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LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
December 23 2011 20:13 GMT
#2201
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.


Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats.
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
December 23 2011 20:36 GMT
#2202
Yugioh!!!! Way to win and show all the haters. Hopefully he doesn't get picked by a teammate for the group of death again.
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
December 23 2011 20:37 GMT
#2203
Holy crap, didn't expect Yugioh but after seeing that bel shir beach game that was pretty nuts how he plays. And so close for July that sucks so much
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
December 23 2011 20:46 GMT
#2204
On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.


Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats.


heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver

genius: 38- blizzcon gold
oz: 36 1 silver
sangho: 22


yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it)

to make a fair comparison:

hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver
mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze

you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 20:53:35
December 23 2011 20:53 GMT
#2205
On December 24 2011 05:46 msjakofsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.


Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats.


heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver

genius: 38- blizzcon gold
oz: 36 1 silver
sangho: 22


yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it)

to make a fair comparison:

hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver
mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze

you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are

Plus 1 of hero's golds isn't even a major lan so it doesn't count really.
HinagikUx
Profile Joined January 2011
United States178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 20:59:28
December 23 2011 20:58 GMT
#2206
On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.




lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily".
uGpTaiga/HinagikUx NA Server
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 20:59:46
December 23 2011 20:59 GMT
#2207
Meh, results aside Hero is still the most impressive Protoss in the world to watch. His micro/multi-task are phenominal and his strategies are completely innovative, it's just gonna take him more time to refine and perfect his play over other Protoss who have a one dimensional style. I'm always looking forward to seeing him play again, and I don't even like Protoss.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
HinagikUx
Profile Joined January 2011
United States178 Posts
December 23 2011 21:03 GMT
#2208
On December 24 2011 05:53 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 05:46 msjakofsky wrote:
On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.


Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats.


heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver

genius: 38- blizzcon gold
oz: 36 1 silver
sangho: 22


yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it)

to make a fair comparison:

hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver
mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze

you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are

Plus 1 of hero's golds isn't even a major lan so it doesn't count really.


Not that i dont love MC, but his achievements are REALLY outdated and he won the majority of these tournaments when his gate timings were actually working. Hero is relatively new, and the metagame has changed since then + the foreigner events such as MLG have many more koreans that attend now (such as mma, bomber, july, and mvp and nestea at providence), so its much harder to take a gold or silver. Genius's blizzcon win was seriously right when sc2 came out, and PvZ standard was still 4gate. This statistic doesnt prove shit, its better to look at the quality of the games and the competition at the event. Learn to make a good argument.
uGpTaiga/HinagikUx NA Server
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
December 23 2011 21:03 GMT
#2209
On December 24 2011 05:59 Tachion wrote:
Meh, results aside Hero is still the most impressive Protoss in the world to watch. His micro/multi-task are phenominal and his strategies are completely innovative, it's just gonna take him more time to refine and perfect his play over other Protoss who have a one dimensional style. I'm always looking forward to seeing him play again, and I don't even like Protoss.

Well, I like Hero a lot, but to be fair, people have been saying this for a LOONG ass time, he needs to start reaping some results or it's gonna be really hard on him, particularly considering his apparent personality.
devPLEASE
Profile Joined March 2011
Kenya605 Posts
December 23 2011 21:07 GMT
#2210
On December 24 2011 05:58 HinagikUx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.




lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily".


Hero lost to Mvp in the Blizz Cup. His vT is decent but not astounding.
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NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
December 23 2011 21:10 GMT
#2211
On December 24 2011 05:58 HinagikUx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.




lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily".


Haha puma can't even make it to code S either.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 21:12:43
December 23 2011 21:12 GMT
#2212
On December 24 2011 06:03 HinagikUx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 05:53 Olinimm wrote:
On December 24 2011 05:46 msjakofsky wrote:
On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.


Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats.


heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver

genius: 38- blizzcon gold
oz: 36 1 silver
sangho: 22


yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it)

to make a fair comparison:

hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver
mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze

you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are

Plus 1 of hero's golds isn't even a major lan so it doesn't count really.


Not that i dont love MC, but his achievements are REALLY outdated and he won the majority of these tournaments when his gate timings were actually working. Hero is relatively new, and the metagame has changed since then + the foreigner events such as MLG have many more koreans that attend now (such as mma, bomber, july, and mvp and nestea at providence), so its much harder to take a gold or silver. Genius's blizzcon win was seriously right when sc2 came out, and PvZ standard was still 4gate. This statistic doesnt prove shit, its better to look at the quality of the games and the competition at the event. Learn to make a good argument.

Even his more recent achievements are better than Hero's. Making it back to Code S, 2nd at an MLG, and getting to the semifinals of Blizzard cup is more impressive than 2nd at NASL and 1st at Dreamhack, especially when he beat all foreigners except PuMa, and now yet again failed to make Code S.
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
December 23 2011 21:14 GMT
#2213
On December 24 2011 06:03 HinagikUx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 05:53 Olinimm wrote:
On December 24 2011 05:46 msjakofsky wrote:
On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.


