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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable. And as always: - No player bashing. - No caster bashing. - No balance whining. Enjoy the games. | ||
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:52 Dauntless wrote: You're really good at putting words in peoples mouth. Whoever said he wasn't nervous at DH? I bet he was, but still won. And nobody is claiming that HerO is stable in his performances. If you had seen more games with HerO, you'd know what he's capable of. When in top form his level is extremely high, while he can sometimes play extremely bad as well. This is something he'll have to work with if he ever wants to become the best of the best. I doubt it. He looks "extremely high level" when defeating foreigners but he still hasn't put up a good performance in a Korean tournament. Nervousness is a convenient excuse. He's a mid Code A level Protoss nothing more at this time. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:48 Kiichol wrote: So very disappointed with today's results. Getting extremely tired and bored of the Korean domination.. I'm sorry but I feel no affiliation with Korean players at all and if there is no foreigners in a tournament I find it extremely boring to watch. It ruins the excitement, it's always like "So which Korean is gonna win this time?" //a dis-heartened fan Cause they're the better player? I guess you wouldn't ever enjoy an amazing game like BW then ......racist. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:59 Ylrahc wrote: The argument of Stephano's style being thoroughly analyzed in the "next coming weeks" has been running around for...3 months now, since the IPL3 win, but that didn't effect his win / rate ratio much...guess what, because he adapts his play and his builds as well  Of course he doesn't radically change them, but by making timings and positionings more precise, he makes them better. I don't think they've cared too much until now that he's in Korea. If he leaves they'll probably just forget about it unless they can get some of their players to like it. It would have to be more tested in time to see, a few Code A appearances could make the trick. On December 13 2011 00:59 MadNeSs wrote: Im so diappointed in Stephano tbh. It seems he lacks abit in the metagame department. I mean why would he try to cheese MC? It doesnt make sense, especially considering that MC is know for great micro and great ff's. It just didnt make sense. Stephano would have had a much better chance of winning, if he had just chosen to play a straight up macro game. He can thank nobody but himself for not getting out of his group. He is better than what he showed today... Or is he? Exactly, I really don't understand why Stephano would go for such a build against MC of all players, on that map of all maps. It's so weird. That game was key, MC is very uncomfortable in that map playing vZ, Stephano should have known this by now. | ||
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hotwings
42 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:00 Flowjo wrote: Cause they're the better player? I guess you wouldn't ever enjoy an amazing game like BW then ......racist. To add to this, it also shows you don't really appreciate the game. :| | ||
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
I think HerO is the Protoss player with best mechanics. He has stated himself that he struggles with nervousness, and sometimes overthinks situations (which leads to bad decision making). If he can overcome these two problems, I think he will emerge as, not only the best Protoss, but the best player in SC2. lol ? u mad ? i saw mlg providence and dreamhack , Hero is very good , but naniwa or MC are good protosses too ... And to be the best player in SC2 individually , for now you just have to win at least as much as MVP , so lets recapitulate : -3 GSL wins , 1 second place - WCG 2011 ( the first of SC2 ) -Blizzcon - 1 MLG Also making 90% of his opponents look like noobs when they loose , and looking like a boss when he losses... | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
 Very disappointed. Stephano showed decent play and he will improve the longer he stays out there, I expect decent a Code A run from him. Mvp too strong, seriously impressive from him. | ||
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Dauntless
Norway548 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:57 Gin-san wrote: HerO's greediness is getting punished these days. He's always taking a huge risk. If that succeeds he wins, if not he loses in under 5 minutes like in nearly all games today... I have a hard time taking this serious. HerO doesn't take any more risks than most Protosses. | ||
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Sleed
Canada181 Posts
As for people who said they are bored of watching only Koreas, I suggest to stop watching Korean tournaments! | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote: IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. TheSTC literally said that after losing to Stephano at IPL, his coach TheWind looked at the matches, told him how to play instead, and he beat him easily at MLG. He is a very talented player, and has a very good understanding of the game right now. But that's been true of a bunch of people before. I'll just reserve the right to be sceptical for now, since we've seen many people crash and burn before. If he can keep doing well I'll be happy to reevaluate his skill. + Show Spoiler + Also the whole Complexity/Millenium thing didn't make me like him more... | ||
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legaton
France1763 Posts
