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On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 00:48 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote:
the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated...
IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result. I don't think DRG's comment can be classified as a bash. He's just stating something that's considered true by many people. Stephano's style WILL get analyzed and ripped apart by korean team houses, make no mistake, it's what korean coaches do best. Specially teams like SlayerS. We'll have to see how Stephano adapts to this. Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level.
Yet he's still winning games on ladder =.=
But don't get me wrong on that. Stephano is an amazing player and very likely to be the best among foreigners. But it seems that the Koreans who have faced him more than once are able to beat him comfortably.
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On December 13 2011 01:36 Arcanne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2011 01:17 HappyChris wrote:On December 13 2011 01:16 mememolly wrote:
stephano needs a good coach, all the top koreans have them, do Mil even provide him with one? I dont think any teams outside of Korea got a coach. EG has iNcontroL. Incontrol is their star protoss player.
Sorry I forgot, what pro-team do you play for again?
Coaches don't have to be the best players on their team, as shown by every single SC2 coach (and other sports coaches).
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On December 13 2011 01:34 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:48 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote:
the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated...
IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result. I don't think DRG's comment can be classified as a bash. He's just stating something that's considered true by many people. Stephano's style WILL get analyzed and ripped apart by korean team houses, make no mistake, it's what korean coaches do best. Specially teams like SlayerS. We'll have to see how Stephano adapts to this. Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. But why does it seem that everyone who is prepared against Stephano's style... destroys him? Example #1: STC's rematch vs Stephano in which STC tore apart Stephano (2-0). Example #2: MVP's win today vs Stephano. MVP said in his interview that his girlfriend showed him footage of his playstyle. While everyone who loses to him says its because they were unprepared for his unorthodox style? I'm guessing that your sole basis of your claim is Stephano's performance on the Korean ladder, which should carry far less weight than his performance in tournaments. Regardless, strategy and playstyle are two of the easier things to pick up. DRG complimented Stephano on his mechanics, which is an impressive feat for a foreign-trained player.
STC never tore apart Stephano, in fact Stephano destroyed theSTC for the first 15min in game 1, i even remember Tasteless saying the game was over already. Stephano then fucked up his transition into midgame and lost the game.
Game 2 was just a 2 rax bunker rush where Stephano made a tiny micro mistake (stopped focusing a bunker 1 sec too early) and lost the game right away.
As for MVP, he is just the better player, no need for him to "figure out" Stephano to win that serie.
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On December 13 2011 01:34 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:48 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote:
the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated...
IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result. I don't think DRG's comment can be classified as a bash. He's just stating something that's considered true by many people. Stephano's style WILL get analyzed and ripped apart by korean team houses, make no mistake, it's what korean coaches do best. Specially teams like SlayerS. We'll have to see how Stephano adapts to this. Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. But why does it seem that everyone who is prepared against Stephano's style... destroys him? Example #1: STC's rematch vs Stephano in which STC tore apart Stephano (2-0). Example #2: MVP's win today vs Stephano. MVP said in his interview that his girlfriend showed him footage of his playstyle. While everyone who loses to him says its because they were unprepared for his unorthodox style?
Ask MKP what he thought of his preparation of his ESWC match against Stephano  (yes he was prepared, yes he got crushed.) And as for MVP today, like it has been said a million time, Stephano very often encounters this kind of BFH harass against his opening, and he holds it more often than not. This said, it was the first time that was MVP behind this push, now it's Stephano's turn to adapt, let's hope we'll have a rematch someday :-)
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On December 13 2011 01:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:48 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote:
the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated...
IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result. I don't think DRG's comment can be classified as a bash. He's just stating something that's considered true by many people. Stephano's style WILL get analyzed and ripped apart by korean team houses, make no mistake, it's what korean coaches do best. Specially teams like SlayerS. We'll have to see how Stephano adapts to this. Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. Yet he's still winning games on ladder =.= But don't get me wrong on that. Stephano is an amazing player and very likely to be the best among foreigners. But it seems that the Koreans who have faced him more than once are able to beat him comfortably.
I rather have the feeling that stephano is adapting more than koreans are adapting and that is why stephano keeps improving
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On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 00:48 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote:
the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated...
IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result. I don't think DRG's comment can be classified as a bash. He's just stating something that's considered true by many people. Stephano's style WILL get analyzed and ripped apart by korean team houses, make no mistake, it's what korean coaches do best. Specially teams like SlayerS. We'll have to see how Stephano adapts to this. Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level.
definitly sounds like something artosis's haircut would say
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Besides, top european players like Nerchio, Thorzain etc should have figured out Stephano a long time ago and yet Stephano crush them almost every single time.
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On December 13 2011 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:17 HappyChris wrote:On December 13 2011 01:16 mememolly wrote:
stephano needs a good coach, all the top koreans have them, do Mil even provide him with one? I dont think any teams outside of Korea got a coach. EG has iNcontroL.
iNcontroL is NOT a coach.
He is a TEAM CAPTAIN. There is HUGE difference.
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On December 13 2011 01:16 Dauntless wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:00 Olinimm wrote:On December 13 2011 00:52 Dauntless wrote:On December 13 2011 00:48 Olinimm wrote:On December 13 2011 00:45 Dauntless wrote:
I think HerO is the Protoss player with best mechanics. He has stated himself that he struggles with nervousness, and sometimes overthinks situations (which leads to bad decision making). If he can overcome these two problems, I think he will emerge as, not only the best Protoss, but the best player in SC2.
HerO's got sick multitasking and micro, and when playing at his best, some of the best crisis management and reactions in SC2. So he's not nervous when he wins Dreamhack but every single time he plays in GSL he suffers from nerves? Well isn't that a convenient coincidence. Anyone ever think...wait just here me out...he lost because that's his skill level? A crazy idea I know. You're really good at putting words in peoples mouth. Whoever said he wasn't nervous at DH? I bet he was, but still won. And nobody is claiming that HerO is stable in his performances. If you had seen more games with HerO, you'd know what he's capable of. When in top form his level is extremely high, while he can sometimes play extremely bad as well. This is something he'll have to work with if he ever wants to become the best of the best. I doubt it. He looks "extremely high level" when defeating foreigners but he still hasn't put up a good performance in a Korean tournament. Nervousness is a convenient excuse. He's a mid Code A level Protoss nothing more at this time. I guess PuMa isn't Korean. But alright, he still has a lot to prove, but I guess we'll see if he's just a mid Code A level Protoss in the future.. Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:04 tapk69 wrote:I think HerO is the Protoss player with best mechanics. He has stated himself that he struggles with nervousness, and sometimes overthinks situations (which leads to bad decision making). If he can overcome these two problems, I think he will emerge as, not only the best Protoss, but the best player in SC2. lol ? u mad ? i saw mlg providence and dreamhack , Hero is very good , but naniwa or MC are good protosses too ... And to be the best player in SC2 individually , for now you just have to win at least as much as MVP , so lets recapitulate : -3 GSL wins , 1 second place - WCG 2011 ( the first of SC2 ) -Blizzcon - 1 MLG Also making 90% of his opponents look like noobs when they loose , and looking like a boss when he losses... Being the best player to this date isn't the same as having most tourney wins. And I don't think HerO will be the best player in the near future, he has to work hard and overcome his struggles. He has such extreme potential. There's a reason he's Day9's favourite player.. I'm just hoping and believing, man..
No it's not just tournament wins. It's the consistency and placings in all tournaments and MVP consistently places high in all recent tournaments. I believe the majority also believe MVP is the best sc2 player by far. If sc2 was based on tennis/ sport rankings then MVP would be at the top.
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I didn't get to watch these games, my reaction is that I'm shocked that HerO got wrecked as hard as he did. That's disappointing. But at least DRG isn't slumping anymore 
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On December 13 2011 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:36 Arcanne wrote:On December 13 2011 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2011 01:17 HappyChris wrote:On December 13 2011 01:16 mememolly wrote:
stephano needs a good coach, all the top koreans have them, do Mil even provide him with one? I dont think any teams outside of Korea got a coach. EG has iNcontroL. Incontrol is their star protoss player. Sorry I forgot, what pro-team do you play for again? Coaches don't have to be the best players on their team, as shown by every single SC2 coach (and other sports coaches).
Brood War coaches also weren't the best players as well, ZergBong being one of them 
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On December 13 2011 01:45 Ylrahc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:34 MayorITC wrote:On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:48 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote:
the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated...
IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result. I don't think DRG's comment can be classified as a bash. He's just stating something that's considered true by many people. Stephano's style WILL get analyzed and ripped apart by korean team houses, make no mistake, it's what korean coaches do best. Specially teams like SlayerS. We'll have to see how Stephano adapts to this. Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. But why does it seem that everyone who is prepared against Stephano's style... destroys him? Example #1: STC's rematch vs Stephano in which STC tore apart Stephano (2-0). Example #2: MVP's win today vs Stephano. MVP said in his interview that his girlfriend showed him footage of his playstyle. While everyone who loses to him says its because they were unprepared for his unorthodox style? Ask MKP what he thought of his preparation of his ESWC match against Stephano (yes he was prepared, yes he got crushed.) And as for MVP today, like it has been said a million time, Stephano very often encounters this kind of BFH harass against his opening, and he holds it more often than not. This said, it was the first time that was MVP behind this push, now it's Stephano's turn to adapt, let's hope we'll have a rematch someday :-)
Why don't you take your own advice? I just finished watching the video interview with MKP after his 3rd place finish at the ESWC. He said that the GSL offers more preparation so he wasn't that prepared for his matches.
Stephano may have a 70% win rate on the ladder, but his win rate is about 50% during practice in the team house.
(Source: Media Day Interview)
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On December 13 2011 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:36 Arcanne wrote:On December 13 2011 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2011 01:17 HappyChris wrote:On December 13 2011 01:16 mememolly wrote:
stephano needs a good coach, all the top koreans have them, do Mil even provide him with one? I dont think any teams outside of Korea got a coach. EG has iNcontroL. Incontrol is their star protoss player. Sorry I forgot, what pro-team do you play for again? Coaches don't have to be the best players on their team, as shown by every single SC2 coach (and other sports coaches).
Incontrol is the captain. Not the coach.
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On December 13 2011 01:45 Ylrahc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:34 MayorITC wrote:On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:48 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote:
the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated...
IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result. I don't think DRG's comment can be classified as a bash. He's just stating something that's considered true by many people. Stephano's style WILL get analyzed and ripped apart by korean team houses, make no mistake, it's what korean coaches do best. Specially teams like SlayerS. We'll have to see how Stephano adapts to this. Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. But why does it seem that everyone who is prepared against Stephano's style... destroys him? Example #1: STC's rematch vs Stephano in which STC tore apart Stephano (2-0). Example #2: MVP's win today vs Stephano. MVP said in his interview that his girlfriend showed him footage of his playstyle. While everyone who loses to him says its because they were unprepared for his unorthodox style? Ask MKP what he thought of his preparation of his ESWC match against Stephano (yes he was prepared, yes he got crushed.) And as for MVP today, like it has been said a million time, Stephano very often encounters this kind of BFH harass against his opening, and he holds it more often than not. This said, it was the first time that was MVP behind this push, now it's Stephano's turn to adapt, let's hope we'll have a rematch someday :-)
How was MKP prepared lol? He had no korean zerg to practice with during ESWC and before, so he may have prepared some builds alone but thats all. Had they play in korea...
Little disappointed of the format I reckon, bo1 feels so random
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On December 13 2011 01:54 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2011 01:36 Arcanne wrote:On December 13 2011 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 13 2011 01:17 HappyChris wrote:On December 13 2011 01:16 mememolly wrote:
stephano needs a good coach, all the top koreans have them, do Mil even provide him with one? I dont think any teams outside of Korea got a coach. EG has iNcontroL. Incontrol is their star protoss player. Sorry I forgot, what pro-team do you play for again? Coaches don't have to be the best players on their team, as shown by every single SC2 coach (and other sports coaches). Incontrol is the captain. Not the coach.
Ah, my mistake. Sorry ^^
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On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote:
the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated...
IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result.
DRG advances as the 1st place in the group while stephano was the 4th. I'd say DRG is more like the winner there.
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Stephano needs a great coach if he wants to become a great player. He obviously has the talent, he just needs someone to help analyze the game better.
Until then he'll lose versus truly prepared opponents.
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Fell asleep before final game (literally with iphone earbuds still in my ears) , but quite glad MC won his game and stephano is out.
