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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable. And as always: - No player bashing. - No caster bashing. - No balance whining. Enjoy the games. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:26 Squeegy wrote: It's not odd at all because it's not the player. It's the fans. Good point there. I've actually seen some of the accusations some people posted about MC losing on purpose. Seriously BM guys  | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:12 SupLilSon wrote: It's a group stage format, aren't they usually a series of best of 1s? Otherwise it would have taken 6+ hours to finish all the games. And so what ? there is a freaking whole day to play the pool, and a full night of rest after...And actually in Europa Bo1 in big tournaments are long gone since 1) they are quite random (did the build I prepare blind counter my opponent build or the other way around ?) 2) don't favor macro games and overall show. Anyways, I don't feel like the tournament was devalued at all. The level of player skill at this tournament is insanely high. Stephano showed some good games, but it's also clear that he is not living up to the hype his fans create for him. I'd say going 2 - 2 is exactly living up to the hype his true fans created (ie those who claim he has his place among the best players in the world). Please don't count the trolls who claim he is the super best player of the universe and that he is an alien sent by Mars to defeat Koreans as true fans, thanks :-) | ||
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Kahlgar
411 Posts
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:28 Kahlgar wrote: it's only bo1 format so pretty volatile but it seems Stephano is Code S material MVP sayd that in his post win interview also | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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gTank
Austria2604 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:26 Squeegy wrote: It's not odd at all because it's not the player. It's the fans. its allmost like with MLP ! he is good, no doubt about it, but i don't get why he gets more talk by going 2-2 as the other players...even her0 who disappointed me a bit gets close to no place in the spotlight. | ||
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sopas
509 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:26 Squeegy wrote: It's not odd at all because it's not the player. It's the fans. so people are antifans becos he has fans? wow... that's so sad. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Pool play often gets a bit silly till the end as the match becomes irrelevant for one player. DRG was lucky to get two games in the end that didn't matter for his opponent. First hero who was already out and then MC who was already through. They didn't throw their games but they did seem to play a little less then usual which is understandable, if the game is irrelevant why would they be bothered to invest in a long macro game.. | ||
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
extremely surprised hero got 0-4'd.. but it WAS insane group so can't say anything poorly about him | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:35 Markwerf wrote: Nice games today and quite unlucky result for stephano in the end.. Pool play often gets a bit silly till the end as the match becomes irrelevant for one player. DRG was lucky to get two games in the end that didn't matter for his opponent. First hero who was already out and then MC who was already through. They didn't throw their games but they did seem to play a little less then usual which is understandable, if the game is irrelevant why would they be bothered to invest in a long macro game.. Agreed, they were obviously still playing to win, but from my judgement they weren't playing with the standard intensity. Not to discredit DRG in anyway though, he played two very good games. | ||
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GuoJing
France30 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
At least Mvp advanced Maybe the TeamLiquid preview won't overrate HerO so much next time, too  | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:27 quancer wrote: Because in this scenario MC needs to defeat Stephano to be even on score with him--MC is 1-2 and Stephano 2-1, remember. This is to say that it is a must-win for MC to be on at least equal footing with Stephano in the eyes of the tournament. Even though Stephano has already won 1 more match than MC, using head-to-head as a tiebreaker means that MC has more to gain from prevailing in this final match than Stephano has to gain from prevailing. You are artificially putting them on equal footing, when they are not, by allowing this one match determine who advances, even though Stephano comes into the match already having accomplished more than MC (i.e. has a better "score"). Say what now? They have an equal amount to gain. At the start of the match both haven't qualified. At the end of the match one has. Thats all there is to it. Regardless the situation is hypothetical anyways since it didn't turn out like that. Stephano was 2-0 and proceeded to get knocked out 2-2. A tiebreaker match is a discrete competition whose winner's group stage score is given priority over that of the loser's. The event is separate, and so the winner is simply given priority, regardless of previous results. All we know is that MC and Stephano are tied in the eyes of the tournament, and that whoever wins the tiebreaker match is given the go-ahead. Considerations of bo3 record or whatever do not need to enter into this. Yes but you haven't explained the why of it. I get what a tie breaker discrete match is. But I don't get why should we have a discrete match when we already have a tie breaker built into the group matches. Why play them again when they already played once? | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:30 sopas wrote: so people are antifans becos he has fans? wow... that's so sad. IMO they're two types of fans and 2 types of anti fans of stephano Fans: 1. Those who fall for the hype a player like stephano has brought, beating quite a few koreans and foreigners in his short time and his ladder runs. 2. Those who actually like his play and style, and enjoy watching his stream. Anti-Fans 1. Those who are tired of everyone so hyping him so much, they want him to fall because they're tired of reading "stephano best foreinger new bonjwa" 2. Fans of Idra the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated... | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:35 Markwerf wrote: Nice games today and quite unlucky result for stephano in the end.. Pool play often gets a bit silly till the end as the match becomes irrelevant for one player. DRG was lucky to get two games in the end that didn't matter for his opponent. First hero who was already out and then MC who was already through. They didn't throw their games but they did seem to play a little less then usual which is understandable, if the game is irrelevant why would they be bothered to invest in a long macro game.. I think this is why Stephano isn't liked. Stephano was lucky he won a ZvZ and beat an out of form hero. When the time came to play less fickle matches against good opponents he couldn't cut it. Does that mean he is bad? No. But it also doesn't mean that DRG's 1st place should be undervalued. And it certainly doesn't mean that he can hang with the big boys. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
Sigh... TL.. when will you grow Also, how the fuck did MC win in those awful maps... I see people talking about Stephano allining. Why the hell would you all in MC when he's absolutely and terribly uncomfortable with macro PvZ in that map? It sounds ridiculous. A tiebreaker match is a discrete competition whose winner's group stage score is given priority over that of the loser's. The event is separate, and so the winner is simply given priority, regardless of previous results. All we know is that MC and Stephano are tied in the eyes of the tournament, and that whoever wins the tiebreaker match is given the go-ahead. Considerations of bo3 record or whatever do not need to enter into this. | ||
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MuK_x
743 Posts
sigh. Also HerO dont be sad boy! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45412 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:29 Tommylew wrote: the problem is its like a relationship... Idra fan boys can not love another player... it Idra or nothing and that is why Stephano gets so much grief on this forum lol I don't know about that one, to be honest. Is Fanboy being defined as "an obsessed, crazy-ass fan who hates other players and only cares about one pro-gamer in particular"? I consider myself a big fan of IdrA, but also a big fan of other players, including other Zergs. I just don't happen to be a huge fan of Stephano, but I don't think that being a fan of Stephano or IdrA has to be dichotomous or even mutually exclusive. I think, in general, some people who are fans of some players act a bit over the top, and it tends to stereotype the whole group of people who like a player (or even stereotype the player himself). And that's where the problem lies. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote: IMO they're two types of fans and 2 types of anti fans of stephano Fans: 1. Those who fall for the hype a player like stephano has brought, beating quite a few koreans and foreigners in his short time and his ladder runs. 2. Those who actually like his play and style, and enjoy watching his stream. Anti-Fans 1. Those who are tired of everyone so hyping him so much, they want him to fall because they're tired of reading "stephano best foreinger new bonjwa" 2. Fans of Idra the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated... I cant understand "part 2 of the anti fans" I simply dont get it why Idra and his fans are so intimidated by Stephano. I have never once seen an interview where Stephano says anything negative about Idra. Matter in fact Stephano only got good things to say about Idra. I have seen pleanty of Idra interviews where he indirectly attack Stephano. Overrated etc I dont get it | ||
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