreigners, but he certainly has his weak points. theognis's best chance will certainly be cheesing or dispatching Ret early game, but after Ret starts rolling I don't see theognis being able to stop him.

If it gets to the ace match (which is always a possibility with the Bo1 format) then I figure Zenio vs SaSe with Zenio winning it. I would assume that Liquid knows that QxG will use SaSe and rather then risking a PvP, Zenio (who just crushed NaNiwa at IEM) can beat SaSe in a ZvP.


Dude, talk about spot on lol



Did anyone actually expect different? :p

nope, sase is the only really good player out of all of those that can actually beat liquid players consistently.


Makes you wonder why they didnt use Naniwa...

I'm guessing he was tired/just didn't feel like it after losing at IEM

These games are played in advance. This was played before IEM
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ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
January 23 2012 07:50 GMT
#124
Why no Naniwa or Destiny?
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 23 2012 08:07 GMT
#125
On January 23 2012 16:50 ceaRshaf wrote:
Why no Naniwa or Destiny?


Nobody knows why not naniwa, destiny is obvious why he wasn't put on.
When I think of something else, something will go here
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
January 23 2012 08:14 GMT
#126
So that result was kinda obvious, grats to TL! =) To bad nani didnt play, but what can you do.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 23 2012 10:32 GMT
#127
On January 23 2012 17:07 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 16:50 ceaRshaf wrote:
Why no Naniwa or Destiny?


Nobody knows why not naniwa, destiny is obvious why he wasn't put on.

its been said a few times, naniwa had left for iem when we were playing these matches. hero/zenio didn't leave yet so they were available to play.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
January 23 2012 11:05 GMT
#128
Zenio > Shuffle
HerO > Agh
TLO < Sase
Ret > theognis

If Quantic had used Nani or Destiny in the Ret match Id have no doubt that the game would go to an ace match though unfortionatly they arent so that ace match is less likely to happen which would probably be a SaSe vs. Zenio but oh well. It maybe still happen since Ret hasn't been play exceptionally well lately but we'll see.
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
January 23 2012 11:07 GMT
#129
On January 23 2012 17:07 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 16:50 ceaRshaf wrote:
Why no Naniwa or Destiny?


Nobody knows why not naniwa, destiny is obvious why he wasn't put on.

Whats this obvious reason then? He's much improved since his visit to Korea an is doing alot better now then ever before. So I think your inferring that Destiny is trash is false and you should go back and rethink it seeing as how you're if thats the case.
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
Sixes
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1123 Posts
January 23 2012 11:18 GMT
#130
On January 23 2012 20:07 Catatonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 17:07 blade55555 wrote:
On January 23 2012 16:50 ceaRshaf wrote:
Why no Naniwa or Destiny?


Nobody knows why not naniwa, destiny is obvious why he wasn't put on.

Whats this obvious reason then? He's much improved since his visit to Korea an is doing alot better now then ever before. So I think your inferring that Destiny is trash is false and you should go back and rethink it seeing as how you're if thats the case.


Might have been worth getting Destiny v TLO and using Sase against someone else. With TLO switching races his mirror matchup could be quite weak and we all know how crazy ZvZ can be.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
January 23 2012 11:21 GMT
#131
On January 23 2012 20:18 Sixes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 20:07 Catatonic wrote:
On January 23 2012 17:07 blade55555 wrote:
On January 23 2012 16:50 ceaRshaf wrote:
Why no Naniwa or Destiny?


Nobody knows why not naniwa, destiny is obvious why he wasn't put on.

Whats this obvious reason then? He's much improved since his visit to Korea an is doing alot better now then ever before. So I think your inferring that Destiny is trash is false and you should go back and rethink it seeing as how you're if thats the case.


Might have been worth getting Destiny v TLO and using Sase against someone else. With TLO switching races his mirror matchup could be quite weak and we all know how crazy ZvZ can be.


This is exactly what they should have done, but I'm assuming that the NASL didn't just let Quantic choose who their players would play against. There's no point having four games with clear winners.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 23 2012 13:38 GMT
#132
On January 23 2012 20:18 Sixes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 20:07 Catatonic wrote:
On January 23 2012 17:07 blade55555 wrote:
On January 23 2012 16:50 ceaRshaf wrote:
Why no Naniwa or Destiny?


