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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable. And as always: - No player bashing. - No caster bashing. - No balance whining. Enjoy the games. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:25 Badfatpanda wrote: You do realize That one of MC's staple builds Was a fake nexus Into gateway allin Just sayin' Spreading misinformation as always. I've seen a grand total of 1 game(vs July) where he has done this, and now it becomes a "staple build" ? | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:09 HappyChris wrote: I think he did that becuase it would be unexpected. If Stephano had killed MC there it would have been a genius move but instead it was a bad move. There is a very thin line between genius and bad. It is probably the most zerg favored map in the pool and MC is known for insane control and very good crisis management and on the spot decisionmaking. It was a bad decision. It's not even like he was unlucky and MC blindcountered it. MC did exactly what Stepahno could have hoped for and it still didn't work | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
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Dauntless
Norway548 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:00 Olinimm wrote: I doubt it. He looks "extremely high level" when defeating foreigners but he still hasn't put up a good performance in a Korean tournament. Nervousness is a convenient excuse. He's a mid Code A level Protoss nothing more at this time. I guess PuMa isn't Korean. But alright, he still has a lot to prove, but I guess we'll see if he's just a mid Code A level Protoss in the future.. On December 13 2011 01:04 tapk69 wrote: lol ? u mad ? i saw mlg providence and dreamhack , Hero is very good , but naniwa or MC are good protosses too ... And to be the best player in SC2 individually , for now you just have to win at least as much as MVP , so lets recapitulate : -3 GSL wins , 1 second place - WCG 2011 ( the first of SC2 ) -Blizzcon - 1 MLG Also making 90% of his opponents look like noobs when they loose , and looking like a boss when he losses... Being the best player to this date isn't the same as having most tourney wins. And I don't think HerO will be the best player in the near future, he has to work hard and overcome his struggles. He has such extreme potential. There's a reason he's Day9's favourite player.. I'm just hoping and believing, man.. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:16 mememolly wrote: stephano needs a good coach, all the top koreans have them, do Mil even provide him with one? I dont think any teams outside of Korea got a coach. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:09 HappyChris wrote: I think he did that becuase it would be unexpected. If Stephano had killed MC there it would have been a genius move but instead it was a bad move. There is a very thin line between genius and bad. The thing is, that play working against MC is an EXTREMELY unlikely scenario. Particularly on Dual Sight, reason being MC will always go for the 2 base play, it's a map in which MC is very uncomfortable taking a 3rd vZ so he'll try to end the game earlier, be it a 6-gate timing or stargate into 2-base colo or WP ramp block play. With all of these, MC can defend rather easily against early Zerg rushes and cheeses, and MC almost never loses to that because he's got some of the best micro, FFs and crisis management around. The point is, if you've studied MC, and you know you're playing on Dual Sight, you know going for these strategies is a VERY bad idea. The best idea is to go for a build that can defend the 2-base timing, MC isn't going to plan a macro game on DS. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:17 HappyChris wrote: I dont think any teams outside of Korea got a coach. that sucks and is a large variable that western players miss, especially when they are over in korea | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44324 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:17 HappyChris wrote: I dont think any teams outside of Korea got a coach. EG has iNcontroL. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
Ok, I didnt knew he was acting in a coach role also. Make alot of sence actually I think incontrol can be a really good coach becuase he is very rational | ||
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monXikk
Poland742 Posts
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
omg... | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44324 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:20 HappyChris wrote: Ok, I didnt knew he was acting in a coach role also. Make alot of sence actually I think incontrol can be a really good coach becuase he is very rational Yeah he definitely takes the game and lifestyle very seriously too. | ||
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hmmm...
632 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:48 Kiichol wrote: So very disappointed with today's results. Getting extremely tired and bored of the Korean domination.. I'm sorry but I feel no affiliation with Korean players at all and if there is no foreigners in a tournament I find it extremely boring to watch. It ruins the excitement, it's always like "So which Korean is gonna win this time?" //a dis-heartened fan i don't see why a player would have to come from a country other than Korea in order for you to feel affiliation towards that player. imagine if i said i could never root for the US olympic basketbal team simply because they're american imagine if i said i could never root for the Spanish football team simply because they're spanish unless you meant ethnicity instead of nationality....in which case you'd be a racist then. | ||
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Artosis Haircut
Netherlands7 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:48 mordk wrote: I don't think DRG's comment can be classified as a bash. He's just stating something that's considered true by many people. Stephano's style WILL get analyzed and ripped apart by korean team houses, make no mistake, it's what korean coaches do best. Specially teams like SlayerS. We'll have to see how Stephano adapts to this. Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. | ||
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Apolex
Canada103 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:16 Dauntless wrote: I guess PuMa isn't Korean. But alright, he still has a lot to prove, but I guess we'll see if he's just a mid Code A level Protoss in the future.. Being the best player to this date isn't the same as having most tourney wins. And I don't think HerO will be the best player in the near future, he has to work hard and overcome his struggles. He has such extreme potential. There's a reason he's Day9's favourite player.. I'm just hoping and believing, man.. All of MVP's tourny wins are this year,he's been in top 4 in all tournies for the past six months. I think that does translate to MVP being the best player in sc2 scene. Don't tell me you have a best player in mind with no or few tournament wins.. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote: Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. But why does it seem that everyone who is prepared against Stephano's style... destroys him? Example #1: STC's rematch vs Stephano in which STC tore apart Stephano (2-0). Example #2: MVP's win today vs Stephano. MVP said in his interview that his girlfriend showed him footage of his playstyle. While everyone who loses to him says its because they were unprepared for his unorthodox style? I'm guessing that your sole basis of your claim is Stephano's performance on the Korean ladder, which should carry far less weight than his performance in tournaments. Regardless, strategy and playstyle are two of the easier things to pick up. DRG complimented Stephano on his mechanics, which is an impressive feat for a foreign-trained player. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:24 Artosis Haircut wrote: Baseless conjecture, seriously. Stephano has been around for long enough time now for Korean team houses to analyze his tactics. Yet he's still winning games. Truth is, Stephano is a very versatile player, meaning he does tons of different builds, which is what top players do. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. Baseless? Considering this is what teams have been doing since the early BW days? I'd say you should reconsider that. You should also read later posts before answering blindly. Most likely scenario is that they haven't taken it too seriously so far because Stephano hasn't been in Korea for long and doesn't have enough tournament appearances. In this tourney, besides DRG, who lost narrowly, everyone looked fine against him. MVP almost blind countered him, which means he probably expected Stephano to do exactly what he did. I'd like to see Stephano stay a while in Korea, to see objectively how he adapts to people studying him intensively. Sadly, he won't. Just because Idra does the same thing in every matchup doesn't mean Stephano is like that, he is obviously on a much higher level. Take that for a baseless conjecture. | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
Incontrol is their star protoss player. | ||
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Dauntless
Norway548 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:32 Apolex wrote: All of MVP's tourny wins are this year,he's been in top 4 in all tournies for the past six months. I think that does translate to MVP being the best player in sc2 scene. Don't tell me you have a best player in mind with no or few tournament wins.. Wtf? You're misunderstanding so hard. I've never said MVP isn't the best player. He is currently the one with most tourney wins AND the best player atm. I'm just saying those two things aren't necessarily the same all the time.. Edit: And of course you need tourney wins to prove your the best. | ||
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Of course he doesn't radically change them, but by making timings and positionings more precise, he makes them better. 
