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On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately.
Unfortunately you're not part of the popular opinion but I agree with you.
I'm tired of seeing washed up talent like boxer and july, but maybe one day MLG will take riskier choices on more up and coming talent like they did with coca for instance.
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Mlg sheds the mystery of why Stephano is so good. Turns out he is a Korean.
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On October 15 2011 16:56 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 16:50 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. It really just shows the difference between the scenes. Korea really dominates the top 10 players in the world, but after that, a "random top 50 Korean" isn't any different than a "random top 50 foreigner". So, as the "good but not marque" players come over, it's notable how much more even things are. Bomber is the marque Korean at the tournament. He's a top 10 in the world and that's the issue. Except for him, there's around 10 players that could take this tournament. So the real question is simply: who can beat Bomber? If MLG doesn't get those top 10 Koreans all showing up, then the "Korean always wins" story line goes out the window. But the last 3 we've gotten at least 2 "top 10" Koreans. This time, there's only 1 and a question if MKP is on the swing back into the top Tier again. It's turning into more of a Top 2 competition in Korea. If MVP doesn't knock out Nestea, he takes it. The only person that's been close to knocking out MVP (should have if he didn't blunder the 4th game) is Nestea. Now it looks like MVP will take this season with ease, no one other than Nestea has even been competitive with him, including Bomber. Agreed. The funny thing is that because Nestea & MVP faced off early (again), I believe MC gets to go to Blizzcon, lol. (MVP would not go since he has the Finals to prepare for) Code S at GSL has been a 3-person question for a while. With Protoss getting rolled and MC not having a solid response to it, it's been down to Nestea vs MVP for a while. Though that's more to do with the fact that Code S has so many Terrans. If MVP had to deal with 4 Protosses every Code S, I think he wouldn't be as dominate. Still, if we had MMA, Ryung or DRG here, it'd be a bit different. That 2nd "top 10 Korean" changes the dynamic so much at MLG, hehe.
The GSL finals are at Blizzcon actually, so MVP gets to play in both. Wonder how Nestea will play in a new environment. MVP was worse against protoss a long time ago, he's done much much better lately and doesn't seem to have a problem with the match up lately. Nestea seems to have really improved in his TvZ as well, almost beating MVP and taking out MMA in his group stage matches.
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On October 15 2011 17:05 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 16:58 Oktyabr wrote:On October 15 2011 16:50 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. It really just shows the difference between the scenes. Korea really dominates the top 10 players in the world, but after that, a "random top 50 Korean" isn't any different than a "random top 50 foreigner". So, as the "good but not marque" players come over, it's notable how much more even things are. Bomber is the marque Korean at the tournament. He's a top 10 in the world and that's the issue. Except for him, there's around 10 players that could take this tournament. So the real question is simply: who can beat Bomber? If MLG doesn't get those top 10 Koreans all showing up, then the "Korean always wins" story line goes out the window. But the last 3 we've gotten at least 2 "top 10" Koreans. This time, there's only 1 and a question if MKP is on the swing back into the top Tier again. It's turning into more of a Top 2 competition in Korea. If MVP doesn't knock out Nestea, he takes it. The only person that's been close to knocking out MVP (should have if he didn't blunder the 4th game) is Nestea. Now it looks like MVP will take this season with ease, no one other than Nestea has even been competitive with him, including Bomber. He was referring to Orlando's current situation, where he deemed Bomber the only top 10 Korean participant. MVP/Nestea and their dominance in Korea has no relevance here... You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Did you not read the part about korea dominating the top 10 players in the world? Sounds like that provides some relevance or would you like me to explain it for you pseudo forum admin?
What does MVP/Nestea being the top 2 in Korea has anything to do with how large the skill difference is between the rest of the world and Korea?
He's saying that Korea > the world doesn't always hold true unless the top 10 Koreans are here. He believes Bomber to be the only top 10 Korean here.
EDIT: Going to cut the sarcasm because you're just pointing out the situation in Korea for kicks. It's still not relevant to the situation at Orlando.
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On October 15 2011 17:07 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. Unfortunately you're not part of the popular opinion but I agree with you. I'm tired of seeing washed up talent like boxer and july, but maybe one day MLG will take riskier choices on more up and coming talent like they did with coca for instance.
