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Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
November 28 2011 22:50 GMT
#3801
On November 29 2011 07:43 ayeZuN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 07:34 MonkSEA wrote:
On November 29 2011 06:39 1Eris1 wrote:
On November 29 2011 04:32 Share_The_Land wrote:
On November 29 2011 03:49 0neder wrote:
Frankly, I'm glad to see MVP not win it all. Leenock and the rising generation, along with the influx of truly a-class BW pros like ForGG, will be gradually replacing mediocre BWers like him and Nestea. It has already begun...We ain't seen nothin' yet.


You seem to forget that regardless of how good BW pros are/were they are still different games, and even once they start flooding in I can't see it being this insane domination of the current top SC2 players. Also how does being a mediocre BW player have anything to do with being bad in SC2 or eventually getting replaced? I know NaDa wasn't doing well insanely when he left BW but he has done WAAAAY more in BW than MVP did and well, I don't see any GSL titles for NaDa(as much as I love the guy) do I? Lets not forget also that MVP took a game or so off Flash when he was in literal godmode so I wouldn't write him off as such a slouch.

Either way, still upset MVP lost lol but hoping that Leenock will beat Jjakji



MVP was "technically" a more mechanically talented player than Nada in BW. Nada had a lot of his sucess when MVP would have been a middle schooler. (That does not mean MVP>Nada what so ever)

Think of how basketball players are a lot stronger and more strategic than players of old. Nada is like Wilt Chamberlain, an amazingly talented and the dominant player of his time, but the game has changed a ton since he played, and it's pretty visible that he would have had a different sucess level had he played later.

Obviously, Nada is the better overall BW player than MVP, he revolutionzed the game, set tons of records, but eventually he dropped off like all the greats do. By the time MVP came on the scene, the game was much more developed and refined and so he was able to use that to his advantage. It's highly unlikely that MVP would have had Nada's level of sucess had he played in Nada's time, however it is impossible to honestly know.
It's hard to compare players of anything from different eras. Who's to say how Babe Ruth would have done in a era where pitchers used different pitches and teams used different strategies?

And to be fair to Nada, the dude is in college , and he's still incredibly consistent.


Whenever someone uses this stupid reason why NaDa isn't doing well, I tell them to look at Polt.


Didnt Polt win the super tournament when he was on summer break and away from his university responsibilities? I think he has been performing subpar since then too.


He beat MMA 4-0, with brute force tactics, which seems to be MMA's major weakness(he doesn't fare well to powerful protoss balls either )
Phaint
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada211 Posts
November 28 2011 22:59 GMT
#3802
Oz really didn't look solid today, the better player won.

MVP on the other hand looked amazing and still lost! Major slip in game 5, but Leenock's win was completely deserved nonetheless. Can't believe he kept up that entire series. Dem Zerg Walls!~
kash2k
Profile Joined November 2010
139 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 23:15:16
November 28 2011 23:04 GMT
#3803
in form vs class player

Leenock always provided some oof the most entertaining games, ever since he started competing in GSL. Results not always went his way, this is also why he got so many fans.

But this November everything seems to go his way, he is still same class player that plays like a beast, just small important things seems to go his way.

Was rooting for Oz, /cryface
Cheering for Kyrix, Genius, SlayerSBoxer and ret!
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
November 28 2011 23:04 GMT
#3804
aww i know leenocks been on a tear.. but i was really hoping for mvp here :[
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 28 2011 23:09 GMT
#3805
just watched the vods... so happy for leenock!
jiakji and leenock, two up and comers so close to achieving their ultimate dream!
too bad one has to be eliminated for the other to be crowned champion!
Divergence
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada363 Posts
November 28 2011 23:19 GMT
#3806
Leenock vs MVP was unbelievable.

Amazing series.

I'm so happy for Leenock.
Xayvier
Profile Joined November 2010
United States387 Posts
November 28 2011 23:23 GMT
#3807
Could anyone have predicted results like these?
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 23:28:28
November 28 2011 23:25 GMT
#3808
On November 29 2011 03:49 0neder wrote:
Frankly, I'm glad to see MVP not win it all. Leenock and the rising generation, along with the influx of truly a-class BW pros like ForGG, will be gradually replacing mediocre BWers like him and Nestea. It has already begun...We ain't seen nothin' yet.


people don't ever change or get better amirite? they are forever labeled by their past record, success or failure

I never understands the appeal of zerg. Everytime when I see ZvT, its always about how Terran does the aggression and how they respond when engagement begins. Though that has alot to do with flawed zerg design.

Hopefully in HOTS they give zerg more micro intensive units and remove their macro capability.
Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
November 28 2011 23:30 GMT
#3809
Well, MVP vs Leenock went exactly as I thought, maps just give so much of a hint in these games. Finals will be interesting, I think Jjakji can come up with something to throw at Leenock though he has the momentum now.
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 23:32:15
November 28 2011 23:30 GMT
#3810
On November 29 2011 07:42 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 07:34 SeaSwift wrote:
On November 29 2011 07:16 Juvant wrote:
On November 29 2011 07:06 forgottendreams wrote:
On November 29 2011 05:27 NipponBanzai wrote:
On November 29 2011 05:18 l3ird wrote:
jakji.. if he wins... well.


Haha the fan rage will reach levels that we haven't seen in a long time.


I've been out of the scene sort of, but I kind of skipped out right when jjakji made it to code S.

Why would fan rage be high? What is there to hate about this young hyper aggressive padawan who blessed us with awesome Korean Weekly games?



