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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 14 2011 20:27 GMT
#1981
On October 15 2011 05:27 Fyzar wrote:
Stream very choppy for anyone else?


It's fine here, LQ though.
Shodanss
Profile Joined November 2010
Greece245 Posts
October 14 2011 20:28 GMT
#1982
Bolded the wrong part in your whole text. It's not about what you think...

Again, once a decisions was made, they are official even if the decision is/was wrong in retrospect. You stick to it. Every bloody professional organisation does it that way. Otherwise hell would break loose and teams would sue tournament organisations all over the place.


I am sure you are not a part of such a professional organisation... this is your opinion...which is wrong! :p
Google important phrases....ctrl+c,ctrl+v!!!
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 14 2011 20:28 GMT
#1983
On October 15 2011 05:27 Fyzar wrote:
Stream very choppy for anyone else?


Not for me but I'm watching it at 360p cuz my college internet is going slow right now
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
DrakanSilva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Chile932 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 20:29:38
October 14 2011 20:28 GMT
#1984
On October 15 2011 05:11 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?

They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played

Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules.


Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game

now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right?

what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played.

Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age.


TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG.
Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke.

They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate.

If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed?
TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question.

Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm:

Those games also take much longer and the matches are planned long beforehand.

Have this ever happened in real sport ?
I would love to see the decision AND the reactions to that.
I still think that TT1 was screwed up but on the other hand DRG & TOP were being screwed up, they were first on their group and that's all it matters.

I still don't see how continuing with the tournament would be "better overall"


Awesome job on handling things, IEM. Giving TT1 semifinal prize money guaranteed and regaming is absolutely the right move.

In the beginning there was nothing... and then exploded
DeaTH.1914
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada79 Posts
October 14 2011 20:29 GMT
#1985
On October 15 2011 05:26 ssg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:24 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:15 Corrosive wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:13 ETisME wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:
[quote]
Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules.


Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game

now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right?

what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played.

Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age.


TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG.
Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke.

They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate.

If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed?
TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question.

Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm:

that's how I feel about it too...
if this ever happened in real sports, the tournament definitly will get sued all over

What the fuck? No it wouldn't. If a legitimate mistake happened that screwed up the seeding of a major tournament i'm 100% sure the tournament organizers would follow their own rules (whatever they may be). If the rules stated that they would have to replay games in a mistake like this, then they would replay games and no one would get sued. sometimes my head hurts when i read shit like this.

Bolded the wrong part in your whole text. It's not about what you think...

Again, once a decisions was made, they are official even if the decision is/was wrong in retrospect. You stick to it. Every bloody professional organisation does it that way. Otherwise hell would break loose and teams would sue tournament organisations all over the place.

This isn't true. I know for a fact that MLB has overturned/replayed games due to wrong calls by their officials. This even after the games were over.


Man I bet that pitcher not long ago who got absolutely screwed over because of a blown call by the first base official that ruined his perfect game wishes you were right right now.
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
October 14 2011 20:29 GMT
#1986
ooooh, shield upgrade!
aka ilovesharkpeople
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
October 14 2011 20:29 GMT
#1987
Wolf's shirt would say:

Timing attack
Player-X is completely dead
That's probably going to be gg
More timing attack


I'm just kidding, Wolf. <3

Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
October 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1988
On October 15 2011 05:28 Drakan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:11 Chocolate wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?

They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played

Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules.


Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game

now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right?

what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played.

Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age.


TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG.
Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke.

They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate.

If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed?
TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question.

Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm:

Those games also take much longer and the matches are planned long beforehand.

Have this ever happened in real sport ?
I would love to see the decision AND the reactions to that.
I still think that TT1 was screwed up but on the other hand DRG & TOP were being screwed up, they were first on their group and that's all it matters.

I still don't see how continuing with the tournament would be "better overall"

The reason I think it was actually fine is that many tournaments use the head to head matchup to decide ties in seeding, so it would be fair to say that DRG was second (if the tournament was that way). Obviously I'm happy for gatored, but I still think it was a weird decision.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 20:31:16
October 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1989
On October 15 2011 05:29 Elurie wrote:
Wolf's shirt would say:

Timing attack
Player-X is completely dead
That's probably going to be gg
More timing attack


I'm just kidding, Wolf. <3



You missed off "I use this build all the time" =p
(<3 wolf)

FD looks better than expected after that terrible Elfi series? :O
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1770 Posts
October 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#1990
On October 15 2011 05:29 DeaTH.1914 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:26 ssg wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:24 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:15 Corrosive wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:13 ETisME wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
[quote]

Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game

now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right?

what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played.

Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age.


TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG.
Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke.

They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate.

If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed?
TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question.

Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm:

that's how I feel about it too...
if this ever happened in real sports, the tournament definitly will get sued all over

What the fuck? No it wouldn't. If a legitimate mistake happened that screwed up the seeding of a major tournament i'm 100% sure the tournament organizers would follow their own rules (whatever they may be). If the rules stated that they would have to replay games in a mistake like this, then they would replay games and no one would get sued. sometimes my head hurts when i read shit like this.

Bolded the wrong part in your whole text. It's not about what you think...

Again, once a decisions was made, they are official even if the decision is/was wrong in retrospect. You stick to it. Every bloody professional organisation does it that way. Otherwise hell would break loose and teams would sue tournament organisations all over the place.

This isn't true. I know for a fact that MLB has overturned/replayed games due to wrong calls by their officials. This even after the games were over.


Man I bet that pitcher not long ago who got absolutely screwed over because of a blown call by the first base official that ruined his perfect game wishes you were right right now.

Here's three examples from MLB: http://www.realclearsports.com/articles/2010/05/20/baseball_protests_just_part_of_the_game_96964.html
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
October 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1991
Shield upgrades ?_?
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
October 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1992
eh its soooo hard to watch this tournament the lack of chemistry and knowledge of the game behind the casters is aggravating. Does anyone else notice this or am i just being too critical? I feel like if you are going to cast you should have the knowledge of each race in the game equivalent to grand masters knowledge in order to cast big tournaments.
JD, need I say more? :D
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
October 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1993
Now Killer goes all in and wins.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 14 2011 20:31 GMT
#1994
wth FruitDealer, don't be a LingDealer
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
October 14 2011 20:32 GMT
#1995
On October 15 2011 05:24 mitthrawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:15 Corrosive wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:13 ETisME wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:10 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:06 Kazang wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:
On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?

They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played

Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules.


Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game

now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right?

what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played.

Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age.


TT1 essentially got a free win because of an error, and Top who legitimately owned his group would have had to play DRG.
Top having to play DRG in the Ro8 would have been a joke.

They are correcting their error, if they don't all the results are void because they are not legitimate.

If you were Top or DRG who legitimately won their groups would you be happy that you got openly screwed?
TT1 is not getting screwed, he has to play who he has to play according to the rules and how he played in the group. He's just not getting a free advantage from an error. Disappointing for him but taking advantage of the error would be both unsporting and call any results from the tournament into question.

Transfer that into real sports like NFL, NBA or Champions League in Football. And tell me they would do the same thing IEM just did. :facepalm:

that's how I feel about it too...
if this ever happened in real sports, the tournament definitly will get sued all over

What the fuck? No it wouldn't. If a legitimate mistake happened that screwed up the seeding of a major tournament i'm 100% sure the tournament organizers would follow their own rules (whatever they may be). If the rules stated that they would have to replay games in a mistake like this, then they would replay games and no one would get sued. sometimes my head hurts when i read shit like this.

Bolded the wrong part in your whole text. It's not about what you think...

Again, once a decisions was made, they are official even if the decision is/was wrong in retrospect. You stick to it. Every bloody professional organisation does it that way. Otherwise hell would break loose and teams would sue tournament organisations all over the place.

Administrators or referees can be bribed to fix matches or in this case seeding, and when it is discovered that rules were not followed, the culprit then lies and says it was a mistake. This is why I think rules should be followed in any case.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 20:32:55
October 14 2011 20:32 GMT
#1996
On October 15 2011 05:31 LaGTTBloodThirsty wrote:
eh its soooo hard to watch this tournament the lack of chemistry and knowledge of the game behind the casters is aggravating. Does anyone else notice this or am i just being too critical? I feel like if you are going to cast you should have the knowledge of each race in the game equivalent to grand masters knowledge in order to cast big tournaments.


lol, Rotterdam is more knowledgable than almost any other caster, and plays the game at a higher level than virtually anyone else casting regularly.

Bitter for his part is a very competent high masters Zerg...

===

Killer forced into an all in, don't like his chances in this
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
October 14 2011 20:32 GMT
#1997
Just kill the base FD - -
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 14 2011 20:32 GMT
#1998
On October 15 2011 05:29 Elurie wrote:
Wolf's shirt would say:

Timing attack
Player-X is completely dead
That's probably going to be gg

More timing attack


I'm just kidding, Wolf. <3



Yep, thats true.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
October 14 2011 20:32 GMT
#1999
Killer really needed Storm and/or Archons...
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
October 14 2011 20:32 GMT
#2000
When in doubt, base trade the better player out.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
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