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On December 14 2011 02:58 Olinimm wrote:
lol Nani 1-12 in TLPD. And people were calling him best toss after Providence(cough tasteless)
To me this makes his decision to throw the game even worse. He does have something to gain, namely to show that can actually win a game in GSL. Honestly, he is on his way to becoming a laughing stock, as he pretty much has the worst record in GSL history (I cannot even think of anyone that comes close).
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On December 14 2011 02:28 Terrestrialrage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:14 solidONE wrote:
Athletes are always regarded to have their pride over everything else, when the behind the scenes in any sport obviously tells you otherwise. All they give a damn about is their money and contract opportunities. You always see worse play when nothing is the line no matter what it is. That's all fine and good, people can play for whatever reason they want, but there are many teams in the NFL that won't make the playoffs this year. Do they go out there and give half-ass performances? Rams put on a show last night (until the 4th quarter) and they're 2-11. The difference is, professionals play even when they have nothing to gain because they have a reputation to uphold, sponsors to play for, and fans to play for. Naniwa slapped Gom, his fans, and Nestea in the face by not playing this game. I'm not a fan of any of the players involved or an anti-fan, but the blatant disregard that Naniwa had for all other aspects of his decision-making shows how completely immature and not-ready he is to be a professional ANYTHING, let alone a professional on a world-wide level.
Damn right!
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On December 14 2011 02:33 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:26 dolvlo wrote:On December 14 2011 01:40 Usagi wrote:
Have to love Wolf saying he would find apropiate 110% a 6 months ban for Naniwa, elitism to the max, lost quite some respect really, people in a position of power shouldnt say such things. Did he really say this? What a joke. Wolf, you're full of shit. If anything, Naniwa did GOM and blizzard a favor: attitude gets attention, and people love the entertainment. Professional organizations need to also watch their reputation. If all they are doing is catering to spoiled brats, it speaks to the maturity and professionalism of the league. They need to explain why people shouldn't be ashamed to have their product represented by this league. Showmanship and entertainment is one thing, compromising the integrity of the game is whole other thing. I don't like how people are DOWN playing this. What is the difference between this and match fixing? Yes, nothing was on the line, but he is still getting paid almost as much as a Runner Up of Code A. And Naniwa couldn't come anywhere close to getting that, since it's also hard as hell to get. A lot of the arguments are very objective, including mine, the bottom line should be (repeat): How is this different from match fixing? Coca got pulled for GSL completely. Player in the past had much worse consequences. There isn't any betting or money changing hands this time, but standards of professionalism need to be set and enforced for the sport to be taken seriously and not turn into a sideshow or joke.
Exactly. if anyone here is serious about esports and they actaully want to help it grow, they must do everything in their power to prevent such immature displays in the future.
Nazgul was correct to write on this tread that his attitude by Naniwa was a middle finger to Gom, the fans, his opponents and everyone who made that possible.
I am not saying here that we should condemn Naniwa for it, after all a lot of pros came to his defence, it just shows that they do not understand how sports work.
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On December 14 2011 03:59 Lann555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:58 Olinimm wrote:
lol Nani 1-12 in TLPD. And people were calling him best toss after Providence(cough tasteless) To me this makes his decision to throw the game even worse. He does have something to gain, namely to show that can actually win a game in GSL. Honestly, he is on his way to becoming a laughing stock, as he pretty much has the worst record in GSL history (I cannot even think of anyone that comes close).
Also even if the foreign community dosent care, its clear that the koreans do. If he intends on staying in korea i wouldnt really call it the greatest of ideas to alienate thoes who he could have ended up training for matches with in the future. While i can agree it was bad to have a match that really dosent matter take place, throwing it is just a even worse idea since no one will end up taking you serious. I really wonder if hes going to be staying at the startale house long term after this incident...
I just hope koreans make a group of death in code s and picks him for the last spot and see how he does then.
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I have lost all respect to naniwa for disrespecting EVERYONE by just throwing the game......
