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No July  Oh well on the plus side at least we don't have to hear Cliiiiiiide anymore.
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On December 24 2011 07:33 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 06:07 devPLEASE wrote:On December 24 2011 05:58 HinagikUx wrote:On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily". Hero lost to Mvp in the Blizz Cup. His vT is decent but not astounding. I'm not sure you can say losing to MVP is a huge blow to his reputation. I mean, MVP is MVP.
MVP is not that great at TvP record wise so I think his remark is somewhat justified.
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Damn, the deciding match for herO was PvP
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Does anyone know when the group selections are?
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t.T I really wanted to see July in Code S next season. He was SO close
O well YuGiOh was, IMO, the surprise of the Up/Down matches.
Congratulations to Mr. Teamless JYP
On December 24 2011 09:54 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Does anyone know when the group selections are?
I could be wrong but I remember reading that the Ro32 is random seeding and the group selection takes place for the Ro16
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On December 24 2011 09:54 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Does anyone know when the group selections are?
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls1/
not until after code A qualifiers and the round of 32 for code S.
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On December 24 2011 01:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 01:13 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 01:05 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. Hero wouldn't be in Up-and-Downs if he was so magically proficient in BO3s. If he didn't do that hasty timing push against July he would probably be Code S. Magically... lol. I might be wrong, but I think he was suffering from jet lag when he was playing his matches vs asd. And my statement still stands, I think he'd win a bo3 vs both July and JYP, just because he's a better player, and anyone can win a bo1. He got tricked by asd's opener and prepared for a 1-1-1 which never came. There's no way to say whether Hero is better than them based off playing worse competition.
well, to be honest, every single toss player ppl are talking about here has beated by same sore of strategies from terrans.
If he cannot deal with the trick from asd, you should not expect Hero to do well in Code S.
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Code S is slightly different this year.
For the Ro32, they will just have the 8 seeds (top 8 from GSL Nov) put into 8 seperate groups and then there other 24 players will be random. So we can get weird groups like All Slayers group and such.
The Group Selection will actually take place for Ro16 but no idea who gets to pick and in which order. I assume the players get that Top Seed from the Ro32 Groups will get to pick but there will be 8 of them and only 4 groups... Will have to see what they do.
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On December 24 2011 06:12 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 06:03 HinagikUx wrote:On December 24 2011 05:53 Olinimm wrote:On December 24 2011 05:46 msjakofsky wrote:On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats. heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver genius: 38- blizzcon gold oz: 36 1 silver sangho: 22 yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it) to make a fair comparison: hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are Plus 1 of hero's golds isn't even a major lan so it doesn't count really. Not that i dont love MC, but his achievements are REALLY outdated and he won the majority of these tournaments when his gate timings were actually working. Hero is relatively new, and the metagame has changed since then + the foreigner events such as MLG have many more koreans that attend now (such as mma, bomber, july, and mvp and nestea at providence), so its much harder to take a gold or silver. Genius's blizzcon win was seriously right when sc2 came out, and PvZ standard was still 4gate. This statistic doesnt prove shit, its better to look at the quality of the games and the competition at the event. Learn to make a good argument. Even his more recent achievements are better than Hero's. Making it back to Code S, 2nd at an MLG, and getting to the semifinals of Blizzard cup is more impressive than 2nd at NASL and 1st at Dreamhack, especially when he beat all foreigners except PuMa, and now yet again failed to make Code S.
I like Hero and he is a good player but at least at the moment he is not playing at Mc's level.
After joining Liquid, he competed in every sinle MLG, if he is in fact a codes level player, I guess he should be in codeS right now. ( at the same time he also competed in Code A)
MMA went to MLG a couple time, get his code S seed. Same to DRG. So what about Mc.
Always stay in Code S. get knock out once, go to MLG and got the seed right away.
Mc's result against Puma not as good as Hero. Maybe, but not forget that a lot of games Mc played against Puma were played on worse maps and in a less toss favored patch.
Hero's games against Puma were played on better maps, with better patch and he also can learn from Mc's games before he played.
Everyone Hero can beat, Mc can beat too.
In codeA ro24, Mc faced Bomber and Hero faced asd. One got his codes seed and one lost.
and then Blizz cup, same group same opponent,....
We only can argue Hero is better after he shows us more results...
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Since the Up/Downs are over, what's the race distribution for Code S now?
