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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable. And as always: - No player bashing. - No caster bashing. - No balance whining. Enjoy the games. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On December 12 2011 21:39 Ysellian wrote: I'm pretty sure that if MC and DRG were teammates such a scenario would be considered by Gom. Yes, this has already happened in the up and die matches, in that case GOM makes teammates play their match first. | ||
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Kahlgar
411 Posts
Even the fanboys know that Stephano is not the best player in the world but the impressive part about his current showing is that he is the only "foreigner trained" player that is actually good enough to put up a fight against Korea's best. It will be awesome to see how he develops after some time training in the oGs house. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't know about that one, to be honest. Is Fanboy being defined as "an obsessed, crazy-ass fan who hates other players and only cares about one pro-gamer in particular"? I consider myself a big fan of IdrA, but also a big fan of other players, including other Zergs. I just don't happen to be a huge fan of Stephano, but I don't think that being a fan of Stephano or IdrA has to be dichotomous or even mutually exclusive. I think, in general, some people who are fans of some players act a bit over the top, and it tends to stereotype the whole group of people who like a player (or even stereotype the player himself). And that's where the problem lies. I used to be a big Idra fan but I didnt like how he didnt respect new an up comming players. Like Stephano and Nerchio. And then I started to watch Stephano stream and slowly faded away from Idra. I still enjoy Idra when he plays his A game. But atm I seem to be in the middle of a war vs the Idra fans and I wont back down. bahh Maybe I should would be great if both groups would just come together | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:48 HappyChris wrote: I cant understand "part 2 of the anti fans" I simply dont get it why Idra and his fans are so intimidated by Stephano. I have never once seen an interview where Stephano says anything negative about Idra. Matter in fact Stephano only got good things to say about Idra. I have seen pleanty of Idra interviews where he indirectly attack Stephano. Overrated etc I dont get it I dont feel that IdrA is intimiated by Stephano but hes seen people like him win a few tourneys at the start of their career and fall off and thats where he gets his negetivity from. IdrA's fans well you can see he has the biggest fanpage on TL by far and you have to consider that if they're big enough fans, they're his followers. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2333 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:44 mordk wrote: So Stephano loses and people are claiming match-fixing issues? Sigh... TL.. when will you grow Also, how the fuck did MC win in those awful maps... I see people talking about Stephano allining. Why the hell would you all in MC when he's absolutely and terribly uncomfortable with macro PvZ in that map? It sounds ridiculous. When will people like you grow, who come in and pass judgement when they didn't even watch the games. It's totally irrelevant who lost out in the tiebreaker, it's happened now and it's happened before, and will happen almost every time in the future. It's human nature, when there is nothing on the line, you don't bring your A game. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:53 foxmeep wrote: When will people like you grow, who come in and pass judgement when they didn't even watch the games. It's totally irrelevant who lost out in the tiebreaker, it's happened now and it's happened before, and will happen almost every time in the future. It's human nature, when there is nothing on the line, you don't bring your A game. No matter how the games went, match-fixing talk is ridiculous. Every single time it is. And yeah, that's why I said it "sounds" ridiculous, maybe you should learn how to read. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:30 sopas wrote: so people are antifans becos he has fans? wow... that's so sad. This is pretty common in all sports. As soon as one player gets too much love the anti-fans come out of the shadows to "balance the scale" or something. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2333 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:54 mordk wrote: No matter how the games went, match-fixing talk is ridiculous. Every single time it is. Who the fuck is talking about match fixing? We're talking about pool play where the outcome of a game no longer matters, giving no incentive for one player to play his heart out. This has nothing to do with "match fixing". And yeah, that's why I said it "sounds" ridiculous, maybe you should learn how to read. Yes you wrote "it sounds ridiculous" in a paragraph talking about Stephano going all in, something that I didn't refer to at all. Sorry if you don't understand how English works. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44327 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:55 nihlon wrote: This is pretty common in all sports. As soon as one player gets too much love the anti-fans come out of the shadows to "balance the scale" or something. And "too much love" is usually characterized by creating threads about how a player is a bonjwa because they've won a tournament or two (not GSL, and certainly not the top player for a long period of time) or how an entire tournament should be revamped *only* because said player got screwed (and this wouldn't be an issue if any other player was in the same situation). And this goes for any player, not just Stephano and his fans. It's happened before as well. | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
