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On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.
Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats.
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Yugioh!!!! Way to win and show all the haters. Hopefully he doesn't get picked by a teammate for the group of death again.
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Holy crap, didn't expect Yugioh but after seeing that bel shir beach game that was pretty nuts how he plays. And so close for July that sucks so much
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On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats.
heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver
genius: 38- blizzcon gold
oz: 36 1 silver
sangho: 22
yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it)
to make a fair comparison:
hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver
mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze
you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are
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On December 24 2011 05:46 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats. heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver genius: 38- blizzcon gold oz: 36 1 silver sangho: 22 yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it) to make a fair comparison: hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are
Plus 1 of hero's golds isn't even a major lan so it doesn't count really.
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On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.
lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily".
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Meh, results aside Hero is still the most impressive Protoss in the world to watch. His micro/multi-task are phenominal and his strategies are completely innovative, it's just gonna take him more time to refine and perfect his play over other Protoss who have a one dimensional style. I'm always looking forward to seeing him play again, and I don't even like Protoss.
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On December 24 2011 05:53 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 05:46 msjakofsky wrote:On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats. heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver genius: 38- blizzcon gold oz: 36 1 silver sangho: 22 yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it) to make a fair comparison: hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are Plus 1 of hero's golds isn't even a major lan so it doesn't count really.
Not that i dont love MC, but his achievements are REALLY outdated and he won the majority of these tournaments when his gate timings were actually working. Hero is relatively new, and the metagame has changed since then + the foreigner events such as MLG have many more koreans that attend now (such as mma, bomber, july, and mvp and nestea at providence), so its much harder to take a gold or silver. Genius's blizzcon win was seriously right when sc2 came out, and PvZ standard was still 4gate. This statistic doesnt prove shit, its better to look at the quality of the games and the competition at the event. Learn to make a good argument.
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On December 24 2011 05:59 Tachion wrote:
Meh, results aside Hero is still the most impressive Protoss in the world to watch. His micro/multi-task are phenominal and his strategies are completely innovative, it's just gonna take him more time to refine and perfect his play over other Protoss who have a one dimensional style. I'm always looking forward to seeing him play again, and I don't even like Protoss.
Well, I like Hero a lot, but to be fair, people have been saying this for a LOONG ass time, he needs to start reaping some results or it's gonna be really hard on him, particularly considering his apparent personality.
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On December 24 2011 05:58 HinagikUx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily".
Hero lost to Mvp in the Blizz Cup. His vT is decent but not astounding.
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On December 24 2011 05:58 HinagikUx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily".
Haha puma can't even make it to code S either.
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On December 24 2011 06:03 HinagikUx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 05:53 Olinimm wrote:On December 24 2011 05:46 msjakofsky wrote:On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats. heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver genius: 38- blizzcon gold oz: 36 1 silver sangho: 22 yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it) to make a fair comparison: hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are Plus 1 of hero's golds isn't even a major lan so it doesn't count really. Not that i dont love MC, but his achievements are REALLY outdated and he won the majority of these tournaments when his gate timings were actually working. Hero is relatively new, and the metagame has changed since then + the foreigner events such as MLG have many more koreans that attend now (such as mma, bomber, july, and mvp and nestea at providence), so its much harder to take a gold or silver. Genius's blizzcon win was seriously right when sc2 came out, and PvZ standard was still 4gate. This statistic doesnt prove shit, its better to look at the quality of the games and the competition at the event. Learn to make a good argument.
Even his more recent achievements are better than Hero's. Making it back to Code S, 2nd at an MLG, and getting to the semifinals of Blizzard cup is more impressive than 2nd at NASL and 1st at Dreamhack, especially when he beat all foreigners except PuMa, and now yet again failed to make Code S.
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On December 24 2011 06:03 HinagikUx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 05:53 Olinimm wrote:On December 24 2011 05:46 msjakofsky wrote:On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats. heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver genius: 38- blizzcon gold oz: 36 1 silver sangho: 22 yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it) to make a fair comparison: hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are Plus 1 of hero's golds isn't even a major lan so it doesn't count really. Not that i dont love MC, but his achievements are REALLY outdated and he won the majority of these tournaments when his gate timings were actually working. Hero is relatively new, and the metagame has changed since then + the foreigner events such as MLG have many more koreans that attend now (such as mma, bomber, july, and mvp and nestea at providence), so its much harder to take a gold or silver. Genius's blizzcon win was seriously right when sc2 came out, and PvZ standard was still 4gate. This statistic doesnt prove shit, its better to look at the quality of the games and the competition at the event. Learn to make a good argument.
to be fair MC recently beat MVP, Leenock, MKP, STC, Puma, Bomber with those timings. one of hero's golds doesn't matter either following this logic cuz it was so long ago. plus he'd still stomp all the foreigners that are not p, in the foreign scene only his pvp has became mortal. in hero's single recent gold and silver tournys the only opponent that MC wouldn't have been massively favored against was Puma, and MC beat him last time they met, when pvt was still shitty. it became much better for the protoss since then.
learn to be less biased. Hero's good but not as special as u trying to make it
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clide and sangho will definitely cease to be names by the second code A round.
and Creator prime is THE single best protoss in creating strategies. he is the CREATOR of modern PvT, PvZ, and was one of the three that began the changes in PvP as well.
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On December 24 2011 06:07 devPLEASE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 05:58 HinagikUx wrote:On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily". Hero lost to Mvp in the Blizz Cup. His vT is decent but not astounding.
he got marine scv allinned when he went nexus first.......
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JYP YES!!!!!!!!
Yugioh, sure
no hero  oh well
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yugioh wowzers. maybe we underestimated you.
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On December 24 2011 06:07 devPLEASE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 05:58 HinagikUx wrote:On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes. Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more. Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man. This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros. There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond. lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily". Hero lost to Mvp in the Blizz Cup. His vT is decent but not astounding.
I'm not sure you can say losing to MVP is a huge blow to his reputation.
I mean, MVP is MVP.
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On December 24 2011 06:57 GreyKnight wrote:
he got marine scv allinned when he went nexus first.......
I'm surprised HerO still goes Nexus first after DHW Game 6, and after seeing HuK vs Keen.
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EPT
