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On December 13 2011 02:01 ItsMeDomLee wrote:


To be fair he hasn't done anything for months.

On December 13 2011 02:25 Artosis Haircut wrote:


So what you are saying is what happens that, good players come along, have a win streak, then they get 'figured out (lol)' and then they can't win anymore.

Like I said, baseless conjecture, there are plenty of players, also in the top korean ranks, that continue to win alot, even though they have been around long enough to be 'figured out' by the team houses.

Good players are versatile in their builds and adapt to the metagame.
So far I have seen Stephano do exactly that, and he has been performing amazingly, especialy for not being around so long.

Also , my comment on Idra is far from baseless, it's a well know fact that the 2 base muta's alot of his games and performs very poorly versus Korean players.

On December 13 2011 02:32 Ylrahc wrote:

I totally agree on that MVP, prepared or not, is a class over Stephano, and actually a class above everyone else atm.

@MayorITC : okay, let me rephrase, Stephano knew BFH could be a possibility, and you can bet your ass next time he'll be prepared against the same kind of push. Anyway, prepared or not, MVP > Stephano, no question about that. I'd still be interested to see more games between those two, especially macro ones, as MVP adapts well to all kind of strategies with sometimes very unusual answers, and I like to see that. As for MKP being not prepared, well, I've heard differently, I'm quite sure he told at that time he had watched footages of Stephano's IPL & MLG runs before his match...if it's not preparation, I don't know what it is...

On December 13 2011 02:44 chosenkerrigan wrote:
MVP is the best player in sc2 atm but he's not "a class above" every one. There are several players in his league but are just a bit worse than him, namely, Leenock, DRG, Nestea..

On December 13 2011 02:45 ThaZenith wrote:
Whoo, I knew that HerO wouldn't do very good. People thinking he'd go 3-1 are silly.

Looks like stephano did ok in his games, I wish he could have advanced though.

On December 13 2011 02:45 ThaZenith wrote:
Whoo, I knew that HerO wouldn't do very good. People thinking he'd go 3-1 are silly.

Looks like stephano did ok in his games, I wish he could have advanced though.

players who got "figured out"
MC
Fruitdealer
Rain
BitByBit
MKP
Rainbow

all those players were spectacular, all got figured out, all dropped off the face of the eart to varying degrees

MKP tore through GSL season 2 then quickly dropped
Rainbow and fruitdealer looked amazing during season one then they quickly droppped
people were calling MC the best palyer ever when he won his second title now hes more joked about then revered and known as a very unstable player who somethimes gives some good results

there are tons of players if you look for them who look amazing the first time we see them then there nothing, like the 1/1/1 build and the slayers hellion push everyone said they were unstoppable when we first saw them now there nothing special

On December 13 2011 02:41 Forikorder wrote:


players who got "figured out"
MC
Fruitdealer
Rain
BitByBit
MKP
Rainbow

all those players were spectacular, all got figured out, all dropped off the face of the eart to varying degrees

MKP tore through GSL season 2 then quickly dropped
Rainbow and fruitdealer looked amazing during season one then they quickly droppped
people were calling MC the best palyer ever when he won his second title now hes more joked about then revered and known as a very unstable player who somethimes gives some good results

there are tons of players if you look for them who look amazing the first time we see them then there nothing, like the 1/1/1 build and the slayers hellion push everyone said they were unstoppable when we first saw them now there nothing special

On December 13 2011 02:48 Talack wrote:



MC - Was/still is a one trick pony honestly. He's branched out a bit, but survive his all-in and you've won.
Fruitdealer - Never was good imo, rainbow was just horrible. They were just two players who practiced a little more than the others at the begining of SC2 when nobody was good at anything and got lucky.
Rain - Yeah...lol Not really figured out but just never was good. I think the community backlash hurt him alot and lowered his confidence too much
BitbyBit - Nothing to say really. More success from people not being that good during his run. Players are alot better vs scv rushes now.
MKP - Placed in the finals twice in a row, still takes games off top-players all the time (with exception to MVP) and is still a contender for a code-s Finals IMO.
Rainbow - was never good, will never be good IMO. See fruitdealer.

On December 13 2011 02:48 power-overwhelming wrote:


How exactly did MC get figured out? His timings? All timings get figured out. It is more like Protoss got figured out. Before, no one knew how imbalance the game was and how shit the race was. MC simply won with a disadvantage twice. Right now Protoss still lacks a lot of things to be as complete as Terran or Zerg.

On December 13 2011 02:48 Talack wrote:



MC - Was/still is a one trick pony honestly. He's branched out a bit, but survive his all-in and you've won.

On December 13 2011 02:55 power-overwhelming wrote:
Can someone actually answer why people think this way?

MKP - Placed in the finals twice in a row, still takes games off top-players all the time (with exception to MVP) and is still a contender for a code-s Finals IMO.

By placing 2nd at MLG orlando and just getting back to Code S by beating bomber, and now beating stephano and hero, MC is still a serious contender in all tournaments, and probably top 2 protoss imo.

On December 13 2011 02:52 trinxified wrote:
All of this MC hate is unnecessary. He is a good player, maybe not as hot as MVP or Nestea, but he's up there.

All this "he got figured out", is BS. How can you win 2 GSL championships and finish fairly high on some other tournaments if you got "figured out".

On December 13 2011 02:55 power-overwhelming wrote:


Can someone actually answer why people think this way?

MC 2-0'd bomber - first game was macro game and 2nd was a counter attack to Bomber's timing attack.

I don't understand why people think MC only all ins. When have you seen him run a probe train to tank hits from AI? Meanwhile you see MVP sending scv trains every other game vs protoss, leenock roch-ling all ins, hell even stephano all ining yet people consider their play "smart" / "punishing greedy play".

This double standard is hilarious. While everyone is scared of MVP only MC has confidence vs him. He has also shown new ways in PvZ.

Can people separate MC from the Protoss race? Just because Protoss is bland doesn't mean MC is. In fact this guy has innovated more than any other programer in sc2.

haters gon' hate tho

On December 13 2011 02:48 power-overwhelming wrote:


How exactly did MC get figured out? His timings? All timings get figured out. It is more like Protoss got figured out. Before, no one knew how imbalance the game was and how shit the race was. MC simply won with a disadvantage twice. Right now Protoss still lacks a lot of things to be as complete as Terran or Zerg.