Also, stop being so butthurt. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:44 Artosis Haircut wrote: Maybe Idra should figure out how to win games himself before he starts talking smack about other players. Also, DRG lost, he only makes himself look stupid by bashing a player that outplayed him. I've seen how good Stephano is, not just in tournaments but also on Korean GM ladder, Idra is nowhere near that level, and he's been around for alot longer than Stephano aswell. Even though Stephano is out, I still think taking two games of players this calibir is a good result. idra is probably better right now | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:03 mordk wrote: I don't think they've cared too much until now that he's in Korea. If he leaves they'll probably just forget about it unless they can get some of their players to like it. It would have to be more tested in time to see, a few Code A appearances could make the trick. And unless he changes his opinion, he won't stay...I think we can agree it's sad  Exactly, I really don't understand why Stephano would go for such a build against MC of all players, on that map of all maps. It's so weird. That game was key, MC is very uncomfortable in that map playing vZ, Stephano should have known this by now. Weird thing is Stephano usually goes into macro game against protosses and rolls over them with infestors / broodlords and some corruptors if there is a mothership. He shouldn't have deviated off his style To his credit, he rarely wins a macro game against MC, so maybe their previous encounters played their part in the decision, and his push was very close to go through... | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:03 mordk wrote: I don't think they've cared too much until now that he's in Korea. If he leaves they'll probably just forget about it unless they can get some of their players to like it. It would have to be more tested in time to see, a few Code A appearances could make the trick. Exactly, I really don't understand why Stephano would go for such a build against MC of all players, on that map of all maps. It's so weird. That game was key, MC is very uncomfortable in that map playing vZ, Stephano should have known this by now. I think he did that becuase it would be unexpected. If Stephano had killed MC there it would have been a genius move but instead it was a bad move. There is a very thin line between genius and bad. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:54 Strawburry17 wrote: Well. MVP - NesTea record is 12-6 1.GSL Jan Ro.4 : 3-1 for MVP 2.GSL Aug Ro.16 : 2-0 for MVP 3.GSL Oct Ro.8 : 3-2 for MVP 4.Blizzcon Final : 4-3 for MVP Overall 12-6 for MVP. So obviously It is better than MVP-MC 's 9-4 record....^0^ (remember how Calm Before The Storm is a protoss-oriented map. Actually even MC's 1 win is just meaningless I think) Arguing over asinine details is always fun. If you're going to list the WCG qualifiers, you might as well as list the PlayXP Gainward Tournament and Gisado KotH then recalculate the scores. Regardless, no one said MC goes toe-to-toe with MVP. The original poster said that MC always has the ability to take games off of MVP and seeing as how he did take a game off against MVP in every BoX series they played, I think it's a valid statement. Also, DRG isn't bashing Stephano. He started off by saying that Stephano is a good player and finished with "he has solid mechanics." He also has a valid point that Stephano's style can be hard-countered if prepared for. I think MVP's match against Stephano showed just that. As did STC's rematch against Stephano. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43769 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:04 tapk69 wrote: lol ? u mad ? i saw mlg providence and dreamhack , Hero is very good , but naniwa or MC are good protosses too ... And to be the best player in SC2 individually , for now you just have to win at least as much as MVP , so lets recapitulate : -3 GSL wins , 1 second place - WCG 2011 ( the first of SC2 ) -Blizzcon - 1 MLG Also making 90% of his opponents look like noobs when they loose , and looking like a boss when he losses... -And rapping. Don't forget the rapping. People don't give nearly enough credit to the GSL, and it amazes me. It's far and away the hardest tournament with the most rigorous bracket system. I don't care if you win 4 MLGs, 2 Dreamhacks, and you manage to steal ToSsGirL's heart from IdrA. If you aren't winning GSLs, you aren't the best in the world. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
based on what exactly? | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
kinda funny how they both try to play the game with different styles rather than play it straight up and they both get the same repercussions for it. Stephano played badly vs mvp, he sent all of his lings to die in 5 seconds to blue flame hellions instead of trying to get infestors out while under the cover of spine crawlers, or didnt even choose to make any roaches or Mutas. He did not play well against MC either because he kept trying to focus down the single collosus in the army and took way too much dmg from the stalkers. | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:06 Vorenius wrote: TheSTC literally said that after losing to Stephano at IPL, his coach TheWind looked at the matches, told him how to play instead, and he beat him easily at MLG. And then Stephano analysed his loss against TheSTC & Boxer (well against Boxer he played very bad regardless, tired I guess) and crushed the next korean terran he faced (MKP). He has as well defeated many terran koreans on the ladder using an adaptated build - and lost to quite a few as well, don't misread me -, and considering the hype there is around Stephano in Korea, I think his plays is definitely thoroughly analysed. Those players constantly make changes to their play to stay on the top, Stephano is no different, but as others he has ups and downs depending on if he adapts or if he is metagamed. That is what makes MVP so amazing, he seems to be always a step ahead everyone else, even when his opponent thinks he got him figured out :-) | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:08 Ylrahc wrote: And unless he changes his opinion, he won't stay...I think we can agree it's sad Weird thing is Stephano usually goes into macro game against protosses and rolls over them with infestors / broodlords and some corruptors if there is a mothership. He shouldn't have deviated off his style To his credit, he rarely wins a macro game against MC, so maybe their previous encounters played their part in the decision, and his push was very close to go through...Yeah, judging from their ladder game and because MC said he is much more confident in PvZ, it isn't too far fetched to say Stephano might not think his best chance is a macro game against him. | ||
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