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hai2u
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
On October 12 2011 07:45 j0ker wrote: his record is 11-3 against nestea. he won 3-2 last night with a HORRIBLE map pool. tal'darim, metal, bel'shir and dual sight! I'm sure MVP does consider Nestea his rival as he is quite possibly the next best player, but MVP is clearly the #1 at this point and arguing otherwise reeks of pure fanboism. I will agree it is the reign of MVP...currently, but Nestea's time shall rise again. He came dangerously close to taking out MVP and if it was cross positions or even if that third base was scouted, it would have been a seriously different game. MVP played super risky as he knew he had to take risks to take nestea down. | ||
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j0ker
275 Posts
On October 12 2011 07:49 Sc2Null wrote: the minority simple "yells" louder so it seems there are more of them. I don't need a straight analysis of the game as I can follow it. I like tastosis for the enjoyment factor as well as their rambling stories. It adds context to the personality. If you want straight, boring analysis, go listen to moletrap. Moletrap is a pretty funny caster to recommend for someone who wants analysis as he is often quite wrong and has a pretty elementary understanding of the game. I'd say Wolf or Apollo are quite analytical, but neither are to a boring extent. | ||
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stevorino
957 Posts
On October 12 2011 07:41 bittman wrote: I think the minority is growing. I mean, even I who had no issues with HD and Painuser whilst people bitched and moaned have started to become a little annoyed listening to their anecdotes. I know it must be boring to cast the same thing in certain match ups, but not all of us catch every single game ever. Don't get me wrong, I like their jokes, stories, questions, etc. But I think they're starting to spend more time practicing stand up than giving us both a play by play and analysis. Artosis feels like he only analyses builds he likes, whilst the play by play needs to happen in more than just battles. i am part of the 'minority' i really don't care about their opinions and jokes on various topics... | ||
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hai2u
688 Posts
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j0ker
275 Posts
On October 12 2011 07:52 Sc2Null wrote: I will agree it is the reign of MVP...currently, but Nestea's time shall rise again. He came dangerously close to taking out MVP and if it was cross positions or even if that third base was scouted, it would have been a seriously different game. MVP played super risky as he knew he had to take risks to take nestea down. Reactor helion into fast 3rd isnt super risky, its one of the most popular builds in tvz right now and was seen in the majority of the games in that ro16 day that had like 3 tvzs. Nestea could have shut down mining there, but he couldnt have outright killed MVP. Regardless, the fact that Nestea couldn't take MVP down with the best map pool he will ever get while MVP was clearly having wrist issues tells you everything you need to know about the current level of the two. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On October 12 2011 07:54 hai2u wrote: it's actually funny that MVP has taken out Nestea 3x in the GSL. Without MVP, who knows, Nestea might have 5 GSL titles and on his way to a possible 6. I think no one knows that better than Nestea. His series last night was definitely superior to his previous 0-2 in August. I just wish I could see these two in a best of 7. | ||
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Samiz
Canada165 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 12 2011 07:48 happyness wrote: Um, no it doesn't substantiate it, but how does that validate your point? The fact remains that a lot more Bibles are sold every year than anything Christopher Hitchens will ever write. Gom doesn't care if people like you find tastosis unprofessional. What they want is for as many people as possible to watch their tournament. And if they were to fire Tastosis a lot of people wouldn't buy tickets. It doesn't validate my point because it wasn't supposed to. I'm just saying that majority/minority has nothing to do with right/wrong or good/bad. If you think GOM doesn't care about professionalism then you are wrong. You're also wrong if you think people watch GOM because of Tastosis, no people watch GOM because the GSL offers the premium of starcraft 2 skill and competition. They could fire Tastetosis and not care because people would still tune in. Noone wants them fired, they just need to realize that they have strayed wayyy too far. Being able to fill time is of course a good thing for casters, they just need to learn to fill time with pertinent information. Maybe instead of going off on random tangents that most of the viewers can't follow, talk about other shit going on in SC2 or previous GSL matches. If you're interested in expanding E-Sports then you should be very concerned with professionalism. For an industry/sport that's hardly taken seriously by the MAJORITY of the world, you think striving for excellence would be a priority. But w/e if you want prospective viewers/ skeptics to see "the best casting duo" in SC2 talking about lollipops and obscure jokes instead of the game then w/e SC2 will always be a joke outside of this small community. | ||
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positron.