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On December 24 2011 09:54 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Does anyone know when the group selections are?
It seems there is no group selection in the coming season. Format changed .
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Looking forward to Brown, Keen, Jjakji and Leenock this season. With the new format, each player plays a HUGE amount more games, so if a player gets to the Ro16, we will really see their play alot, which is awesome.
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On December 24 2011 11:16 HolyArrow wrote:
Since the Up/Downs are over, what's the race distribution for Code S now?
You should have a rough idea about this without even thinking.
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On December 24 2011 11:19 double620 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 11:16 HolyArrow wrote:
Since the Up/Downs are over, what's the race distribution for Code S now? You should have a rough idea about this without even thinking.
Sure I do. But I'm just looking for at least a trend toward the race distribution evening out a bit, even if it doesn't all happen in one season.
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On December 24 2011 11:22 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 11:19 double620 wrote:On December 24 2011 11:16 HolyArrow wrote:
Since the Up/Downs are over, what's the race distribution for Code S now? You should have a rough idea about this without even thinking. Sure I do. But I'm just looking for at least a trend toward the race distribution evening out a bit, even if it doesn't all happen in one season.
I think it is like 15 terran, 9 zergs and 8 tosses.
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On December 24 2011 11:26 double620 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 11:22 HolyArrow wrote:On December 24 2011 11:19 double620 wrote:On December 24 2011 11:16 HolyArrow wrote:
Since the Up/Downs are over, what's the race distribution for Code S now? You should have a rough idea about this without even thinking. Sure I do. But I'm just looking for at least a trend toward the race distribution evening out a bit, even if it doesn't all happen in one season. I think it is like 15 terran, 9 zergs and 8 tosses.
There are 8 zergs and 9 tosses actually.
But yea, the distribution is improving.
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On December 24 2011 11:51 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 11:26 double620 wrote:On December 24 2011 11:22 HolyArrow wrote:On December 24 2011 11:19 double620 wrote:On December 24 2011 11:16 HolyArrow wrote:
Since the Up/Downs are over, what's the race distribution for Code S now? You should have a rough idea about this without even thinking. Sure I do. But I'm just looking for at least a trend toward the race distribution evening out a bit, even if it doesn't all happen in one season. I think it is like 15 terran, 9 zergs and 8 tosses. There are 8 zergs and 9 tosses actually. But yea, the distribution is improving.
Other way around. Puzzle, Brown, PartinG, Oz, MC, Inca, Genius, JYP.
Eight Protoss.
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On December 24 2011 05:46 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats. heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver genius: 38- blizzcon gold oz: 36 1 silver sangho: 22 yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it) to make a fair comparison: hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are
If you had read it properly, you would note that "chance to fly overseas" clearly indicates the discussion in context of LAN tournaments, so your numbers are severely incorrect. That also leaves Oz with zero medals. I'll grant Genius his blizzcon win - which, you forgot to note, happened wayyy back in October of 2010, where the only other korean competition was Maka, who now isn't even in code A, clearly demonstrating how that tournament ins't really reflective of high level play now. That's like claiming that Jinro is one of the best Terrans because he won an MLG in 2010. As much as I love TL/Jinro, that faulty logic just doesn't work out. Hero's very recent dreamhack win EASILY trumps Genius' achievement at blizzcon.
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On December 24 2011 11:58 fatalities wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 11:51 wklbishop wrote:On December 24 2011 11:26 double620 wrote:On December 24 2011 11:22 HolyArrow wrote:On December 24 2011 11:19 double620 wrote:On December 24 2011 11:16 HolyArrow wrote:
Since the Up/Downs are over, what's the race distribution for Code S now? You should have a rough idea about this without even thinking. Sure I do. But I'm just looking for at least a trend toward the race distribution evening out a bit, even if it doesn't all happen in one season. I think it is like 15 terran, 9 zergs and 8 tosses. There are 8 zergs and 9 tosses actually. But yea, the distribution is improving. Other way around. Puzzle, Brown, PartinG, Oz, MC, Inca, Genius, JYP. Eight Protoss.
excellent line up for Protoss. I think these are the best Protosses in the world right now. They all have good control and mind set in early, mid and late game. Inca and JYP may be a lil weaker but they could do very well.
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On December 24 2011 05:58 HinagikUx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily".
MakaPrime was #1 on the Korean ladder recently. And he has done...what?
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