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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable. And as always: - No player bashing. - No caster bashing. - No balance whining. Enjoy the games. | ||
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:58 quen wrote: Fell asleep before final game (literally with iphone earbuds still in my ears) , but quite glad MC won his game and stephano is out. A GSL multi-winner ranking below a foreignet wouldve been embarassing. To be fair he hasn't done anything for months. | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On December 13 2011 02:00 mordk wrote: Stephano lost to MVP because MVP is by far the better player AND because he prepared a specific build to take him down easily. That much is obvious when you read the interview in which he thanks his GF for recording Stephano's stream and showing it to him. Geeez this build has nothing specific, it's standard to do heavy BFH harass against zerg, NVP chose this build because he knew it would probably be the best answer against Stephano start, and that it would allow him to transition easily in something else if stephano decided to do something different. I'd bet that Stephano KNEW that BFH were incoming, he thought he could defend it as he has done so many times before against this same push, but he couldn't because MVP battle management was better. That's it. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 13 2011 02:01 ItsMeDomLee wrote: To be fair he hasn't done anything for months. He only placed second at MLG Orlando, but that's pretty standard I guess. | ||
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Dew.
Brazil104 Posts
On December 12 2011 02:05 LighT. wrote: Group Predictions 1. MVP - Cant touch this [4-0] 2. DRG - Proves to be just as ascary as advertised barely winning the game vs MC/barely losing to MVP [3-1] 3. MC - Inconsistent play give shim 3rd. Sometimes godlike showings and sometimes showings that he's extremely vunerable and beatable [2-2] 4. Stephano - Proves he deserves to be here by having good matches against everyone including beating HerO, however show's he's still far from competing with the very best, getting stomped on by MVP [1-3] 5. HerO - Always struggled against non-foreigner/korean scene, the trend continues, and despite a good game to Stephano and MC, drops them, making him 0-4 in group play [0-4] lol, pretty good predictions man... | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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gh0un
601 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:19 mordk wrote: The thing is, that play working against MC is an EXTREMELY unlikely scenario. If you had listened to the cast you wouldve catched the information provided by khaldor that he has seen MC lose on dual sight against roach ling all ins every single time. As khaldor is in korea right now, i dont think he made that statement for no reason. Therefore it should read "extremely LIKELY scenario". | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:59 Ylrahc wrote: He still had about as much preparation as TheSTC or Boxer before their MLG matches against Stephano (and MKP did prepare, I followed closely this tournament as it was in France  ), so if you say those 2 could adapt, you say MKP is worse than them because he couldn't. Besides, the pools of this GSL cup are not known for long, so preparation wasn't that long either...Stephano lost to MVP because MVP is atm better, Stephano won against MKP because at that time Stephano was better and most probably used his MLG failures against terran to improve his play. For a foreigner who has been a Korea for A WEEK, that's pretty sick, isn't it :o I remember that most if not all the foreigners that went to Korea had some rough weeks before they started winning MKP, while being a good terran, is simply not on the level of MVP. You can't compare winning tournaments with relatively weak fields (that covers both IPL and ESWC, but also DH winter this year, the NASL finals and every IEM ever) to winning MLG's (recent ones) or GSL's. Guys like Stephano, Hero and Puma are undoubtedly good, but have shown results in those tournaments for a reason. And we can't tell how good they actually are based on the few times a year they meet an absolute top-korean. I'm rather glad with the 3 players that are advancing, and seeing how all of them are part of the most competitive tournament in the world I wouldn't consider it surprising. For the same reason I'm expecting Nani (and probably Polt) to drop out tomorrow. Here's to hoping Nestea grabs spot B2 so we get the finals that the end of this year really deserves: MVP vs Nestea. I couldn't imagine a better ending to 2011 when it comes to SC2. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43768 Posts
On December 13 2011 02:08 Talack wrote: Hype Train derailed? Nope it's still on track and moving as fast as ever lol. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On December 12 2011 02:05 LighT. wrote: Group Predictions 1. MVP - Cant touch this [4-0] 2. DRG - Proves to be just as ascary as advertised barely winning the game vs MC/barely losing to MVP [3-1] 3. MC - Inconsistent play give shim 3rd. Sometimes godlike showings and sometimes showings that he's extremely vunerable and beatable [2-2] 4. Stephano - Proves he deserves to be here by having good matches against everyone including beating HerO, however show's he's still far from competing with the very best, getting stomped on by MVP [1-3] 5. HerO - Always struggled against non-foreigner/korean scene, the trend continues, and despite a good game to Stephano and MC, drops them, making him 0-4 in group play [0-4] Damn... Please post more predictions. I want to copy your Liquibet ^_^ | ||
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Vasher_Pwnzer
United States21 Posts
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Seriox
Germany373 Posts