Nobody knows why not naniwa, destiny is obvious why he wasn't put on.

Whats this obvious reason then? He's much improved since his visit to Korea an is doing alot better now then ever before. So I think your inferring that Destiny is trash is false and you should go back and rethink it seeing as how you're if thats the case.


Might have been worth getting Destiny v TLO and using Sase against someone else. With TLO switching races his mirror matchup could be quite weak and we all know how crazy ZvZ can be.


TLO has beaten Nerchio in ZvZ (bo3), who is near the level of Stephano, who is 7-0 against Korean zergs. I don´t think TLO is as strong as those two guys, but the fact, that he is able to beat them, shows, that he should be considered quite strong.
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
January 23 2012 13:58 GMT
#133
GJ Liquid!
KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
January 23 2012 13:59 GMT
#134
Never underestimate the power of the ognis! >_<
hes quite good atm.
http://www.twitter.com/KicKDoG_LoL baylife plox?
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 23 2012 15:00 GMT
#135
With this format and if Naniwa and SaSe plays everytime they can't lose a single series right?
SaSe fan club manager
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
January 23 2012 15:09 GMT
#136
On January 24 2012 00:00 Choboo wrote:
With this format and if Naniwa and SaSe plays everytime they can't lose a single series right?


Naniwa and Sase can actually lose games.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 23 2012 15:11 GMT
#137
On January 23 2012 20:07 Catatonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 17:07 blade55555 wrote:
On January 23 2012 16:50 ceaRshaf wrote:
Why no Naniwa or Destiny?


Nobody knows why not naniwa, destiny is obvious why he wasn't put on.

Whats this obvious reason then? He's much improved since his visit to Korea an is doing alot better now then ever before. So I think your inferring that Destiny is trash is false and you should go back and rethink it seeing as how you're if thats the case.

The only thing destiny could have done was maybe beat TLO while SaSe beats someone else. But Destiny still isn't a top foreigner, and Hero/Zenio/Ret are much better than he is.
Liquid | SKT
spena
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada116 Posts
January 23 2012 15:16 GMT
#138
GJ TL. I agree with Destiny playing agaisnt TLO. It would have been an even and intersting matchup and saving SaSe against a higher tier TL player.
It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire.
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 23 2012 15:26 GMT
#139
On January 24 2012 00:09 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 00:00 Choboo wrote:
With this format and if Naniwa and SaSe plays everytime they can't lose a single series right?


Naniwa and Sase can actually lose games.

Are you sure?
SaSe fan club manager
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
January 23 2012 16:15 GMT
#140
On January 23 2012 03:45 The Final Boss wrote:
Liquid 3-1

(Z)Zenio > (Z)Shuffle
ZvZ is a pretty anybody-can-win sort of match-up, but not when one of those players is Zenio. He has some of the best ZvZ in the world and I don't see Shuffle standing much of a chance. That being said, since it is ZvZ Bo1 anything could happen, but let's be honest, it probably won't. I think Tal'Darim Altar is so big of a map that it's harder for cheeses to work, and I don't see how Shuffle can stand much of a chance against a S-Class ZvZer like Zenio.

(P)LiquidHerO > (P)Agh
Once again, even if PvP is a match-up that produces more build order wins than other match-ups, it is also highly reliant on the micro of the player. Agh is going to need to get lucky to beat HerO.

(Z)TLO < (P)SaSe
I think that from QxG's standpoint, it would have been best to get SaSe matched up against either Ret or one of the Koreans, because he's the one with the best shot, and then they might be able to win it 3-2 with an ace match. TLO is the weakest player that Liquid is sending out, but he's still pretty good. I don't think that with him switching races and SaSe being such a baller that he has a great chance, but TLO's wacky style might favor the Bo1 setting. Regardless, SaSe is a beast, and should be able to beat TLO.

(Z)Ret > (T)theognis
Ret is one of the best foreigners, but he certainly has his weak points. theognis's best chance will certainly be cheesing or dispatching Ret early game, but after Ret starts rolling I don't see theognis being able to stop him.

If it gets to the ace match (which is always a possibility with the Bo1 format) then I figure Zenio vs SaSe with Zenio winning it. I would assume that Liquid knows that QxG will use SaSe and rather then risking a PvP, Zenio (who just crushed NaNiwa at IEM) can beat SaSe in a ZvP.


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