July is definitely better than Coca; he has more than one good matchup.
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On October 15 2011 17:08 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 16:56 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:50 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. It really just shows the difference between the scenes. Korea really dominates the top 10 players in the world, but after that, a "random top 50 Korean" isn't any different than a "random top 50 foreigner". So, as the "good but not marque" players come over, it's notable how much more even things are. Bomber is the marque Korean at the tournament. He's a top 10 in the world and that's the issue. Except for him, there's around 10 players that could take this tournament. So the real question is simply: who can beat Bomber? If MLG doesn't get those top 10 Koreans all showing up, then the "Korean always wins" story line goes out the window. But the last 3 we've gotten at least 2 "top 10" Koreans. This time, there's only 1 and a question if MKP is on the swing back into the top Tier again. It's turning into more of a Top 2 competition in Korea. If MVP doesn't knock out Nestea, he takes it. The only person that's been close to knocking out MVP (should have if he didn't blunder the 4th game) is Nestea. Now it looks like MVP will take this season with ease, no one other than Nestea has even been competitive with him, including Bomber. Agreed. The funny thing is that because Nestea & MVP faced off early (again), I believe MC gets to go to Blizzcon, lol. (MVP would not go since he has the Finals to prepare for) Code S at GSL has been a 3-person question for a while. With Protoss getting rolled and MC not having a solid response to it, it's been down to Nestea vs MVP for a while. Though that's more to do with the fact that Code S has so many Terrans. If MVP had to deal with 4 Protosses every Code S, I think he wouldn't be as dominate. Still, if we had MMA, Ryung or DRG here, it'd be a bit different. That 2nd "top 10 Korean" changes the dynamic so much at MLG, hehe. The GSL finals are at Blizzcon actually, so MVP gets to play in both. Wonder how Nestea will play in a new environment. MVP was worse against protoss a long time ago, he's done much much better lately and doesn't seem to have a problem with the match up lately. Nestea seems to have really improved in his TvZ as well, almost beating MVP and taking out MMA in his group stage matches.
I should have been more clear: MVP won't play the Blizzcon Tournament itself. Blizzcon probably has a 15k or so purse for the winner. There's 30k on the line between winning the GSL finals vs losing. He'll drop out of the Blizzcon tournament and focus on the GSL Finals. This would allow MC (3rd in points) to go to Blizzcon in his place.
At least, that's the most logical scenario.
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On October 15 2011 17:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 17:08 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:56 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:50 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. It really just shows the difference between the scenes. Korea really dominates the top 10 players in the world, but after that, a "random top 50 Korean" isn't any different than a "random top 50 foreigner". So, as the "good but not marque" players come over, it's notable how much more even things are. Bomber is the marque Korean at the tournament. He's a top 10 in the world and that's the issue. Except for him, there's around 10 players that could take this tournament. So the real question is simply: who can beat Bomber? If MLG doesn't get those top 10 Koreans all showing up, then the "Korean always wins" story line goes out the window. But the last 3 we've gotten at least 2 "top 10" Koreans. This time, there's only 1 and a question if MKP is on the swing back into the top Tier again. It's turning into more of a Top 2 competition in Korea. If MVP doesn't knock out Nestea, he takes it. The only person that's been close to knocking out MVP (should have if he didn't blunder the 4th game) is Nestea. Now it looks like MVP will take this season with ease, no one other than Nestea has even been competitive with him, including Bomber. Agreed. The funny thing is that because Nestea & MVP faced off early (again), I believe MC gets to go to Blizzcon, lol. (MVP would not go since he has the Finals to prepare for) Code S at GSL has been a 3-person question for a while. With Protoss getting rolled and MC not having a solid response to it, it's been down to Nestea vs MVP for a while. Though that's more to do with the fact that Code S has so many Terrans. If MVP had to deal with 4 Protosses every Code S, I think he wouldn't be as dominate. Still, if we had MMA, Ryung or DRG here, it'd be a bit different. That 2nd "top 10 Korean" changes the dynamic so much at MLG, hehe. The GSL finals are at Blizzcon actually, so MVP gets to play in both. Wonder how Nestea will play in a new environment. MVP was worse against protoss a long time ago, he's done much much better lately and doesn't seem to have a problem with the match up lately. Nestea seems to have really improved in his TvZ as well, almost beating MVP and taking out MMA in his group stage matches. I should have been more clear: MVP won't play the Blizzcon Tournament itself. Blizzcon probably has a 15k or so purse for the winner. There's 30k on the line between winning the GSL finals vs losing. He'll drop out of the Blizzcon tournament and focus on the GSL Finals. This would allow MC (3rd in points) to go to Blizzcon in his place. At least, that's the most logical scenario.