A GSL multi-winner ranking below a foreignet wouldve been embarassing.
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On December 13 2011 01:51 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:45 Ylrahc wrote:On December 13 2011 01:34 MayorITC wrote:On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:48 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote:
the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated...
IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result. I don't think DRG's comment can be classified as a bash. He's just stating something that's considered true by many people. Stephano's style WILL get analyzed and ripped apart by korean team houses, make no mistake, it's what korean coaches do best. Specially teams like SlayerS. We'll have to see how Stephano adapts to this. Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. But why does it seem that everyone who is prepared against Stephano's style... destroys him? Example #1: STC's rematch vs Stephano in which STC tore apart Stephano (2-0). Example #2: MVP's win today vs Stephano. MVP said in his interview that his girlfriend showed him footage of his playstyle. While everyone who loses to him says its because they were unprepared for his unorthodox style? Ask MKP what he thought of his preparation of his ESWC match against Stephano (yes he was prepared, yes he got crushed.) And as for MVP today, like it has been said a million time, Stephano very often encounters this kind of BFH harass against his opening, and he holds it more often than not. This said, it was the first time that was MVP behind this push, now it's Stephano's turn to adapt, let's hope we'll have a rematch someday :-) Why don't you take your own advice? I just finished watching the video interview with MKP after his 3rd place finish at the ESWC. He said that the GSL offers more preparation so he wasn't that prepared for his matches.
He still had about as much preparation as TheSTC or Boxer before their MLG matches against Stephano (and MKP did prepare, I followed closely this tournament as it was in France ), so if you say those 2 could adapt, you say MKP is worse than them because he couldn't. Besides, the pools of this GSL cup are not known for long, so preparation wasn't that long either...
Stephano lost to MVP because MVP is atm better, Stephano won against MKP because at that time Stephano was better and most probably used his MLG failures against terran to improve his play.
Stephano may have a 70% win rate on the ladder, but his win rate is about 50% during practice in the team house.
For a foreigner who has been a Korea for A WEEK, that's pretty sick, isn't it :o I remember that most if not all the foreigners that went to Korea had some rough weeks before they started winning
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On December 13 2011 01:59 Ylrahc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 01:51 MayorITC wrote:On December 13 2011 01:45 Ylrahc wrote:On December 13 2011 01:34 MayorITC wrote:On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:48 mordk wrote:On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote:On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote:
the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated...
IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result. I don't think DRG's comment can be classified as a bash. He's just stating something that's considered true by many people. Stephano's style WILL get analyzed and ripped apart by korean team houses, make no mistake, it's what korean coaches do best. Specially teams like SlayerS. We'll have to see how Stephano adapts to this. Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. But why does it seem that everyone who is prepared against Stephano's style... destroys him? Example #1: STC's rematch vs Stephano in which STC tore apart Stephano (2-0). Example #2: MVP's win today vs Stephano. MVP said in his interview that his girlfriend showed him footage of his playstyle. While everyone who loses to him says its because they were unprepared for his unorthodox style? Ask MKP what he thought of his preparation of his ESWC match against Stephano (yes he was prepared, yes he got crushed.) And as for MVP today, like it has been said a million time, Stephano very often encounters this kind of BFH harass against his opening, and he holds it more often than not. This said, it was the first time that was MVP behind this push, now it's Stephano's turn to adapt, let's hope we'll have a rematch someday :-) Why don't you take your own advice? I just finished watching the video interview with MKP after his 3rd place finish at the ESWC. He said that the GSL offers more preparation so he wasn't that prepared for his matches. He still had about as much preparation as TheSTC or Boxer before their MLG matches against Stephano (and MKP did prepare, I followed closely this tournament as it was in France ), so if you say those 2 could adapt, you say MKP is worse than them because he couldn't. Besides, the pools of this GSL cup are not known for long, so preparation wasn't that long either... Stephano lost to MVP because MVP is atm better, Stephano won against MKP because at that time Stephano was better and most probably used his MLG failures against terran to improve his play.
Stephano lost to MVP because MVP is by far the better player AND because he prepared a specific build to take him down easily. That much is obvious when you read the interview in which he thanks his GF for recording Stephano's stream and showing it to him.
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