I always thought jjakji had been quietly considered one of the best players in the world as of late. Perhaps it's because a Toss is out? Not sure.


Because we just had the most amazing ZvT of all time, between the two highest level players of all time, and Leenock has a massive fanbase atm. Jjakji has very few fans, so if J beats Leenock, who just beat the "best" Terran in the world, there will be massive nerdrage.


Well that's too bad, I guess I've always been a fanboy of hyper aggressive players like jjakji/nani/puzzle/puma but they often are the target of alot of hate.

I guess I'm going against the grain and saying JJAKJI HWAITING!!!


It's not so much about how he plays, all that matters is that Jjakji is a Terran player who probably is worse than MVP. If he beats Leenock who has a lot of fans right now and is really likable, the cries of Terran imba will be like none we've ever seen before.

If you're a Terran player who isn't MVP or Bomber, basically every game you win causes people to rage on these forums.
Kubricks
Profile Joined November 2011
284 Posts
November 28 2011 23:33 GMT
#3811
Mvp being out makes me so sad. No matter, he'll win Blizz Cup and go God-mode for 2012.

But what a series to be taken out in, well played all around.
cydereal
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States193 Posts
November 28 2011 23:55 GMT
#3812
We are witnessing the awakening of a beast.
GerardJoling
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands7 Posts
November 29 2011 00:01 GMT
#3813
Oh, how I love this. All the MVP fanboys upset :D
Leenock was playing great and owned MVP twice now. So happy for this kiddo!
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
November 29 2011 00:05 GMT
#3814
The saddest thing is that MVP didn't even get a shot of his face after losing the series, wtf GOM.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 00:23:58
November 29 2011 00:23 GMT
#3815
Leenock played one hell of a game. Damn this kid is good.
MVP played brilliant as well. Super close games. I liked it.
I had a good night of sleep.
sickra
Profile Joined March 2011
68 Posts
November 29 2011 00:28 GMT
#3816
Congrats to Leenock. He is a rising star. I hope MVP gains even more fans though. Even in losing he played some sick games.
FORCEFIELD CAGE MARAUDER DIE DIE!!!
sirreginold
Profile Joined September 2011
United States557 Posts
November 29 2011 00:34 GMT
#3817
Leenock pretty much played the map. He had enough zerglings and mutas that MVP was never going to get a 3rd up. Sad that MVP lost but Leenock played that last game perfectly.
Share_The_Land
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada152 Posts
November 29 2011 00:37 GMT
#3818
On November 29 2011 06:39 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 04:32 Share_The_Land wrote:
On November 29 2011 03:49 0neder wrote:
Frankly, I'm glad to see MVP not win it all. Leenock and the rising generation, along with the influx of truly a-class BW pros like ForGG, will be gradually replacing mediocre BWers like him and Nestea. It has already begun...We ain't seen nothin' yet.


You seem to forget that regardless of how good BW pros are/were they are still different games, and even once they start flooding in I can't see it being this insane domination of the current top SC2 players. Also how does being a mediocre BW player have anything to do with being bad in SC2 or eventually getting replaced? I know NaDa wasn't doing well insanely when he left BW but he has done WAAAAY more in BW than MVP did and well, I don't see any GSL titles for NaDa(as much as I love the guy) do I? Lets not forget also that MVP took a game or so off Flash when he was in literal godmode so I wouldn't write him off as such a slouch.

Either way, still upset MVP lost lol but hoping that Leenock will beat Jjakji



MVP was "technically" a more mechanically talented player than Nada in BW. Nada had a lot of his sucess when MVP would have been a middle schooler. (That does not mean MVP>Nada what so ever)

Think of how basketball players are a lot stronger and more strategic than players of old. Nada is like Wilt Chamberlain, an amazingly talented and the dominant player of his time, but the game has changed a ton since he played, and it's pretty visible that he would have had a different sucess level had he played later.

Obviously, Nada is the better overall BW player than MVP, he revolutionzed the game, set tons of records, but eventually he dropped off like all the greats do. By the time MVP came on the scene, the game was much more developed and refined and so he was able to use that to his advantage. It's highly unlikely that MVP would have had Nada's level of sucess had he played in Nada's time, however it is impossible to honestly know.
It's hard to compare players of anything from different eras. Who's to say how Babe Ruth would have done in a era where pitchers used different pitches and teams used different strategies?

And to be fair to Nada, the dude is in college , and he's still incredibly consistent.


Sir, I like the cut of your jib thank you for the reply. You make some great points
"Turns out he's a former Counterstrike pro and grabs his ak!" - Tasteless
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
November 29 2011 00:41 GMT
#3819
I just viewed the VODs for game 5 of leenock vs mvp again.
It seems like MVP was relying on muscle memory reaction...

Typically, the supply depo would be lowered and when he sees zerglings, mvp would just reflex raise the depots.
However! In game 5, the depots were already raised. When mvp saw all those zerglings and banelings, he panicked and clicked on his depots, only to lower them by mistake!
That was pretty awful, but it's understandable.

Somebody should tell IMMVP to change his hotkeys.
Lower and raising supply depots should not be on the same hotkeys or on hotkeys that are next to one another....
prevent shit like that from happening.
moo...for DRG
Juicebox
Profile Joined January 2011
United States13 Posts
November 29 2011 02:55 GMT
#3820
Everytime I go to bed before the end of a GSL, I miss the best series ever... : (
Juicy Juice
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