That's not logical at all. Even if MVP does focus completely on the GSL, as long as the chance that he wins Blizzcon is over 0, it makes sense for him to attend since its in the same place. This is assuming he gets to the finals in GSL anyway.
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On October 15 2011 17:07 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. Unfortunately you're not part of the popular opinion but I agree with you. I'm tired of seeing washed up talent like boxer and july, but maybe one day MLG will take riskier choices on more up and coming talent like they did with coca for instance.
- -;; It is an honor and a privilege to have Boxer and July...... they can keep getting invited to MLG and I wouldn't complain once
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On October 15 2011 17:12 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 17:05 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:58 Oktyabr wrote:On October 15 2011 16:50 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. It really just shows the difference between the scenes. Korea really dominates the top 10 players in the world, but after that, a "random top 50 Korean" isn't any different than a "random top 50 foreigner". So, as the "good but not marque" players come over, it's notable how much more even things are. Bomber is the marque Korean at the tournament. He's a top 10 in the world and that's the issue. Except for him, there's around 10 players that could take this tournament. So the real question is simply: who can beat Bomber? If MLG doesn't get those top 10 Koreans all showing up, then the "Korean always wins" story line goes out the window. But the last 3 we've gotten at least 2 "top 10" Koreans. This time, there's only 1 and a question if MKP is on the swing back into the top Tier again. It's turning into more of a Top 2 competition in Korea. If MVP doesn't knock out Nestea, he takes it. The only person that's been close to knocking out MVP (should have if he didn't blunder the 4th game) is Nestea. Now it looks like MVP will take this season with ease, no one other than Nestea has even been competitive with him, including Bomber. He was referring to Orlando's current situation, where he deemed Bomber the only top 10 Korean participant. MVP/Nestea and their dominance in Korea has no relevance here... You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Did you not read the part about korea dominating the top 10 players in the world? Sounds like that provides some relevance or would you like me to explain it for you pseudo forum admin? What does MVP/Nestea being the top 2 in Korea has anything to do with how large the skill difference is between the rest of the world and Korea? He's saying that Korea > the world doesn't always hold true unless the top 10 Koreans are here. He believes Bomber to be the only top 10 Korean here. Are you aware of Nestea/MVP playing in the open brackets under some other alias that I don't know of?
It has plenty to do with how large the skill difference is since Nestea/MVP seem to be the only ones actually standing ahead of the rest of the competition, including Bomber. That there really is only a top two list right now, since most Korean players aren't consistent in the GSL and it can be suggested that having a top 10 list is futile at the moment. Bomber could be the next player we consider to be lower tier in Korean competition, since none of them seem to be consistent except those two.
Get off your high horse, pseudo-admin. It's not your job to patrol the forums acting like you`re judge and jury on what is important to post about and what isn't. The person that made the post responded happily and doesn't seem to have the same problems as you do. It's a forum for discussion, if everyone was as narrow minded as you it'd get pretty boring.
