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On October 15 2011 05:27 Fyzar wrote:
Stream very choppy for anyone else?
It's fine here, LQ though.
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Bolded the wrong part in your whole text. It's not about what you think...
Again, once a decisions was made, they are official even if the decision is/was wrong in retrospect. You stick to it. Every bloody professional organisation does it that way. Otherwise hell would break loose and teams would sue tournament organisations all over the place.
I am sure you are not a part of such a professional organisation... this is your opinion...which is wrong! :p
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On October 15 2011 05:27 Fyzar wrote:
Stream very choppy for anyone else?
Not for me but I'm watching it at 360p cuz my college internet is going slow right now
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On October 15 2011 05:11 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules. Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right? what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played. Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age. TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG. Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke. They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate. If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed? TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question. Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm: Those games also take much longer and the matches are planned long beforehand.
Have this ever happened in real sport ?
I would love to see the decision AND the reactions to that.
I still think that TT1 was screwed up but on the other hand DRG & TOP were being screwed up, they were first on their group and that's all it matters.
I still don't see how continuing with the tournament would be "better overall"
Awesome job on handling things, IEM. Giving TT1 semifinal prize money guaranteed and regaming is absolutely the right move.
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On October 15 2011 05:26 ssg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 05:24 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 05:15 Corrosive wrote:On October 15 2011 05:13 ETisME wrote:On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:
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Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules. Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right? what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played. Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age. TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG. Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke. They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate. If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed? TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question. Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm: that's how I feel about it too... if this ever happened in real sports, the tournament definitly will get sued all over What the fuck? No it wouldn't. If a legitimate mistake happened that screwed up the seeding of a major tournament i'm 100% sure the tournament organizers would follow their own rules (whatever they may be). If the rules stated that they would have to replay games in a mistake like this, then they would replay games and no one would get sued. sometimes my head hurts when i read shit like this. Bolded the wrong part in your whole text. It's not about what you think... Again, once a decisions was made, they are official even if the decision is/was wrong in retrospect. You stick to it. Every bloody professional organisation does it that way. Otherwise hell would break loose and teams would sue tournament organisations all over the place. This isn't true. I know for a fact that MLB has overturned/replayed games due to wrong calls by their officials. This even after the games were over.
Man I bet that pitcher not long ago who got absolutely screwed over because of a blown call by the first base official that ruined his perfect game wishes you were right right now.
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Wolf's shirt would say:
Timing attack
Player-X is completely dead
That's probably going to be gg
More timing attack
I'm just kidding, Wolf. <3
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On October 15 2011 05:28 Drakan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 05:11 Chocolate wrote:On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules. Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right? what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played. Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age. TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG. Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke. They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate. If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed? TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question. Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm: Those games also take much longer and the matches are planned long beforehand. Have this ever happened in real sport ? I would love to see the decision AND the reactions to that. I still think that TT1 was screwed up but on the other hand DRG & TOP were being screwed up, they were first on their group and that's all it matters. I still don't see how continuing with the tournament would be "better overall"
The reason I think it was actually fine is that many tournaments use the head to head matchup to decide ties in seeding, so it would be fair to say that DRG was second (if the tournament was that way). Obviously I'm happy for gatored, but I still think it was a weird decision.
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On October 15 2011 05:29 Elurie wrote:
Wolf's shirt would say:
Timing attack
Player-X is completely dead
That's probably going to be gg
More timing attack
I'm just kidding, Wolf. <3
You missed off "I use this build all the time" =p
(<3 wolf)
FD looks better than expected after that terrible Elfi series? :O
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On October 15 2011 05:29 DeaTH.1914 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 05:26 ssg wrote:On October 15 2011 05:24 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 05:15 Corrosive wrote:On October 15 2011 05:13 ETisME wrote:On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
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Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right? what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played. Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age. TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG. Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke. They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate. If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed? TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question. Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm: that's how I feel about it too... if this ever happened in real sports, the tournament definitly will get sued all over What the fuck? No it wouldn't. If a legitimate mistake happened that screwed up the seeding of a major tournament i'm 100% sure the tournament organizers would follow their own rules (whatever they may be). If the rules stated that they would have to replay games in a mistake like this, then they would replay games and no one would get sued. sometimes my head hurts when i read shit like this. Bolded the wrong part in your whole text. It's not about what you think... Again, once a decisions was made, they are official even if the decision is/was wrong in retrospect. You stick to it. Every bloody professional organisation does it that way. Otherwise hell would break loose and teams would sue tournament organisations all over the place. This isn't true. I know for a fact that MLB has overturned/replayed games due to wrong calls by their officials. This even after the games were over. Man I bet that pitcher not long ago who got absolutely screwed over because of a blown call by the first base official that ruined his perfect game wishes you were right right now.
Here's three examples from MLB: http://www.realclearsports.com/articles/2010/05/20/baseball_protests_just_part_of_the_game_96964.html
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eh its soooo hard to watch this tournament the lack of chemistry and knowledge of the game behind the casters is aggravating. Does anyone else notice this or am i just being too critical? I feel like if you are going to cast you should have the knowledge of each race in the game equivalent to grand masters knowledge in order to cast big tournaments.
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Now Killer goes all in and wins.
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wth FruitDealer, don't be a LingDealer 
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On October 15 2011 05:24 mitthrawn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 05:15 Corrosive wrote:On October 15 2011 05:13 ETisME wrote:On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules. Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right? what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played. Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age. TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG. Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke. They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate. If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed? TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question. Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm: that's how I feel about it too... if this ever happened in real sports, the tournament definitly will get sued all over What the fuck? No it wouldn't. If a legitimate mistake happened that screwed up the seeding of a major tournament i'm 100% sure the tournament organizers would follow their own rules (whatever they may be). If the rules stated that they would have to replay games in a mistake like this, then they would replay games and no one would get sued. sometimes my head hurts when i read shit like this. Bolded the wrong part in your whole text. It's not about what you think... Again, once a decisions was made, they are official even if the decision is/was wrong in retrospect. You stick to it. Every bloody professional organisation does it that way. Otherwise hell would break loose and teams would sue tournament organisations all over the place.
Administrators or referees can be bribed to fix matches or in this case seeding, and when it is discovered that rules were not followed, the culprit then lies and says it was a mistake. This is why I think rules should be followed in any case.
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On October 15 2011 05:31 LaGTTBloodThirsty wrote:
eh its soooo hard to watch this tournament the lack of chemistry and knowledge of the game behind the casters is aggravating. Does anyone else notice this or am i just being too critical? I feel like if you are going to cast you should have the knowledge of each race in the game equivalent to grand masters knowledge in order to cast big tournaments.
lol, Rotterdam is more knowledgable than almost any other caster, and plays the game at a higher level than virtually anyone else casting regularly.
Bitter for his part is a very competent high masters Zerg...
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Killer forced into an all in, don't like his chances in this
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Just kill the base FD - -
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On October 15 2011 05:29 Elurie wrote:
Wolf's shirt would say:
Timing attack
Player-X is completely dead
That's probably going to be gg
More timing attack
I'm just kidding, Wolf. <3
Yep, thats true.
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Killer really needed Storm and/or Archons...
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When in doubt, base trade the better player out.
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EPT