634 Posts
On October 12 2011 07:48 happyness wrote: Um, no it doesn't substantiate it, but how does that validate your point? The fact remains that a lot more Bibles are sold every year than anything Christopher Hitchens will ever write. Gom doesn't care if people like you find tastosis unprofessional. What they want is for as many people as possible to watch their tournament. And if they were to fire Tastosis a lot of people wouldn't buy tickets. What? I am pretty sure they would still buy tickets for the games themselves. If Tastosis is to cast code B I don't think people will buy tickets for that either. However, that is not to say they need to be fired. They only need to adjust. Stop spending 5 min talking about how Nestea can warp in ultra or MVP can warp in tanks. I would like to see more background on players as well. | ||
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
On October 12 2011 07:40 stangstang wrote: What? Tastosis is the best english casting duo out there. This is not really a comment. It's a blind and mindless statement deprived of interest and reasoning to support it. For all the reasons I mentioned earlier, Tastosis is not working well. They are two extremely popular and beloved figure in the e-Sports scene, but that alone doesn't make their whole case. Lack of posture and professionalism, though sometimes might give us viewers a couple of laughs, should not be accepted by the production. I myself think Artosis, when completely focused on the game, is a pretty amazing caster. He pretty much tells us what's going to happen in most games before they even happen and why. This is a quality that very, very few known casters possess. Take the first few casts with JP in the MLG Global Invitational. Those worked pretty well. I actually think the best casting duo out there at the moment (and I mean true casting duos that made a name for themselves) is TotalBiscuit and Apollo. I get TotalBiscuit lacks a bit on game knowledge and insight but to be honest he doesn't need to have it. That's exactly why Apollo is there. The chemistry these two have developed works wonders whenever they cast together because of their professional and correct posture towards every potential audience. TB brings the his emotional play-by-play while Apollo explains what is actually going on. This is how 95% of the broadcasts from any sports usually work out. This is not how Tastosis operates at all, for the reasons already noted. Anyway, the reasoning behind this criticism is, again, a most certainly desperate need for more professionalism from the casters so that E-Sports can actually make it out of Korea as a legit and culturally relevant activity worth having their up times on TV. The only way E-Sports can rise to that level is by attracting the attention of NON-Gaming fans/players. We need the dads and moms of this world to look at a couple of professional guys playing a video-game that they can recognize for their skills. We want the hardcore sports fans to think of E-Sports as a life-valuable skill like playing piano, chess, cards or whatever. And since the casters get almost 100% up time during those broadcasts, having a decent posture, imparciality, correction of speech and professionalism is the way to attract them. The expression "NesTea sucks the life out of aliens in asteroids in order to save the Earth" is not something I would like to ear if I was tuning to a cast for the first time, let alone earing the casters talk about ice cream, toothpaste and family pranks. | ||
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
another GSL Finals ruined D: | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
Tasteless' random mumblings must stop, there is a point where it crosses the casual approach line and becomes a clown show. Artosis' player bashing must also go. And for gods sake, please at least try to get more info about the players, it's embarrassing when OGN casters that started following the scene closely a couple months ago knows everything about the most unknown players (AnNyeong, Hannibal for instance) and all our most experience casters can say is "To be honest I don't know anything about this guy". There are much more things I want to criticize, but I think for now those are enough. I wish they took these as a constructive criticism, and not dismiss them like they like to say "angry nerd in the forums". | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On October 12 2011 08:29 kiy0 wrote: This is not really a comment. It's a blind and mindless statement deprived of interest and reasoning to support it. For all the reasons I mentioned earlier, Tastosis is not working well. They are two extremely popular and beloved figure in the e-Sports scene, but that alone doesn't make their whole case. Lack of posture and professionalism, though sometimes might give us viewers a couple of laughs, should not be accepted by the production. I myself think Artosis, when completely focused on the game, is a pretty amazing caster. He pretty much tells us what's going to happen in most games before they even happen and why. This is a quality that very, very few known casters possess. Take the first few casts with JP in the MLG Global Invitational. Those worked pretty well. I actually think the best casting duo out there at the moment (and I mean true casting duos that made a name for themselves) is TotalBiscuit and Apollo. I get TotalBiscuit lacks a bit on game knowledge and insight but to be honest he doesn't need to have it. That's exactly why Apollo is there. The chemistry these two have developed works wonders whenever they cast together because of their professional and correct posture towards every potential audience. TB brings the his emotional play-by-play while Apollo explains what is actually going on. This is how 95% of the broadcasts from