Oz, Killer, and Genius have all competed in foreign tournaments. None of them have replicated or bested Hero's overseas feats.


heros international games played: 241, 2 gold 1 silver

genius: 38- blizzcon gold
oz: 36 1 silver
sangho: 22


yeah, it's a fair comparison. hero is much more succesful in proportion (this was sarcasm if you didn't get it)

to make a fair comparison:

hero: 241, 2 gold 1 silver
mc: 262, 3 gold, 4 silver, 2 bronze

you see now how astounding hero's overseas feats are

Plus 1 of hero's golds isn't even a major lan so it doesn't count really.


Not that i dont love MC, but his achievements are REALLY outdated and he won the majority of these tournaments when his gate timings were actually working. Hero is relatively new, and the metagame has changed since then + the foreigner events such as MLG have many more koreans that attend now (such as mma, bomber, july, and mvp and nestea at providence), so its much harder to take a gold or silver. Genius's blizzcon win was seriously right when sc2 came out, and PvZ standard was still 4gate. This statistic doesnt prove shit, its better to look at the quality of the games and the competition at the event. Learn to make a good argument.


to be fair MC recently beat MVP, Leenock, MKP, STC, Puma, Bomber with those timings. one of hero's golds doesn't matter either following this logic cuz it was so long ago. plus he'd still stomp all the foreigners that are not p, in the foreign scene only his pvp has became mortal. in hero's single recent gold and silver tournys the only opponent that MC wouldn't have been massively favored against was Puma, and MC beat him last time they met, when pvt was still shitty. it became much better for the protoss since then.

learn to be less biased. Hero's good but not as special as u trying to make it
jkang
Profile Joined May 2011
United States404 Posts
December 23 2011 21:19 GMT
#2214
YES JYP
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 23 2011 21:26 GMT
#2215
clide and sangho will definitely cease to be names by the second code A round.


and Creator prime is THE single best protoss in creating strategies. he is the CREATOR of modern PvT, PvZ, and was one of the three that began the changes in PvP as well.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 23 2011 21:57 GMT
#2216
On December 24 2011 06:07 devPLEASE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 05:58 HinagikUx wrote:
On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.




lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily".


Hero lost to Mvp in the Blizz Cup. His vT is decent but not astounding.


he got marine scv allinned when he went nexus first.......
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
December 23 2011 22:07 GMT
#2217
JYP YES!!!!!!!!

Yugioh, sure

no hero oh well
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 23 2011 22:29 GMT
#2218
yugioh wowzers. maybe we underestimated you.
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
December 23 2011 22:33 GMT
#2219
On December 24 2011 06:07 devPLEASE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 05:58 HinagikUx wrote:
On December 24 2011 05:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
On December 24 2011 02:28 vnlegend wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:59 Dauntless wrote:

On December 24 2011 00:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well I guess that settles that with Hero. He's not code S caliber and worse than many Korean protosses. Luckily for him he has the support to fly out to foreign events and win more prizes.

Derp. "Well, that certainly settles it.". Way to judge off of the stupid format of the up & down matches. If it wasn't such a stupid format, he'd have a much greater chance of advancing. I have serious doubts that July and JYP would best him in a Bo3 or more.

Also, Khaldor's casting is incredibly bad. He never contributes to anything that we're not actually seeing on the main screen. He has no understanding of neither Protoss nor Terran, and is constantly predicting wrong outcomes of battles etc. And he can't seem to ever get the names right. Focus, man.

This guy conveniently forgot that Hero has been playing in the GSL for over a year in Korea and never got far in Code A or reached Code S. There's a pattern of denial here where Hero is "one of the best" despite always being eliminated by any number of random Korean pros.

There are plenty of Protosses better than Hero in Korea. They just never got the chance to fly overseas and roflstomp foreigners. Any of these guys would replicate if not best Hero's overseas feats: Oz, Killer, JYP, Puzzle, Sage, Genius, Creator, Tassadar, etc. It's called being the big fish in a small pond.




lol, hero is definitely better than creator/tassadar and JYP (at PvT for sure). You cant make assumptions about play in foreigner events. Hero can hold his own vs Puma, and puma iirc was top 3 on the korean ladder for awhile with a really high win%. No use in making blind assumptions that "oh if this person went to mlg, theyd make it far easily".


Hero lost to Mvp in the Blizz Cup. His vT is decent but not astounding.


I'm not sure you can say losing to MVP is a huge blow to his reputation.

I mean, MVP is MVP.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
December 23 2011 22:33 GMT
#2220
On December 24 2011 06:57 GreyKnight wrote:
he got marine scv allinned when he went nexus first.......


I'm surprised HerO still goes Nexus first after DHW Game 6, and after seeing HuK vs Keen.
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