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Man, Jason Lake must be so proud of himself right now. He really realized what a liability Naniwa truly was
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MMA! MMA! so happy mma got 1st! WOOT!
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On December 14 2011 02:28 Terrestrialrage wrote:
That's all fine and good, people can play for whatever reason they want, but there are many teams in the NFL that won't make the playoffs this year. Do they go out there and give half-ass performances? Rams put on a show last night (until the 4th quarter) and they're 2-11. The difference is, professionals play even when they have nothing to gain because they have a reputation to uphold, sponsors to play for, and fans to play for. Naniwa slapped Gom, his fans, and Nestea in the face by not playing this game. I'm not a fan of any of the players involved or an anti-fan, but the blatant disregard that Naniwa had for all other aspects of his decision-making shows how completely immature and not-ready he is to be a professional ANYTHING, let alone a professional on a world-wide level.
Very well said.
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holy shit did i miss something crazy when i wnet to bed  seems like a pretty immature and childish thing for Naniwa hope its meant with some discipline
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On December 14 2011 03:59 Lann555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:58 Olinimm wrote:
lol Nani 1-12 in TLPD. And people were calling him best toss after Providence(cough tasteless) To me this makes his decision to throw the game even worse. He does have something to gain, namely to show that can actually win a game in GSL. Honestly, he is on his way to becoming a laughing stock, as he pretty much has the worst record in GSL history (I cannot even think of anyone that comes close).
Oh come on... You really think people would care if he would have won Vs. Nestea?
I can see it now without exaggeration: "It was a meaningless match, Nestea was probably holding back because he has Code S coming up in a few weeks
Best part would be that it is true. Even if they had a "real" game, Naniwa would have not played his best, and Nestea probably would have messed about.
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On December 14 2011 04:05 nvrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:33 MrCash wrote:On December 14 2011 02:26 dolvlo wrote:On December 14 2011 01:40 Usagi wrote:
Have to love Wolf saying he would find apropiate 110% a 6 months ban for Naniwa, elitism to the max, lost quite some respect really, people in a position of power shouldnt say such things. Did he really say this? What a joke. Wolf, you're full of shit. If anything, Naniwa did GOM and blizzard a favor: attitude gets attention, and people love the entertainment. Professional organizations need to also watch their reputation. If all they are doing is catering to spoiled brats, it speaks to the maturity and professionalism of the league. They need to explain why people shouldn't be ashamed to have their product represented by this league. Showmanship and entertainment is one thing, compromising the integrity of the game is whole other thing. I don't like how people are DOWN playing this. What is the difference between this and match fixing? Yes, nothing was on the line, but he is still getting paid almost as much as a Runner Up of Code A. And Naniwa couldn't come anywhere close to getting that, since it's also hard as hell to get. A lot of the arguments are very objective, including mine, the bottom line should be (repeat): How is this different from match fixing? Coca got pulled for GSL completely. Player in the past had much worse consequences. There isn't any betting or money changing hands this time, but standards of professionalism need to be set and enforced for the sport to be taken seriously and not turn into a sideshow or joke. Exactly. if anyone here is serious about esports and they actaully want to help it grow, they must do everything in their power to prevent such immature displays in the future. Nazgul was correct to write on this tread that his attitude by Naniwa was a middle finger to Gom, the fans, his opponents and everyone who made that possible. I am not saying here that we should condemn Naniwa for it, after all a lot of pros came to his defence, it just shows that they do not understand how sports work.
Consenting to play mediocre games because of a lack of motivation and then do nothing in an effort to make sure that the cause of that lack of motivation is dealt with is also disrespecting to the fans. That's what most players do when faced with a situation like this, and in the case of the Koreans they then have the gall to claim otherwise and bad-mouth NaNiWa for making the decision to forfeit and let the tournament move on to actual pro play.
GOM is giving everyone the biggest finger of all, making a format that forces distraught players who have lost to keep playing for nothing, and promotes mediocre play, unfair competition and even matchmaking in the case of a teammate or friend who has no chance to advance playing one that has.
