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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word. TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players. - p4NDemik | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
If i 'accuse' someone of throwing a game (like TheWind vs SuperNova the season where MC was in their group) this = me accusing them of match fixing? If so, then wow, just wow. Because to me match fixing is a serious thing which hurts the integrity of ESPORTS and all that shit. But letting someone else win because they're your friend and you love them dearly doesn't even come close to that in my books. To me that's call human nature. Being a friend. Being nice. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On October 23 2011 11:31 Goibon wrote: Wait a minute here. If i 'accuse' someone of throwing a game (like TheWind vs SuperNova the season where MC was in their group) this = me accusing them of match fixing? If so, then wow, just wow. Because to me match fixing is a serious thing which hurts the integrity of ESPORTS and all that shit. But letting someone else win because they're your friend and you love them dearly doesn't even come close to that in my books. To me that's call human nature. Being a friend. Being nice. Nono. Thats not what is being discussed, it is more like the two players decided to split the end-prize pool in a manner that is not the same as what was being described. Maybe 50/50, probably not, whose to say. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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forumtext
575 Posts
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bqm
94 Posts
On October 23 2011 11:31 Goibon wrote: Wait a minute here. If i 'accuse' someone of throwing a game (like TheWind vs SuperNova the season where MC was in their group) this = me accusing them of match fixing? If so, then wow, just wow. Because to me match fixing is a serious thing which hurts the integrity of ESPORTS and all that shit. But letting someone else win because they're your friend and you love them dearly doesn't even come close to that in my books. To me that's call human nature. Being a friend. Being nice. That is why I hate people who ACCUSED MVP + Nestea do match fixing, unless you got clear evident, the game is not fixing at all, you have to take a lot into account, MVP is not behind much even when he was 2000 min/4000 gas vs nestea 13000 min/5k gas, they both maxed out. Said they give the game away is just straight up INSULTING them, and If they did not do it, then It is a serious crime to accuse them of fixing match. Please people think twice before making judgement. And It is not like NESTEA is a god and MVP is some unknown, MVP always win against nestea in practice game, when on equal max supply, split map, Do you think Zerg have higher chance of winning than terran??? what can he do there. | ||
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klops
United States674 Posts
On October 23 2011 11:34 forumtext wrote: I think Nestea just killed whatever is left of MVP's self-esteem after that last game...in front of the whole world and 4 BW pro! ? by...losing? does not compute. | ||
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duk3
United States807 Posts
Sure they both probably could have played better, but you could blame it on being tired from travel if you want. But it's happened before, there was a group in GSL May where oGsTheWind dropped both his games to oGsSuperNoVa and oGsMC and it looked like he wasn't trying to get them both some free wins in the group. Additionally, there was an event where TT1 got mad at Fenix for deciding to split a prizepool, and then going back on his word. These things happen, it's called being nice when it won't hurt you any. Mvp gets to win, and NesTea still gets some of the prize money along with the rest of IM (or is it QIM now?). | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On October 23 2011 11:20 Terranist wrote: coca and losira are pretty abysmal at zvt as well. losira has serious problems defending early pressure. Yeah, I have CoCa listed because I'm hoping his ZvT will get better now that he's on SlayerS, hahaha. Honestly, DRG, Curious, Leenock, and NesTea are the only ones who've shown any promise. DRG's getting figured out though. Curious looked very good, but I need to see more of his ZvT (which I still think is his weakest match-up). | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
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slicknav
1409 Posts
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Reapher
Peru131 Posts
Nestea fanboys need to stop making fkin drama. | ||
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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Bowzer
Canada214 Posts
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On October 23 2011 11:27 Terranist wrote: it's possible that in your scenario nestea and MVP would come out on top, but that isn't a real world tournament application. nestea has recently had some pretty bad flaws exposed by terran, especially with protecting his workers from hellions or playing late game situations. this wasn't a lock for him and it certainly wasn't him gifting the game to MVP as people are claiming. Of course this isn't a lock, but I don't think that is necessarily the same group of people who are claiming that he gifted MVP the game. For one thing, as being a huge MVP fan myself, even I'm not convinced that NesTea played anywhere close to what he usually displays in a TvZ - which isn't the best in the world, I know. No one is surprised at the result - everyone knows MVP has NesTea's number, and is most likely the better overall player, especially in TvZ. Some, however, are just surprised at the last game. Edit: I'm am NOT claiming match fixing or anything close to the sort. There are many factors to consider here. I'm just a little bewildered by NesTea's decisions in that game. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On October 23 2011 11:45 Reapher wrote: Come on, Nestea is human You mean Artosis has been lying to me this whole time??? | ||
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SharkWithLaz0rs
19 Posts
- He let a base full of drones get nuked not once but twice. Seeing someone as good as NesTea let this happen even once would be shocking. Seeing it happen twice makes me think he wasn't taking the whole situation seriously. - He completely botched that doom drop. He didn't micro his units at all during the initial part of the drop, and then made a totally nonsensical decision in charging his overlords full of banelings at a bunch of ghosts. Then he left a bunch of overlords to die in his base, even while he was supply blocked. NesTea, when he is locked in and playing like his usual self, just does not make micro errors like this. - As others have pointed out, he had a massive bank of minerals and just opted not to really use it. - The brood lord spam at the end was a silly choice of units to make given that MVP has massed ghosts and vikings. I just feel like the two of them were trying to give us a good show. It WAS highly entertaining, don't get me wrong. But it just didn't look like NesTea was really going for the throat in that game. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
When you split pot, you agree to split the winnings and you still play out without predetermining the winner. It's just that the prize money is split ( can be 50-50, can be 60-40 to the winners etc). They are still playing for the title and glory and maybe a little bit of money. Match fixing means you predetermine who the winner/loser will be. According to many pros( fayth, TT1-fenix incident) , split potting is really common so it can't be ruled out. But, to say that they were match-fixing is a serious baseless accusation of which I don't see the benefit for either players. But it did seem that Nestea made really grave mistakes that I wouldn't expect someone of his calibre ( or any Korean GSL zergs) to make. That's unfortunate. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
any platinum players would have won with that lead... i dont know what to say | ||
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Bowzer
Canada214 Posts
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