EPTMaybe blind fanboys will stop praising him as the first sc2 god
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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable. And as always: - No player bashing. - No caster bashing. - No balance whining. Enjoy the games. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
Maybe blind fanboys will stop praising him as the first sc2 god | ||
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bellsprout
Australia219 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:57 masakenji wrote: im pretty sure this happens to all sports. since i live in australia, AFL is a great example. i remember first place was playing against a team that was 9th. Top 8 gets into the finals. 1st decided to bench all their good players and get them rested, cause they don't care bout the result, and as a bonus, both team were in the same state. bitching was then proceeded, discussions was talked about on sports panel. it end up with blunt statements to suck it up and tell your team to play better, 10+ years later, same format and still the most watched sport in australia. Fremantle vs West Coast? I know that wouldn't happen between Adelaide and Port cuz theres a polarizing animosity between those 2. West Aussie footy fans seem to give both teams a fair go... Edit: in any case, resting key players and giving game time to new players is standard...if they keep the #1 spot they'd do the same vs any team. | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:22 Linwelin wrote: Oh Stephano is out, what a surprise.. Oh wait no. Maybe blind fanboys will stop praising him as the first sc2 god Can't be the first sc2 god, there is already a 2nd sc2 god! First was Nestea and now its MVP. | ||
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Mackguy
France40 Posts
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:22 Linwelin wrote: Oh Stephano is out, what a surprise.. Oh wait no. Maybe blind fanboys will stop praising him as the first sc2 god zzzzzzzzzz Did you even watch the games? | ||
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PrAeToR.FeNiX
Canada361 Posts
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quancer
Canada161 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:19 redviper wrote: Tournaments are most certainly NOT about overall performance. Otherwise they would have a fully connected graph. There is an inherent localization in tournaments and this is clearly an evidence of that. MC beat Stephano is more localized than Stephano beat DRG beat MC. Its quite obvious and that is why everyone uses tie breakers. I'm sorry, I don't understand your point about the "fully connected graph" part. I would address that if you could clarify for me. This is the first time I've heard that A > B should be given more priority over B > C > A. Especially in Starcraft, where match-up prowess is such an important variable, this sort of thing leaves too much up to luck. Again, if you could help me understand your first point then perhaps I could form a better response. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:26 HappyChris wrote: zzzzzzzzzz Did you even watch the games? Trolls will be trolls. I didn't even watch the game, but going 2-2 in a group consisting of MVP, MC, Hero and DongRaeGu and only missing out because he lost head-to-head is no small feat. Stephano deserves the hype. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:26 HappyChris wrote: zzzzzzzzzz Did you even watch the games? It might have been close. But he's still out as far as I know... | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:22 Linwelin wrote: Oh Stephano is out, what a surprise.. Oh wait no. Maybe blind fanboys will stop praising him as the first sc2 god He went 2/2 against the best players in the world. Maybe both sides could calm down a little and stop reacting that extreme to each single result. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:05 Crushinator wrote: I do not particularly feel like digging through weeks abn moths old 500 page threads, but if you want to go through the Dreamhack Winter or Summer threads you can find complaints about Grubby being eliminated despite going 2-1 in both of these tournaments. I'm sure there are more and better examples though. This also doesn't matter because the discussion is not less relevant just because it hasn't occured before. Also with the BO1 format the headsup situation is going to occur much more frequently, due to the inexistence of map score differences, so that actually makes this format somewhat unique. Also, like mentioned before the GSL has always taken care that these situations do not occur in their prveious tournaments, with their winner vs winner and loser vs loser format. You're full of shit. People were complaining about the concept of head-to-head, not that match-fixing led to the elimination of Grubby. The complaints in the Blizzard Cup are that people can lose on purpose to sabotage another player. Clearly a fucking different story, but not that you would know since your lazy ass just looked up Liquipedia for someone in a similar predicament without bothering to read up on the full context of the story. Once again, there is no right or wrong format. I can name five things wrong with tie-breaker formats. 1. Tie-breakers format ALSO has the EXACT same potential for match-fixing in which one match can affect the outcome of players not involved in that specific match. 2. They can last forever 3. Players are given time to develop specific strategies against specific opponents in the Blizzard Cup. Having impromptu tie-breakers may not showcase true potential. 4. Additional finance required for additional broadcasting 5. Tiebreakers are bo1 due to time constraints and bo1s are terrible. Blizzard Cup shouldn't be bo1, but that's not limited by head-to-head format. However, three-way (or more) tiebreakers will always have to be bo1 for time issues. User was warned for this post | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:27 quancer wrote: I'm sorry, I don't understand your point about the "fully connected graph" part. I would address that if you could clarify for me. This is the first time I've heard that A > B should be given more priority over B > C > A. Especially in Starcraft, where match-up prowess is such an important variable, this sort of thing leaves too much up to luck. Again, if you could help me understand your first point then perhaps I could form a better response. What he is saying is that a Single Elimination tournament is even more unfair in your book, because direct encounters between players matter even more (highly "localized"). Only a full league system would meet your demands. | ||
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masakenji
Australia415 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:26 HappyChris wrote: zzzzzzzzzz Did you even watch the games? defended an all in by DRG. defeated an "unbeatable" HerO :D failed an all in against MC. told Khaldor he was doing it, cause MC style on that map would be hard for him lost to one of MVP many strong builds. | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:28 Linwelin wrote: It might have been close. But he's still out as far as I know... If you didn't watch the games then why are you talking like you know everything? | ||
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DocSeverinsen
Germany86 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:27 pdd wrote: Trolls will be trolls. I didn't even watch the game, but going 2-2 in a group consisting of MVP, MC, Hero and DongRaeGu and only missing out because he lost head-to-head is no small feat. Stephano deserves the hype. I'm not trolling at all. Stephano is obviously a good player and going 2-2 in such a group is no small feat. But he's not anywhere close to the very best players of the world... That's all I'm saying | ||
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Fluffboll
Sweden516 Posts
Please this crap happens every tournament no matter the format, rules or setup used. I wish people would just give it a rest and enjoy the tournament for what it is. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On December 12 2011 22:31 Linwelin wrote: I'm not trolling at all. Stephano is obviously a good player and going 2-2 in such a group is no small feat. But he's not anywhere close to the very best players of the world... That's all I'm saying These guys at the Blizzard Cup are the very best players in the world .... | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45393 Posts
I honestly didn't expect DRG to be that high on top, but I'm never surprised to see koreans rolling foreigners. It's a pity that Stephano and Hero couldn't give them a run for their money! | ||
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Leifish
851 Posts
I haven't seen the games yet but I'm guessing it was an issue with the nerves? | ||
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