EPTedit: BTW anyone questioning MC's integrity, check the winner's interview, he did try his best.
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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable. And as always: - No player bashing. - No caster bashing. - No balance whining. Enjoy the games. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
edit: BTW anyone questioning MC's integrity, check the winner's interview, he did try his best. | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The only foreigner vs. korean win today was a ZvZ lol. I honestly didn't expect DRG to be that high on top, but I'm never surprised to see koreans rolling foreigners. It's a pity that Stephano and Hero couldn't give them a run for their money! Obvious troll is obvious. He qualified because he won IPL3, which again, is a very good result but without a huge amount of koreans. MVP or Nestea for example, qualified because they're doing great in the GSL which is by far the hardest tournament out there. To repeat myself, Stephano is a very good player, probably the best foreign Zerg. But he's not as good as Nestea for example. lol ? Go check the IPL3 qualifiers brackets, or even the IPL3 itself... Actually Stephano proved today he is not very far from the best players in the world, he actually did beat one (two ?) of them... Stephano is good... but I don't think anything about his play was particularly conclusive... or eye opening... a pathetic performance in my opinion. He might have gone 2-2 but as for showing good games... it was pretty pathetic other than MC's holding his all in... A time to live. Depending on your previous opinion from Stephano, you'll see what you want in his games. Granted, Hero was a freewin for the other players in the group, but the win against DRG was excellent, and the all-in against MC was *extremly* close to success. As for the loss against MVP, sometimes he hold against such pressure, sometimes he doesn't, this time it failed  He didn't deserve to advance as he lost 2 games and he lost the game versus his direct opponent (even though he could have won -.-), but he doesn't deserve to be trashed as well considering the games he did. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:44 Supter wrote: "Hey dude. I have a great idea ! We will choose the 10 best players in the whole world, and then we will only do bo1, and no tie break ! isnt that GREAT ?" Seriously, Blizzard should be ashamed. I was so pumped about this tournament. But god, when i learn it would be bo1 ... what a shame ! That's totally retarded. I hope Blizzard will organize this tournament with MLG or DH next time, Gomtv shouldnt organize this kind of events. Blizzcon was a pretty awful tourney as well, format and stream wise.... They need to let established tourneys do what they want >< | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44329 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:51 Linwelin wrote: All right I will rephrase I was expecting Stephano to do decently but not to make it out of his group because I believe that he's not the best player in the universe as blind fanboys are claiming. Is it better now? He did do decently well... he won half his games o.O And I'm not even a fanboy. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
Pride alone isn't strong enough a motivation to push a player to die trying in situations like these. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: He did do decently well... he won half his games o.O And I'm not even a fanboy. That's exactly what I said. I was expecting him to do decently and he did | ||
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polybios
Czech Republic111 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44329 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:54 Linwelin wrote: That's exactly what I said. I was expecting him to do decently and he did So then why are you so angry and asking the fanboys for a fight? | ||
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power-overwhelming
Canada306 Posts
The problem with the games themselves were simply because they were BO1. However, the amount of bashing, specifically towards MC is sickening. He gets the worst possible maps for all his matchups except CBTS (which was wasted on PvP). He punished a greedy HerO and gets bashed for his "all-ins". Meanwhile MVP does a more obvious all in by bringing an SCV train and gets praised for being so smart. That alone would have been understandable due to hardcore MVP fanboys being offended by MC's statement's and his ability to always take games off MVP, but now we got the Stephano fanboys fueling in more for the MC hate. MC draws Dual Sight for a PVZ. Statistically, it is heavily zerg favoured and taking a third is close to impossible. Stephano goes for a roach all in and gets defended perfectly by MC. MC proceeds to play the right way in a map against a zerg in response to what just happened earlier in the game.... and guess what? He gets bashed for "2-base all in". I wonder if these same people even play the game or have close understanding to the Protoss mechanics. Protoss by far has the smallest margin of error and is the most unforgiving race. If you fail to kill a single worker or zergling on top of exchanging armies then you are severely behind. There is no back and forth. So for players like MC to calculate those risks and go for it is a testament to his confidence. Skillwise, apart from a couple of people, no one else can match MC's micro and his FF is easily the best in the world. I would like if bashing is allowed, then be consistent. I don't know the avg age of poster in TL but it shouldn't excuse for this embarrassing behaviour. Overall I was surprised MVP went 3-1. Was expecting a 2-2 or a a 1-3. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: So then why are you so angry and asking the fanboys for a fight? I'm not angry at all. I was just stating my opinion about Stephano's play, not in the best way though. | ||