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On October 15 2011 17:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 17:08 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:56 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:50 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. It really just shows the difference between the scenes. Korea really dominates the top 10 players in the world, but after that, a "random top 50 Korean" isn't any different than a "random top 50 foreigner". So, as the "good but not marque" players come over, it's notable how much more even things are. Bomber is the marque Korean at the tournament. He's a top 10 in the world and that's the issue. Except for him, there's around 10 players that could take this tournament. So the real question is simply: who can beat Bomber? If MLG doesn't get those top 10 Koreans all showing up, then the "Korean always wins" story line goes out the window. But the last 3 we've gotten at least 2 "top 10" Koreans. This time, there's only 1 and a question if MKP is on the swing back into the top Tier again. It's turning into more of a Top 2 competition in Korea. If MVP doesn't knock out Nestea, he takes it. The only person that's been close to knocking out MVP (should have if he didn't blunder the 4th game) is Nestea. Now it looks like MVP will take this season with ease, no one other than Nestea has even been competitive with him, including Bomber. Agreed. The funny thing is that because Nestea & MVP faced off early (again), I believe MC gets to go to Blizzcon, lol. (MVP would not go since he has the Finals to prepare for) Code S at GSL has been a 3-person question for a while. With Protoss getting rolled and MC not having a solid response to it, it's been down to Nestea vs MVP for a while. Though that's more to do with the fact that Code S has so many Terrans. If MVP had to deal with 4 Protosses every Code S, I think he wouldn't be as dominate. Still, if we had MMA, Ryung or DRG here, it'd be a bit different. That 2nd "top 10 Korean" changes the dynamic so much at MLG, hehe. The GSL finals are at Blizzcon actually, so MVP gets to play in both. Wonder how Nestea will play in a new environment. MVP was worse against protoss a long time ago, he's done much much better lately and doesn't seem to have a problem with the match up lately. Nestea seems to have really improved in his TvZ as well, almost beating MVP and taking out MMA in his group stage matches. I should have been more clear: MVP won't play the Blizzcon Tournament itself. Blizzcon probably has a 15k or so purse for the winner. There's 30k on the line between winning the GSL finals vs losing. He'll drop out of the Blizzcon tournament and focus on the GSL Finals. This would allow MC (3rd in points) to go to Blizzcon in his place. At least, that's the most logical scenario.
Ah, my bad. I don't know if he will, I think in his recent interviews he has discussed being in both and hasn't suggested stepping out of Blizzcon. He might though, who knows. Him and Nestea do seem to care about the GSL more than anything (understandably).
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On October 15 2011 16:50 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 16:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. It really just shows the difference between the scenes. Korea really dominates the top 10 players in the world, but after that, a "random top 50 Korean" isn't any different than a "random top 50 foreigner". So, as the "good but not marque" players come over, it's notable how much more even things are. Bomber is the marque Korean at the tournament. He's a top 10 in the world and that's the issue. Except for him, there's around 10 players that could take this tournament. So the real question is simply: who can beat Bomber? If MLG doesn't get those top 10 Koreans all showing up, then the "Korean always wins" story line goes out the window. But the last 3 we've gotten at least 2 "top 10" Koreans. This time, there's only 1 and a question if MKP is on the swing back into the top Tier again. It's turning into more of a Top 2 competition in Korea. If MVP doesn't knock out Nestea, he takes it. The only person that's been close to knocking out MVP (should have if he didn't blunder the 4th game) is Nestea. Now it looks like MVP will take this season with ease, no one other than Nestea has even been competitive with him, including Bomber.
thats not really true. nestea has died to terrans other than mvp and his latest loss to mvp with a huge advantage in the map pool was the only time he has ever been close to taking him down. mvp has the best tvt in the world by a significant margin, but he hasnt proven to be completely unbeatable. nestea hasnt done anything recently to put him above the other top terrans in terms of strength.
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On October 15 2011 17:25 j0ker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 16:50 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. It really just shows the difference between the scenes. Korea really dominates the top 10 players in the world, but after that, a "random top 50 Korean" isn't any different than a "random top 50 foreigner". So, as the "good but not marque" players come over, it's notable how much more even things are. Bomber is the marque Korean at the tournament. He's a top 10 in the world and that's the issue. Except for him, there's around 10 players that could take this tournament. So the real question is simply: who can beat Bomber? If MLG doesn't get those top 10 Koreans all showing up, then the "Korean always wins" story line goes out the window. But the last 3 we've gotten at least 2 "top 10" Koreans. This time, there's only 1 and a question if MKP is on the swing back into the top Tier again. It's turning into more of a Top 2 competition in Korea. If MVP doesn't knock out Nestea, he takes it. The only person that's been close to knocking out MVP (should have if he didn't blunder the 4th game) is Nestea. Now it looks like MVP will take this season with ease, no one other than Nestea has even been competitive with him, including Bomber. thats not really true. nestea has died to terrans other than mvp and his latest loss to mvp with a huge advantage in the map pool was the only time he has ever been close to taking him down. mvp has the best tvt in the world by a significant margin, but he hasnt proven to be completely unbeatable. nestea hasnt done anything recently to put him above the other top terrans in terms of strength.