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You know... I have given Naniwa many chances to get back on my good side. But he just did something to me that's unacceptable. Don't get me wrong I agree that the match was pointless, but it wasn't pointless for the tournament organizers and spectators. The tournament is a tournament of champions, so it's really a tournament of show matches, and frankly I would have to say that the vast majority of people were looking forward to Nestea trying to get revenge against Nanaiwa. He should have shown respect to Nestea and GomTV to actually play the match because he was invited to play in the tournament to play the matches.
edit; Also, look at what MC said in his tweet in the other thread. I think that is the best thing that has been said so far.
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Naniwa owns, sorry. He played an amazing game vs Leenock, didn't win but I've never seen such good ff+storms. Also created like a dozen threads full of drama. MMA can't do that. Nestea can't do that. Only Naniwa.
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haha I didn't see the match but you can imagine the crowd: 'and this is the rematch everyone has been waiting for and.........................Naniwa throws it'
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On December 14 2011 04:45 fourColo wrote:
Naniwa owns, sorry. He played an amazing game vs Leenock, didn't win but I've never seen such good ff+storms. Also created like a dozen threads full of drama. MMA can't do that. Nestea can't do that. Only Naniwa.
im sure if MMA or nestea acted like naniwa did there would be huge drama.
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On December 14 2011 04:47 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:45 fourColo wrote:
Naniwa owns, sorry. He played an amazing game vs Leenock, didn't win but I've never seen such good ff+storms. Also created like a dozen threads full of drama. MMA can't do that. Nestea can't do that. Only Naniwa. im sure if MMA or nestea acted like naniwa did there would be huge drama.
But they didn't and probably never will.
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It doesn't seem like naniwa's character to throw games away, just recently he was saying how he would work so hard and give it his all, all the time. What happened to old naniwa?
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On December 14 2011 04:48 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:47 GreyKnight wrote:On December 14 2011 04:45 fourColo wrote:
Naniwa owns, sorry. He played an amazing game vs Leenock, didn't win but I've never seen such good ff+storms. Also created like a dozen threads full of drama. MMA can't do that. Nestea can't do that. Only Naniwa. im sure if MMA or nestea acted like naniwa did there would be huge drama. But they didn't and probably never will.
yes because they're not drama queens and care about their public perception.
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On December 14 2011 04:48 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:47 GreyKnight wrote:On December 14 2011 04:45 fourColo wrote:
Naniwa owns, sorry. He played an amazing game vs Leenock, didn't win but I've never seen such good ff+storms. Also created like a dozen threads full of drama. MMA can't do that. Nestea can't do that. Only Naniwa. im sure if MMA or nestea acted like naniwa did there would be huge drama. But they didn't and probably never will.
How does creating a shitstorm qualify as a talent? I think Naniwa would probably be a lot happier if posts about him were all "hard luck Naniwa", "you'll do better next time", "good luck in Code S Nani!" rather than "Naniwa doesn't count as a pro", "Nani just made an anti-fan", "Should GOM or StarTale take action against him?!"
Not saying whether what he did was good or bad, just that even he won't agree with you about being amazing BECAUSE the LR thread became a clusterfuck over what he did.
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On December 13 2011 23:15 MorroW wrote:
because both were out of the tournament the game didnt matter. why do they even have the game in the first place?
its kinda silly because both players have no reason to fight their hardest or show potential secret builds
he probably wasnt allowed to give walkover so he just did whatever ended the game the quickest
do you guys really wanna watch 2 guys play a casual game during GSL blizzard cup where neither of them cares about winning?
im not saying what naniwa did was right or wrong, or manner or bad manner. im just saying i think the system should allow for walkovers if they players request it if the game has no meaning If players should be able to just forfeit games that mean nothing then what exactly are they paied for? Not trying to be a smartass, it's a genuine question, I read that the players in Blizz cup got like $900 for the group stage, should they get all that money if they don't play the games to the best of their ability? If not what are they paied to do?
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