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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word. TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players. - p4NDemik | ||
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iSometric
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Bowzer
Canada214 Posts
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babylon
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On October 23 2011 12:08 Nick_54 wrote: Could someone please explain to me why there is a matchfixing accusation i dont have time to watch all of mvp vs nestea Because NesTea played horribly in the last game and made some questionable decisions. But if you've ever read any of NesTea's interviews, you'd know he wouldn't throw a match. Dude is prideful as all get-out. | ||
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Bowzer
Canada214 Posts
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Shaxe
Netherlands590 Posts
On October 23 2011 12:06 andrea20 wrote: I completely disagree, but taste is personal. :p Being asian myself, I like my fair share of asian pop music but they really have no place in live venues. | ||
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BarbieHsu
574 Posts
On October 23 2011 11:47 dtz wrote: Split potting is really not match fixing though.... When you split pot, you agree to split the winnings and you still play out without predetermining the winner. It's just that the prize money is split ( can be 50-50, can be 60-40 to the winners etc). They are still playing for the title and glory and maybe a little bit of money. Match fixing means you predetermine who the winner/loser will be. According to many pros( fayth, TT1-fenix incident) , split potting is really common so it can't be ruled out. But, to say that they were match-fixing is a serious baseless accusation of which I don't see the benefit for either players. But it did seem that Nestea made really grave mistakes that I wouldn't expect someone of his calibre ( or any Korean GSL zergs) to make. That's unfortunate. Do people think that Nestea let MVP win and then are splitting the money? I wouldn't rule it out, because maintaining friendly relations and team spirit is so important in Korea, it's a different culture, and sometime integrity of the game comes second. That said, I that some other evidence than match results, like a witness to a prearranged agreement is needed [I think there was even that incident were the guy logged the cheater's keystrokes and the tournament organizers could not accept it as adequate evidence even though cheating was sooooo obvious. my memory is probably not completely accurate]. Thus the cheating discussion is moot. That said, if I was ANY tournament organizer, I would think twice before inviting both of them to the same event again, simply because of the accusations now. EDIT: That is how accusations, whether grounded in fact or baseless, can hurt people. | ||
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Medrea
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On October 23 2011 12:06 gerard wrote: THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you really sign up on the forums to say this? | ||
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Bowzer
Canada214 Posts
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synkronized
United States125 Posts
On October 23 2011 11:54 gerard wrote: THIS WAS NOT A REAL MATCH, EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS IS TRUE. THIS WAS DONE BY BLIZZARD TO GROW ESPORTS PLAIN AND SIMPLE. NOW I AM SCARED THAT IDRA NEVER REALLY QUALIFIED FOR CODE A. SAD SAD TIMES. How does someone like this not get banned or at least warned? | ||
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Elean
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On October 23 2011 11:50 j4vz wrote: well guys think about it, he got supply blocked the whole game he had 14K minerals why not make more overlords ? more hatch ? any platinum players would have won with that lead... i dont know what to say 14K minerals isn't illimited. I'd like to see the replay, but I'm pretty sure that their armies was over 10k minerals, and with a lot of gas too. So even with 14k, you can fully remax only once. You can not afford to loose your whole army in a bad engagement. And Nestea, just didn't find any way to engage the fortified position of MVP, that's all. | ||
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Medrea
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On October 23 2011 12:18 synkronized wrote: Grats to MVP and I'm glad to see those 2 go against each other in the finals of a tournament. How does someone like this not get banned or at least warned? Just give it time. | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
On October 23 2011 12:18 synkronized wrote: Grats to MVP and I'm glad to see those 2 go against each other in the finals of a tournament. How does someone like this not get banned or at least warned? Mods are not omnipotent beings that can be everywhere at once, give it time and they'll get their ban/warn. | ||
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zex66
Canada651 Posts
On October 23 2011 12:18 Elean wrote: 14K minerals isn't illimited. I'd like to see the replay, but I'm pretty sure that their armies was over 10k minerals, and with a lot of gas too. So even with 14k, you can fully remax only once. You can not afford to loose your whole army in a bad engagement. And Nestea, just didn't find any way to engage the fortified position of MVP, that's all. You can switch to the RTS stream on the stream page on the official blizzcon website and just rewind the timer to rewatch the games. The last game starts at around 5:00 pm on the timer. | ||
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Quenchiest
Canada286 Posts
Match fixing is a whole different can of worms though. I'd be hard pressed to say Nestea intentionally threw away the games. If they did intend on splitting the pot then it's likely he wasn't playing as hard or as focused as he typically would be, but not to the level where he'd just throw away the game entirely on purpose. There's no way to know the exact truth to all of it. It's entirely possible Nestea just had some bad games. The thing to understand is that splitting the pot is not uncommon at all. | ||
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This is Aru
United States91 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:09 dan1mal wrote: and how the fuck are you going to deal with 20 full mana ghosts, siege tanks, and whole bunch of marines? You move command your 120ish Banelings in around his cloaked ghosts and press X. You'd probably take out the PF and a few tanks too. | ||
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JackRipper
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Bowzer
Canada214 Posts
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PikaXchU
Singapore379 Posts
YOU ARE WATCHING THE GAME FROM AN OBSERVER POINT OF VIEW. YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING. CAN THEY SEE EVERYTHING?! | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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Shaxe
Netherlands590 Posts
On October 23 2011 12:27 Bowzer wrote: Awesome concert, my god these guys are playing hard. Yeah, this concert alone is worth the virtual ticket imo. | ||
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