Nestea this season beat MMA and Virus, being the only Zerg to reach the Top 8 by beating a Terran. There was no advantage in the map pool, the statistics show that almost all of those maps either favor Terran slightly or are 50/50. People consider an advantage on these maps anytime it's 50/50 for Zerg. That's why I said Nestea has improved in his TvZ this season, and he's easily the best ZvZ and ZvP player in the world. The only obvious advantageous map for Zerg would probably be Belshir beach, which was adjusted to have only one entrance to the natural expansion.
MVP hasn't lost a series in two GSL seasons now (including the most recent one), I don't know what you consider unbeatable, but it sounds like he is pretty unstoppable to me. He might lose a game or two at smaller tournaments, but on the big stage he hasn't lost in ages.
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So can someone share their experience from the MLG yesterday? How was it? Great? I watched IEM unti it was over but got waaaay to sleepy. Today i might watch MLG, depending on my shape! :D
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On October 15 2011 17:18 repEAT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 17:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 17:08 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:56 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:50 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. It really just shows the difference between the scenes. Korea really dominates the top 10 players in the world, but after that, a "random top 50 Korean" isn't any different than a "random top 50 foreigner". So, as the "good but not marque" players come over, it's notable how much more even things are. Bomber is the marque Korean at the tournament. He's a top 10 in the world and that's the issue. Except for him, there's around 10 players that could take this tournament. So the real question is simply: who can beat Bomber? If MLG doesn't get those top 10 Koreans all showing up, then the "Korean always wins" story line goes out the window. But the last 3 we've gotten at least 2 "top 10" Koreans. This time, there's only 1 and a question if MKP is on the swing back into the top Tier again. It's turning into more of a Top 2 competition in Korea. If MVP doesn't knock out Nestea, he takes it. The only person that's been close to knocking out MVP (should have if he didn't blunder the 4th game) is Nestea. Now it looks like MVP will take this season with ease, no one other than Nestea has even been competitive with him, including Bomber. Agreed. The funny thing is that because Nestea & MVP faced off early (again), I believe MC gets to go to Blizzcon, lol. (MVP would not go since he has the Finals to prepare for) Code S at GSL has been a 3-person question for a while. With Protoss getting rolled and MC not having a solid response to it, it's been down to Nestea vs MVP for a while. Though that's more to do with the fact that Code S has so many Terrans. If MVP had to deal with 4 Protosses every Code S, I think he wouldn't be as dominate. Still, if we had MMA, Ryung or DRG here, it'd be a bit different. That 2nd "top 10 Korean" changes the dynamic so much at MLG, hehe. The GSL finals are at Blizzcon actually, so MVP gets to play in both. Wonder how Nestea will play in a new environment. MVP was worse against protoss a long time ago, he's done much much better lately and doesn't seem to have a problem with the match up lately. Nestea seems to have really improved in his TvZ as well, almost beating MVP and taking out MMA in his group stage matches. I should have been more clear: MVP won't play the Blizzcon Tournament itself. Blizzcon probably has a 15k or so purse for the winner. There's 30k on the line between winning the GSL finals vs losing. He'll drop out of the Blizzcon tournament and focus on the GSL Finals. This would allow MC (3rd in points) to go to Blizzcon in his place. At least, that's the most logical scenario. That's not logical at all. Even if MVP does focus completely on the GSL, as long as the chance that he wins Blizzcon is over 0, it makes sense for him to attend since its in the same place. This is assuming he gets to the finals in GSL anyway.
Blizzcon & GSL Finals are being played at the same Venue. Both will be done at Blizzcon. So MVP would have to play for 2 days (Blizzcon Tournament) then play the GSL Finals at the end. He might do it, but he'd be wisest to drop the Blizzcon Tournament for the GSL Final prep/rest.
So, not a given yet, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear something about MC going to Blizzcon around Monday.
