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CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
November 24 2011 23:20 GMT
#4721
On November 25 2011 08:18 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:17 enemy2010 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:15 Tsubbi wrote:
not giving respect to his opponents is part of idra's terrible mindset, he should blame himself and only himself for losing to be able to learn and improve from his losses

Maybe he does blame himself?

How can you say this about someone who "doesnt gg" or seems "bad mannered"?


He does blame himself for losses, he doesn't GG to kas because he doesn't like Kas

He doesn't care what butthurt TL posters say about it either, they are inconsequential.


LOL probably doesn't care what random internet fanboys post either using your logic
Chill Winston......
Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
November 24 2011 23:20 GMT
#4722
On November 25 2011 08:08 enemy2010 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:05 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Idra 2-0d by Kas, wow.

And again Idra doesn't even give a GG, IMO there should be a penalty for not GGing.

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:05 Poopi wrote:
Lol seriously IdrA?
Start GGing and maybe you'll have better results.
gg Kas, glad to see him playing good in lan


Do you guys actually read your stuff before you post it?

o.O


I dont understand what was wrong with their posts? They are both expressing their disdain with Idras lack of respect for other players. Additionally, they are implying that perhaps if Idra took more responsibility for his losses, his game would benefit.
Every sunday a nun lays from my gunplay
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
November 24 2011 23:20 GMT
#4723
On November 25 2011 08:16 Killcani wrote:
why is it such a big difference to win something online or on lan?


Money. And with a shitload of money comes pressure. How to react in a pressure situation is a sign for viewers how good/bad a player is. "Omg he chokes/He's tilting!/He's is nervous!/ or the good way "omg he's so calm/He's a coldhearted player/His decision making is very strong"

Meh i know what you mean, but still, how to handle pressure is still a quality that comes out best at big LAN's.

Ow and the outlet of pressure at a biglan (first 20sec)

월요 날 재미있
koning
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium29 Posts
November 24 2011 23:21 GMT
#4724
I'd be very dissapointed if there wouldn't be some kind of tiebreaker in Grubby's group.
I believe I've seen it somewhere else where they just played bo1s in case of a tie, would be the perfect solution imo.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
November 24 2011 23:21 GMT
#4725
On November 25 2011 08:11 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:10 tnud wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:09 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:08 HappyChris wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:07 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:06 Agathon wrote:
Rage quit to Kas, the best terran in Europe, shame on you Greg.

Thorzain is the only EU terran who can actually win something


Nahh Kas allways been the best he just got a problem with nerves sometimes and it seems he has figured it out

Haha right, we've heard that story repeatedly and he still never wins anything.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Empire.Kas
He got 5 pages bro

Yes but those might as well be ladder

We get it you don't like him or you are Idra fanboy, Kas won enough of things that do matter for any reasonable person.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13007 Posts
November 24 2011 23:21 GMT
#4726
On November 25 2011 08:19 imr.e wrote:
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On November 25 2011 08:14 Poopi wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:13 imr.e wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:08 Rammstorm wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:03 imr.e wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:02 JuuMeijin wrote:
I just imagined that macro with mkp control, nearly shat my pants.


that'd be just the ultimate terran player (and would required some insane apm)


Thta would be MVP, Bomber or MMA? Clearly DH needs more koreans :D


none of them have both, only Mvp has the macro but his control could be better, Bomber micro isn't exceptionnal, and I feel like MMA is just a different kind of terran.

Bomber micro isn't exceptionnal?
Lol.
Go watch him vs Annyeong, GSTL playoff vs Prime...
Not sure if trolling since Mvp's control is almost unmatched


We're speaking about what'd be if someone had MKP (when he isn't tilting :D) micro and Kas macro.Bomber/Mvp have a better macro but there is still some room for more micro and a better control. The only one you could consider near this description is Mvp. Bomber is a macro beast, but his micro is far from being at the same level.

The Kas who is supply block at 46/46?
Kas didn't macro particularily well lol. MKP's macro is far better otherwise he would not have his TvZ results
WriterMaru
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 24 2011 23:21 GMT
#4727
On November 25 2011 08:20 Mouzone wrote:
They can still do preliminary group selections where they just say "Winner of group O goes in this group" etc.
No they can't. It would be against the principle, which is that you can't "choose" your group by losing.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
November 24 2011 23:21 GMT
#4728
On November 25 2011 08:20 Ace.Xile wrote:
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On November 25 2011 08:16 trucane wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:12 Fragile51 wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:11 Ace.Xile wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:09 SpiffD wrote:
Idra got 2-0'd by the guy he called terrible just a month ago.



Because a month ago the ONLY reason kas won was because idra didn't scout that he was going some weird ass wonky mass hellion no blue fame build, where he built like 12+ hellions and ran in.


Idra didn't scout what was Kas was doing and that justifies him calling Kas terrible? Really?


Yep Idra fanboys at their finest.