Idra cant really talk shit about stephano because idra has a 1 dimensional ZvT also, puma said it himself at NASL, "idra does the same thing so i countered and win". Remember DRG was accused of the same sort of play too, he was known as 2 base fast muta zerg everygame, Its only now DRG is switching it up with all ins and including roaches. Anyway, I hope at least naniwa makes it out tomorrow. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:11 BlazeFury01 wrote: Your post is a prime example of what I was talking about. Alright, so Nestea and MVP are multiple GSL title holders, right? So basically, your telling me that even if a foreigner beats MVP or Nestea "in a tournament setting" they still haven't proved anything? That's such an arrogant and bias comment. First off, if a foreigner beats a GSL champion in a straight up game I believe that's plenty of "proof" to say they are a great player. But instead, the crowd will say, "OH NESTEA OR MVP PLAYED BAD" overlooking how well they really played, just because they lost to a foreigner. If a Foreigner beats a top Korean on ladder the excuse is "OH THERE WAS LAG, NESTEA, MVP SUFFERED FROM LAG THAT'S WHY THEY LOST". If Koreans lose to a foreigner at a tournament setting the excuse is "OH HE'S JETLAGGED". But, when a foreigner loses, it's always something critical. It's a shame that the international scene is so bias toward Koreans and so harsh on their own countrymen. This is not Brood War, where koreans completely dominated the scene and there were little to no foreigner teams in the league. This is SC2, where Koreans and Foreigners can compete at the same level competitively. Koreans are still human, they are not invincible and certainly not unbeatable. I love both worlds. Stop being so harsh on foreigners just because they didn't advance. Instead pat their back for making it there in the first place because they certainly weren't given the spot in blizzcup, they earned it. As long as foreigners dont win at least Code A it will always be Korea > rest of the world. It is just a matter of fact that expect jinro and idra in the early tournaments no one even got close to making it to a final. A lot of the top foreigners tried, and they all failed. Just look at the stats of the best foreigners: naniwa 1-8 Huk 30-35 sase 1-6 select 2-4 sjow 2-3 ret 6-9 sheth 3-4 sen 2-3 jinro 28-34 with 2 impressive runs in the third and fourth season, but that was a long time ago hero 13-20(and he even is korean lol!) the only one with positive stats that i found are idra with 16-10 (and puma of course xD) All of these have career stats of >55%, some even >60% and have probably won 90% of the major foreign tournaments. Now you will of course want to write "ey but foreigners are beating top tier koreans all the time, naniwa won the MLG global over MVP and nestea, stephano IPL 3 and beat thestc and lucky, huk beat mc, even haypro beat nestea bla bla bla. Also Stephano Nerchio Kas never entered GSL, how do you want to know if they wouldnt just roflstomp all these....." It doesn't matter. When koreans enter a foreign tournament they will automatically be candidates for the title. When a foreigner enters a GSL he is as good as gone. Until that changes (probably never) koreans will always be > foreigners. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:56 foxmeep wrote: Who the fuck is talking about match fixing? We're talking about pool play where the outcome of a game no longer matters, giving no incentive for one player to play his heart out. This has nothing to do with "match fixing". Lots of posters have at least implied it in their posts... And of course MC played his heart out. He's a competitor he doesn't need any more incentive than that. We all know from his interviews how eager he is to show he's not going down. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:44 dapierow wrote: the second type of antifan is because of the fact Idra has said stephano is overrated... IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On December 12 2011 20:15 zZygote wrote: Gotta love those tight chokes... makes it almost impossible to flank a protoss as a Zerg. That map completely favors Terran and Protoss because of those small chokepoints on the third... GG none the less, if Stephano stopped his unit production when he was all-inning and immediately started droning instead, he still had the advantage with the amount of probes he killed early on. did you state that dual sight favors protoss lol? | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:56 foxmeep wrote: Who the fuck is talking about match fixing? We're talking about pool play where the outcome of a game no longer matters, giving no incentive for one player to play his heart out. This has nothing to do with "match fixing". Who is talking about match fixing: + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2011 20:47 ambrosiaa wrote: im sure mc will let drg win so that the top 3 will be koreans. On December 12 2011 20:47 BBMorti wrote: Of course MC will lose no matter what now, Koreans will help each others go on tbh. On December 12 2011 20:56 asdads wrote: MC hates stephano imo he will purposely lose so another korean makes it through. Thats why stephano is so tense. IMO. On December 12 2011 21:18 NHY wrote: Not hard to explain. You two think MC threw that game on purpose. Nice try. On December 12 2011 21:20 Holdinga wrote: Dont hate on MC for losing the match, no Korean will F!@# over another Korean in these cases, it is absolutely normal. hate on the rules. It shouldnt have been head to head record, there should have been a final tie breaker, so loser plays versus Stephano And there are incentives: better seeding and pride. The same incentives that NBA/NFL teams have during the season even though they've already clinched playoff berth. And tie-breaker format also has the potential for a player to be eliminated during tie-breaker matches, but still be able to affect the outcome of a third-party player by winning/losing. And if you read MC's interview, you would know he brought his A-game against DRG. If you played SC2 at a high level and watched the game, you would know MC brought his A-game. If you knew anything about MC's PvZ background and Crossfire, you would know MC brought his A-game. So to suggest that MC didn't bring his A-game based on your reasoning of what YOU would do if you were in MC's position is still disrespectful. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
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latan
740 Posts
about the current discussion: If nothing's on the line, you won't play your best, It doesn't matter how arrogant you are. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote: IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. He didnt say that. He sayd there is hard counters to Stpehano´s style in ZvZ. And ofcourse there is but I seen a a million ZvZ from stephano and he can do it all. DRG just pissed becuase he lost to a better ZvZ player | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:04 SafeAsCheese wrote: IdrA said that stephano's style will be figured out by the koreans and he will stop winning as much DRG said the EXACT same thing in his winner interview, it's in the community forum if you want to see. Look at one of the recent video interviews, i forget which one, but a few weeks before NASL I believe, he states Stephano is overrated. | ||
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