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On October 15 2011 17:07 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. Unfortunately you're not part of the popular opinion but I agree with you. I'm tired of seeing washed up talent like boxer and july, but maybe one day MLG will take riskier choices on more up and coming talent like they did with coca for instance.
July just fucking finished third in the last GSL, What more could you want? Jesus Christ...
The 2nd place finisher? Also in the USA, but at IEM. 1st place isn't here because he's competing for another GSL championship
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On October 15 2011 17:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 17:08 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:56 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:50 LeaD wrote:On October 15 2011 16:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On October 15 2011 16:16 DoomsVille wrote:
Meh... first few MLGs they invited the creme of the crop: MC (in his prime), LosirA, MMA, MVP etc.
Now they've brought a few Koreans lower on the totem pole (Boxer, July, HongUn).
While it is nice to see foreigners doing way better.. it certainly isn't all that surprising. I mean if the 4 invites were LosirA, MMA, MVP and Bomber... you better believe all of them would 5-0 their groups.
Not to take anything away from the foreigners... they are playing amazing. IdrA and Ret especially are playing better than I've ever seen them play lately. It really just shows the difference between the scenes. Korea really dominates the top 10 players in the world, but after that, a "random top 50 Korean" isn't any different than a "random top 50 foreigner". So, as the "good but not marque" players come over, it's notable how much more even things are. Bomber is the marque Korean at the tournament. He's a top 10 in the world and that's the issue. Except for him, there's around 10 players that could take this tournament. So the real question is simply: who can beat Bomber? If MLG doesn't get those top 10 Koreans all showing up, then the "Korean always wins" story line goes out the window. But the last 3 we've gotten at least 2 "top 10" Koreans. This time, there's only 1 and a question if MKP is on the swing back into the top Tier again. It's turning into more of a Top 2 competition in Korea. If MVP doesn't knock out Nestea, he takes it. The only person that's been close to knocking out MVP (should have if he didn't blunder the 4th game) is Nestea. Now it looks like MVP will take this season with ease, no one other than Nestea has even been competitive with him, including Bomber. Agreed. The funny thing is that because Nestea & MVP faced off early (again), I believe MC gets to go to Blizzcon, lol. (MVP would not go since he has the Finals to prepare for) Code S at GSL has been a 3-person question for a while. With Protoss getting rolled and MC not having a solid response to it, it's been down to Nestea vs MVP for a while. Though that's more to do with the fact that Code S has so many Terrans. If MVP had to deal with 4 Protosses every Code S, I think he wouldn't be as dominate. Still, if we had MMA, Ryung or DRG here, it'd be a bit different. That 2nd "top 10 Korean" changes the dynamic so much at MLG, hehe. The GSL finals are at Blizzcon actually, so MVP gets to play in both. Wonder how Nestea will play in a new environment. MVP was worse against protoss a long time ago, he's done much much better lately and doesn't seem to have a problem with the match up lately. Nestea seems to have really improved in his TvZ as well, almost beating MVP and taking out MMA in his group stage matches. I should have been more clear: MVP won't play the Blizzcon Tournament itself. Blizzcon probably has a 15k or so purse for the winner. There's 30k on the line between winning the GSL finals vs losing. He'll drop out of the Blizzcon tournament and focus on the GSL Finals. This would allow MC (3rd in points) to go to Blizzcon in his place. At least, that's the most logical scenario.
That might be the most illogical thing I've ever read, actually. GSL finals are against + Show Spoiler + - there's not a whole lot to prepare for there. It's TvT and MVP has the best TvT there is.
MVP isn't going to get tired or worn out or anything like that. Like Idra recently said, fans put too much weight into the idea of stamina and fatigue. If MVP were going to drop out, he never would have accepted the Blizzcon invite anyway. At any rate, he would have dropped out already so preparations could be made for another invite. In other words, there's actually no chance that MVP will drop out of either tournament.
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Why is it that Incontrol keeps getting into the pools despite the horrible performance? I'm sure he knows he doesn't belong there.
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On October 15 2011 17:58 rEiGN~ wrote:
Why is it that Incontrol keeps getting into the pools despite the horrible performance? I'm sure he knows he doesn't belong there.
popular community figure, very funded/sponsored team to back him up to name only a few
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