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quancer
Canada161 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:39 redviper wrote: If you want to see who is the best (overall performance) you should have everyone play everyone. That is a full connected graph. Every node is connected to every node. Otherwise its just a different quantity of localization. You localize within groups, localize within sides of brackets, localize with head to heads. Thats all there is to it. The conclusion ofcourse is that tournaments aren't about overall performance. edit: seems the english expression would be complete graph. Perhaps thats clearer for you. What I mean when I say tournaments are about overall performance is that they are blind to head-to-head results by default. Tournaments are not designed to determine who's best overall, but who performs the best overall from his starting position. So long as all players start from equal positions then a tournament rewards those that end up with the best "score" by the end. Does this description not fit? | ||
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nofacej
Australia164 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:28 Linwelin wrote: It might have been close. But he's still out as far as I know... yeh going 2-2 in a group with the best player in the world(whos goign to win this one), DRG and MC is bad... lol and then also Hero who many claimed ebfore today was the ebst protoss int he world(BTW Ive never thought that) but yeh... really bad of him lol. Everyone knows MC on his A game is the 3rd best player in the world after Nestea..lol Even then he only went out on tiebraker of losing to MC... It happens.. hence why people like MC and HuK get knocked out early ins oem tournaments. All in all a good showing from Stepahno and im just gutted he wont be competing in code a qulaifieres or anything  | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:56 power-overwhelming wrote: Overall I was surprised MVP went 3-1. Was expecting a 2-2 or a a 1-3. rofl. Why is it surprising that a player that hasn't finished lower than top4 in any tournament he's entered since winning MLG anaheim went 3-1 in his group. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:58 Tommylew wrote: yeh going 2-2 in a group with the best player in the world(whos goign to win this one), DRG and MC is bad... lol and then also Hero who many claimed ebfore today was the ebst protoss int he world(BTW Ive never thought that) but yeh... really bad of him lol. Everyone knows MC on his A game is the 3rd best player in the world after Nestea..lol Even then he only went out on tiebraker of losing to MC... It happens.. hence why people like MC and HuK get knocked out early ins oem tournaments. All in all a good showing from Stepahno and im just gutted he wont be competing in code a qulaifieres or anything Did I say his performance was bad in any of my posts? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44329 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:56 power-overwhelming wrote: Overall I was surprised MVP went 3-1. Was expecting a 2-2 or a a 1-3. I was actually surprised that MVP only got second place in this round. He's got to be the favorite for sure to win. | ||
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harobi
Germany56 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:56 power-overwhelming wrote: Overall I was surprised MVP went 3-1. Was expecting a 2-2 or a a 1-3. i will be very surprised if mvp doesnt win this tournament with 2-0ing all the way | ||
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quancer
Canada161 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:49 redviper wrote: The demand is arbitrary because why tie breakers and not replay the entire group. head to head is a tie breaker and a good one, because it has a simple result (obviously 1 guy won, 1 lost) and because it doesn't require additional effort (game has already happened). Replaying the entire group is not feasible and discounts the performance of those not in a tie. Do you agree that in a 3-way tie tiebreakers need to be played? If so then you can obviously see why this decision should be valued over replaying the entire group. And head-to-head as a tiebreaker is not simply 1 guy won and 1 guy lost, because this result is part of the tally that makes the players tied in the first place. Pretend Stephano vs MC is the final match: Stephano is 2-1 and MC is 1-2. MC needs to beat Stephano to even be tied with him in the first place. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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