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On November 29 2011 03:04 1Eris1 wrote:
Thoughts on MVP vs Leenock
Great series, there is no doubt in my mind now that Leenock is the best zerg in the world atm. Nestea has been playing ridiculously poor considering his normal play for some time now, and the only reason people were still calling him the best zerg was because it was unclear who among DRG/Leenock/Coca/etc were the best.
Leenock has been around since GSL Season 2, where he lost to Nada 2-1 in the ro16. The next season he came back and trounched Clide in one of the most hyped macro series ever. Even when he fell down to Code A later on, nobody could deny that he was there because of his terrible luck in oppenents instead of just bad play. Now leenock is back, and looking consistenly strong everywhere. The only place Nestea might have on him is ZvZ, but Leenock blows him out of the water in ZvT and ZvP, and not just in mechanics, but understanding. (MLG finals is a great example of this.)

Is Leenock the best player overall right now? No I do not think so. He has had two great runs so far, but he has dropped games, and not just to MVP. Also his games against MVP today were close, on ZERG FAVORED maps. I think that, in a bo7, MVP would still be the favorite. Not to mention MVP is considerably stronger in his mirror mu. As for vs P, it's hard to say. It has always been MVP's weakness, but he did trounch MC at MLG, so it's hard to say. Given time to prepare, I'm sure MVP's vP would be top notch.

So yeah, Leenock is definetely one of the top 2/top 3 players in the world right now. But I would urge everyone to wait on calling him the best in the world for at least a little while longer. Just remember, MVP's latest 3 tournament results are 2nd, 4th, and 3rd/4th, that is still amazingly sick. Lets see how Leenock does vs Jjaki before we decide anything.

Oh, and I guess the one good thing about Leenock losing is we can stop with this bonjwa crap. Can we please just leave that term for BW and come up with a different one for the current best player in SC2, like bongjiggidy or something?

On November 29 2011 03:10 rysecake wrote:


You make it sound as if mvp's tvp is weak. It's not. Relative to his other 2 matchups, (73% tvt, 68% tvz) yes it looks weak. But a 61% tvp is by no means weak overall.

On November 29 2011 03:11 1Eris1 wrote:



No where do I say it's weak? I said it was his weakness, I.E. his weakest matchup. If you read the whole thing you would notice I said it was still top notch, just not on par with his godly vsZ and T. =)

On November 29 2011 02:50 hotwings wrote:


It's the same reason why people were impressed with older people doing well in sc2. As you grow older your priorities change alot. Older people are often more caught up in stuff like getting married, kids, and paying for thier mortgage. So when an older person is able to throw themselves whole heartedly into a single persuit and succeed it's atypical. The same applies for a 16 year old. At 16 I was worried about getting girls, and figuring out wtf I was going to do with the rest of my life. At 16 leenock is able to focus and be truly great at something. Finding that "something" often takes people a whole lifetime to achieve.

On November 29 2011 02:48 s4life wrote:


Well, Jangbi was a previous Starleague winner and quite capable of beating anyone at his best, hardly the unknown/average player with no previous accomplishments of any sort like Haypro or two-weeks-ago Leenok. My point is that SC2 due to being a newer game or an 'easier' game or a game in which luck plays a more important role than BW, makes it very hard for players to be consistent. Last DH winter tourney we saw DRG, Idra, Kas, Thorzain, Huk, Sase, Genius and so on lose against lesser players. That's something you don't see in BW tbh. This isn't BW elitism, but definitely it needs to be said to put in perspective how far along is SC2.

On November 29 2011 03:35 ImperialTea wrote:
Lol just realized that the 3 championship curse seems to exist in SC2, no one has achieved more than 3 gsl championships :D Jjakji is a good player, looking at his path to the finals, but i feel like Leenock will 4-0 in pure gsl finals tradition...

On November 29 2011 04:02 Thurokiir wrote:
Lol god speed to jjijaki - facing off against the zvt king leenock coming off a win from MVP/Prov.

Leenock first player to get two continent titles in a month?

On November 29 2011 04:03 Thurokiir wrote:


I wish it was Oz there so badly, it'd generate a seriously amazing show.

On November 29 2011 03:49 0neder wrote:
Frankly, I'm glad to see MVP not win it all. Leenock and the rising generation, along with the influx of truly a-class BW pros like ForGG, will be gradually replacing mediocre BWers like him and Nestea. It has already begun...We ain't seen nothin' yet.