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On November 29 2011 03:49 0neder wrote:
Frankly, I'm glad to see MVP not win it all. Leenock and the rising generation, along with the influx of truly a-class BW pros like ForGG, will be gradually replacing mediocre BWers like him and Nestea. It has already begun...We ain't seen nothin' yet.
You seem to forget that regardless of how good BW pros are/were they are still different games, and even once they start flooding in I can't see it being this insane domination of the current top SC2 players. Also how does being a mediocre BW player have anything to do with being bad in SC2 or eventually getting replaced? I know NaDa wasn't doing well insanely when he left BW but he has done WAAAAY more in BW than MVP did and well, I don't see any GSL titles for NaDa(as much as I love the guy) do I? Lets not forget also that MVP took a game or so off Flash when he was in literal godmode so I wouldn't write him off as such a slouch.
Either way, still upset MVP lost lol but hoping that Leenock will beat Jjakji
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On November 29 2011 03:08 YoiChiBow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 02:50 hotwings wrote:On November 29 2011 02:38 Chicane wrote:On November 29 2011 02:16 Antithesis wrote:
I rarely watch GSL, but today I'd have loved to see the MVP vs. Leenock series. Holy crap, be 16, beat MVP. Why do people keep mentioning his age over and over? It is quite impressive that he got into it at such a young age, but now that he has it isn't like he has some inherent mental disadvantage that makes him beating MVP while being 16 so amazing. It's the same reason why people were impressed with older people doing well in sc2. As you grow older your priorities change alot. Older people are often more caught up in stuff like getting married, kids, and paying for thier mortgage. So when an older person is able to throw themselves whole heartedly into a single persuit and succeed it's atypical. The same applies for a 16 year old. At 16 I was worried about getting girls, and figuring out wtf I was going to do with the rest of my life. At 16 leenock is able to focus and be truly great at something. Finding that "something" often takes people a whole lifetime to achieve. Or just take Leenock's 16 year old approach. If I become enough off a BAUCE WITH THE SAUCE at SC2. I'll get the B*%##ES :D
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Damn can't wait to watch leenock vs mvp considering its zvt, and according to jinro its an amazing series :D
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game one and two just blew my mind, watching the rest now @_@
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On November 29 2011 02:22 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 01:40 Flonomenalz wrote:On November 29 2011 00:43 s4life wrote:On November 28 2011 22:50 Zalithian wrote:
This is always how things go. Whoever wins recently = THE BEST EVER. Same with every player really. The hype train just cannot be stopped. Stephano doing well on ladder? OMG STEPHANO IS THE BEST FOREIGNER OF ALL TIME. Hero wins his first tournament ever? OMG HE IS THE BEST PROTOSS IN THE WORLD. Naniwa won like 5 matches at Providence? BEST TOSS IN THE WORLD HANDS DOWN.
It's really silly. There's no denying all those players are really good, but just because someone does really well at something recently certainly does not make them the best. Yup, the underlying points being: a) Luck plays a huge role in SC2, much more so than BW. b) Compared to BW pros, pretty much every SC2 player -- except maybe for MVP -- sucks big time as it only takes a few weeks for his style to be 'found out'. c) There is no best in the world in SC2 ala Flash, Jaedong or Bisu -- maybe except for MVP -- there are several players at the top, who can take off games of each other at any point, tournaments and stakes level. All I got from your post was BW elitism, lmao. I'm pretty sure Nestea and MVP have been considered the best in the world in SC2 for more than "a few weeks". You act like Flash, Jaedong and Bisu never lose games and win every title. There are plenty of top players in BW that can take games off of each other at any point in any tournament. You see, Flash will lose against Janbi in the finals, a top player, Nestea will lose against Haypro, MVP against Leenok - who two weeks ago was not considered a fav to win anything. You will never see Flash or Jaedong losing against rookies or ladder heroes or unknown/average players in tournament settings, and it's not BW elitism, it's just recognizing that SC2 is in its infancy.
Nestea lost against Haypro after an entire weekend of playing a ton of games from the Open Bracket, God forbid he gets tired, or jetlagged, or even outplayed once out of X amount of ZvZs. MVP lost against a very good Leenock who is now a favorite to win Code S. So trying to insinuate that he's not good is pretty stupid.
You're saying the EXACT same things people used to say in BW. Remember Flash vs Bisu Daum OSL? Of course you do, because 99% of the world expected Bisu to roll Flash. Then Flash, who, using your own words about Leenock, "wasn't a favorite to win anything" cheesed out Bisu, to much hate from fans. But he beat him.
If you KNOW SC2 is in it's infancy, why are you bringing up such criticisms?
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Leenock wins... awww yeeee
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Although mvp lost the series, he is still by far the best player in the world. The games that Leenock won were stupid mistakes by mvp that he usually doesnt do and Leenock knew how to take advantage of it. Leenock just seems like a player who knows how to press advantages. I can't wait to see him at GSL finals, if he continues to play the way he plays, he should win easily.
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jakji.. if he wins... well.
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please lennock dont pull an mma vs polt =o.
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On November 29 2011 05:18 l3ird wrote:
jakji.. if he wins... well.
Haha the fan rage will reach levels that we haven't seen in a long time.
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On November 29 2011 05:27 NipponBanzai wrote:Haha the fan rage will reach levels that we haven't seen in a long time.
Lol I kind of want to see that happen just to see how bad it gets ^^
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eh Leenock did not do anything special to win. Game 1 lost all his expansions over and over and came back with an easy brood lord + transfuse combo that easily took him from 170 vs 180 to like 140 vs 100. Game 2 1a'ing with banelings to take the easy lead and playing terribly for the rest of the game. Baneling landmines that either 1. break even in resources lost with the scan, or 2. instantly end the game. Leenock mostly just turtled and defended with super-mobile mutalisks and zerglings that are faster than the speed of light on creep vs a desperate MVP trying to attack/harass all over the map. Rooting for jjakji to wipe out Leenock with his mass marines/medivacs.
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Leenock did it :\
This kids going to be good!~
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wow, who predicted a leenock - jjakji finals at the start of the season? Leenock is on a tear right now though, don't see him losing in the finals
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Leenock did well. But game 2 really showed that you better bring your best if you're gonna take down MVP.
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Damn, go Leenock!!!! This kid is absolutely insane, and hes only gonna get better and hes still got years of his peak performance left or still to come.
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FUCK YEAH!!!
I actually didn't see the results before watching. Omg such a good series ^^
The last game was =O lol. Wow Leenock, you're so fucking good... possibly even better than Nestea now? o.o He's so young too, and he's not in school so... hurray for him. I wish I could do that 
Anyway seems like the finals will suck again. (I'm only saying this so it might jinx and actually be good).
Either that or MVP is simply slumping a bit and Leenock won't actually roflstomp jjakji too easily, if at all.
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You know Leenock, even though you beat MVP at Providence and went on to take the title, I was still kind of happy for you because you had had such a run of bad luck earlier this year. But now that you've knocked out my favorite player two tournaments in a row and deprived me of an MVP TvT clinic in the finals, you're on my shit list. I hope Jjakji stomps you 4-0.
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and hes done it!!!! go leenock
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Great series. Congrats to Leenock. But even in defeat, I have to say MVP impressed me even more than usual. Other than game 5, his play was unreal.
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