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:59 Ylrahc wrote: He still had about as much preparation as TheSTC or Boxer before their MLG matches against Stephano (and MKP did prepare, I followed closely this tournament as it was in France ), so if you say those 2 could adapt, you say MKP is worse than them because he couldn't. Besides, the pools of this GSL cup are not known for long, so preparation wasn't that long either...Stephano lost to MVP because MVP is atm better, Stephano won against MKP because at that time Stephano was better and most probably used his MLG failures against terran to improve his play. For a foreigner who has been a Korea for A WEEK, that's pretty sick, isn't it :o I remember that most if not all the foreigners that went to Korea had some rough weeks before they started winning Why are you even trying to argue? I'm quoting the players themselves. MKP said he wasn't prepared against Stephano. MVP said his girlfriend showed him footage of Stephano's play so he was prepared for his playstyle. Yet you still insist that you're right and somehow know more than the fucking players themselves. Were you MKP's roommate while he stayed in France? Do you know Korean and wereable to talk about his preparations against Stephano with him? On December 13 2011 02:04 Ylrahc wrote: Geeez this build has nothing specific, it's standard to do heavy BFH harass against zerg, NVP chose this build because he knew it would probably be the best answer against Stephano start, and that it would allow him to transition easily in something else if stephano decided to do something different. I'd bet that Stephano KNEW that BFH were incoming, he thought he could defend it as he has done so many times before against this same push, but he couldn't because MVP battle management was better. That's it. DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE GAME OF STEPHANO VS MVP? Stephano had NO IDEA that MVP was going BFH. MVP made 3 BARRACKS to fake him out, hid his marine count, and patrolled marines around the edges of his base to snipe any scouting overlords. When MVP finally attacked with 8+ BFH and marines. What did Stephano do? Scramble to place down a bunch of spine crawlers and create a last-second wall at his ramp. But whatevers, you win. I really have no interest in arguing with someone who argues for the sake of winning rather than establishing conclusions based on reasoning. Keep making up random shit to support your own arguments. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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gTank
Austria2542 Posts
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On December 13 2011 02:15 gTank wrote: its GOMtv so i doubt there are free VODs  I thought it was going to be like that since the live stream was free. I couldn't have watched the games because I'm at EST | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 13 2011 02:09 SeaSwift wrote: Damn... Please post more predictions. I want to copy your Liquibet ^_^ Yeah that's a very solid effort indeed, congrats. | ||
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Artosis Haircut
Netherlands7 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:35 mordk wrote: Baseless? Considering this is what teams have been doing since the early BW days? I'd say you should reconsider that. You should also read later posts before answering blindly. Most likely scenario is that they haven't taken it too seriously so far because Stephano hasn't been in Korea for long and doesn't have enough tournament appearances. In this tourney, besides DRG, who lost narrowly, everyone looked fine against him. MVP almost blind countered him, which means he probably expected Stephano to do exactly what he did. I'd like to see Stephano stay a while in Korea, to see objectively how he adapts to people studying him intensively. Sadly, he won't. Take that for a baseless conjecture. So what you are saying is what happens that, good players come along, have a win streak, then they get 'figured out (lol)' and then they can't win anymore. Like I said, baseless conjecture, there are plenty of players, also in the top korean ranks, that continue to win alot, even though they have been around long enough to be 'figured out' by the team houses. Good players are versatile in their builds and adapt to the metagame. So far I have seen Stephano do exactly that, and he has been performing amazingly, especialy for not being around so long. Also , my comment on Idra is far from baseless, it's a well know fact that the 2 base muta's alot of his games and performs very poorly versus Korean players. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On December 13 2011 02:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Nope it's still on track and moving as fast as ever lol. The "new best player eva!!!!" changes so often I don't know what to believe >< I thought Leenock was the new bonjwa since he beat MVP, stephano was the great foreigner hope, HuK was the new best protoss in the world, Hero could not be beaten since he won IEM Damnit forums, make up your mind! | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 13 2011 02:25 Artosis Haircut wrote: So what you are saying is what happens that, good players come along, have a win streak, then they get 'figured out (lol)' and then they can't win anymore. Like I said, baseless conjecture, there are plenty of players, also in the top korean ranks, that continue to win alot, even though they have been around long enough to be 'figured out' by the team houses. Good players are versatile in their builds and adapt to the metagame. So far I have seen Stephano do exactly that, and he has been performing amazingly, especialy for not being around so long. Also , my comment on Idra is far from baseless, it's a well know fact that the 2 base muta's alot of his games and performs very poorly versus Korean players. You're completely missing the point. Not enough time has passed to completely see the KR's answer to Stephano's builds, nor to see Stephano's adaptation to said answer. Not the same situation with the other players who've played for the entire year. Player's strategies get "figured out" all the time. You think MC's downfall is solely because of patches? He suddenly became a bad player? His strategies were studied and picked apart which allowed players to beat him consistently. It's only logical for that to happen. And you're also missing the point about the Idra comment, because you're not reading the bolded part. | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
MKP, while being a good terran, is simply not on the level of MVP. I totally agree on that MVP, prepared or not, is a class over Stephano, and actually a class above everyone else atm. @MayorITC : okay, let me rephrase, Stephano knew BFH could be a possibility, and you can bet your ass next time he'll be prepared against the same kind of push. Anyway, prepared or not, MVP > Stephano, no question about that. I'd still be interested to see more games between those two, especially macro ones, as MVP adapts well to all kind of strategies with sometimes very unusual answers, and I like to see that. As for MKP being not prepared, well, I've heard differently, I'm quite sure he told at that time he had watched footages of Stephano's IPL & MLG runs before his match...if it's not preparation, I don't know what it is... | ||
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(yes he was prepared, yes he got crushed.) And as for MVP today, like it has been said a million time, Stephano very often encounters this kind of BFH harass against his opening, and he holds it more often than not. This said, it was the first time that was MVP behind this push, now it's Stephano's turn to adapt, let's hope we'll have a rematch someday :-)