I'm not an idra fanboy just smart enough to realize that the build kas was doing was horrible, and the only reason it worked was because he idra didn't think there was any way he would use some bad build. The build is one of the few builds thats so hard countered it's not even funny. Sweet he made 14 hellions, i'll make 7 roaches and win. It wasn't creative, it wasn't a good build, it was just straight up that idra didn't expect it because it's such a horrible build. If you want to call the fact that kas chose a build and essentially got lucky being good then sure go ahead, but come on really?


Sounds like what happened between Naniwa and Leenock, except Naniwa's build was safer, tighter, and yet Leenock still figured out what was wrong with it and capitalized.

If IdrA can't do the same... He can't consistently win.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
November 24 2011 23:22 GMT
#4729
On November 25 2011 08:21 koning wrote:
I'd be very dissapointed if there wouldn't be some kind of tiebreaker in Grubby's group.
I believe I've seen it somewhere else where they just played bo1s in case of a tie, would be the perfect solution imo.


why would they play a tiebreaker when its obvious that grubby has lost 1 more game than the other 2 players?
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 23:23:29
November 24 2011 23:22 GMT
#4730
On November 25 2011 08:16 Killcani wrote:
why is it such a big difference to win something online or on lan?

nvm i read your question wrong
Stork[gm]
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
November 24 2011 23:22 GMT
#4731
On November 25 2011 08:13 Ace.Xile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:10 tnud wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:09 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:08 HappyChris wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:07 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:06 Agathon wrote:
Rage quit to Kas, the best terran in Europe, shame on you Greg.

Thorzain is the only EU terran who can actually win something


Nahh Kas allways been the best he just got a problem with nerves sometimes and it seems he has figured it out

Haha right, we've heard that story repeatedly and he still never wins anything.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Empire.Kas
He got 5 pages bro


Kas hasn't won anything of any significance with good players. Why do people bother saying well x is so good but he just has nerves. it doesn't matter how good you think someoen is when they can't win anything worthwhile.


Well the same could be sayd by Idra his only tournament win was IEM china without any Code S or Code A players isnt really top notch is it?
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
November 24 2011 23:22 GMT
#4732
Feeling sorry for Grubby, if he hadn't lost one game to Devil there would have been tiebreaker games.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
November 24 2011 23:22 GMT
#4733
On November 25 2011 08:21 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:20 Mouzone wrote:
They can still do preliminary group selections where they just say "Winner of group O goes in this group" etc.
No they can't. It would be against the principle, which is that you can't "choose" your group by losing.


so you dont tell the 2 players the groups until they've finished their matches??... oh shi--
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1256 Posts
November 24 2011 23:23 GMT
#4734
On November 25 2011 08:16 decerto wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DreamHack_Winter_2011

Perfect racial balance going into the second group stage so far 10/10/10 for p/z/t and last group tied 1/1/1/1, funny. Cant wait for tomorows groups, everyone at this stage has a chance to win any group gonna be so awesome.

55.5% of all Protoss advance
47.6% of all Terrans advance
40.0% of all Zerg advance

However, the amount of non top-tier Zerg was a bit higher, so pretty fine stats overall.
Mutation complete.
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
November 24 2011 23:23 GMT
#4735
On November 25 2011 08:20 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:16 gold_ wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:15 Thurken wrote:
If Grubby is eliminated because of having a worse ratio than deathangel this is a bit silly.
Sen will not put enough effort in a game when he is already sure to advance...

Exactly, this will be BS if Grubby doesn't advance.


how is it silly that the person that wins more games goes through?


Already posted this but DeathAngel played Sen when Sen was already guaranteed top2 spot and there's no seeds here so Sen doesn't care if he loses that match or not. The game wasn't broadcasted so i didn't see what happened but the system is definitely flawed like this. Getting free wins from players who don't care is not fair... don't you think?
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
November 24 2011 23:23 GMT
#4736
On November 25 2011 08:19 Hatorade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:16 gold_ wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:15 Thurken wrote:
If Grubby is eliminated because of having a worse ratio than deathangel this is a bit silly.
Sen will not put enough effort in a game when he is already sure to advance...

Exactly, this will be BS if Grubby doesn't advance.


I agree, I'm not sure what rules Dreamhack has for 3 way ties but I don't think map score is the best way to solve it. However rules are rules so if that's what they have in place then that's how it has to be, maybe it'll be looked at in the future.


If Grubby would have won 2-0 it would have been a 3-way tie between them all so Sen wasn't sure to advance, also, making every map count is the way (afaik) every tour break ties in group play.
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
juked
Profile Joined May 2010
United States691 Posts
November 24 2011 23:23 GMT
#4737
Idra losing is his own fault. Yes i like idra but i would have to say that he sometimes underestimates his opponent and loses in the stupidest ways.
FireS
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania415 Posts
November 24 2011 23:23 GMT
#4738
group N just got undecided on liquipedia .. whats going on ?
back!!
Traven
Profile Joined March 2011
United States160 Posts
November 24 2011 23:23 GMT
#4739
GosuGamers just tweeted that Grubby made it through over DeathAngel. Unless i read it wrong.
MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
November 24 2011 23:23 GMT
#4740
So will there be group drawings in 5 minutes?
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
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