any sports usually work out. This is not how Tastosis operates at all, for the reasons already noted. Anyway, the reasoning behind this criticism is, again, a most certainly desperate need for more professionalism from the casters so that E-Sports can actually make it out of Korea as a legit and culturally relevant activity worth having their up times on TV. The only way E-Sports can rise to that level is by attracting the attention of NON-Gaming fans/players. We need the dads and moms of this world to look at a couple of professional guys playing a video-game that they can recognize for their skills. We want the hardcore sports fans to think of E-Sports as a life-valuable skill like playing piano, chess, cards or whatever. And since the casters get almost 100% up time during those broadcasts, having a decent posture, imparciality, correction of speech and professionalism is the way to attract them. The expression "NesTea sucks the life out of aliens in asteroids in order to save the Earth" is not something I would like to ear if I was tuning to a cast for the first time, let alone earing the casters talk about ice cream, toothpaste and family pranks. I hear what you're saying except I find Artosis incredibly boring when he casts with JP. And that's the bottom line, the part of your "analysis" that you're completely skipping over. Tastetosis is a fun duo, they are fun YET they are incredibly knowledgable about the game and prove it when they do decide to share it. You can't make everyone happy, some nerds like to be 100% business when they're watching the games, and some nerds like to have some lighthearted commentary during the slow parts of SC games. Tastetosis delivers both. That's why they're the best. Artosis paired with anyone else just isn't as fun to listen to. Funny is money, stop trying to make it so serious that no one wants to watch it anymore. BTW. On this topic of funny. Can someone at Gom please get QXC back casting with Wolf. Those two were hilarious together. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On October 12 2011 07:56 j0ker wrote: Reactor helion into fast 3rd isnt super risky, its one of the most popular builds in tvz right now and was seen in the majority of the games in that ro16 day that had like 3 tvzs. Nestea could have shut down mining there, but he couldnt have outright killed MVP. Regardless, the fact that Nestea couldn't take MVP down with the best map pool he will ever get while MVP was clearly having wrist issues tells you everything you need to know about the current level of the two. Dunno why people bring up the map pool, it favored Nestea but not significantly. Hell, MVP even won the two maps that were supposed to be ridiculously zerg favored. I think the stats are about even or just barely higher for terran even, with the exception of bel'shir. It isn't like when Nestea had to go against him on xel'naga, old shakuras, blistering sands, and Jungle basin. He didn't even get the good positions on metal or tal'darim either. | ||
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andrea20
Canada441 Posts
As for researching stats and background preparation, even Moletrap is better in that regard. Tastosis just state that they know nothing about an upcoming player, while the other casters do some research. | ||
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
I should start learning Korean. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
On October 12 2011 08:21 SupLilSon wrote: It doesn't validate my point because it wasn't supposed to. I'm just saying that majority/minority has nothing to do with right/wrong or good/bad. If you think GOM doesn't care about professionalism then you are wrong. You're also wrong if you think people watch GOM because of Tastosis, no people watch GOM because the GSL offers the premium of starcraft 2 skill and competition. They could fire Tastetosis and not care because people would still tune in. Noone wants them fired, they just need to realize that they have strayed wayyy too far. Being able to fill time is of course a good thing for casters, they just need to learn to fill time with pertinent information. Maybe instead of going off on random tangents that most of the viewers can't follow, talk about other shit going on in SC2 or previous GSL matches. If you're interested in expanding E-Sports then you should be very concerned with professionalism. For an industry/sport that's hardly taken seriously by the MAJORITY of the world, you think striving for excellence would be a priority. But w/e if you want prospective viewers/ skeptics to see "the best casting duo" in SC2 talking about lollipops and obscure jokes instead of the game then w/e SC2 will always be a joke outside of this small community. Well said. I will choose a random match shown on OGN and transcribe what OGN casters are saying before the game, just so you guys know what this guy is talking about. Gimme a minute. | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On October 12 2011 08:29 kiy0 wrote: This is not really a comment. It's a blind and mindless statement deprived of interest and reasoning to support it. For all the reasons I mentioned earlier, Tastosis is not working well. They are two extremely popular and beloved figure in the e-Sports scene, but that alone doesn't make their whole case. Lack of posture and professionalism, though sometimes might give us viewers a couple of laughs, should not be accepted by the production. I myself think Artosis, when completely focused on the game, is a pretty amazing caster. He pretty much tells us what's going to happen in most games before they even happen and why. This is a quality that very, very few known casters possess. Take the first few casts with JP in the MLG Global Invitational. Those worked pretty well. I actually think the best casting duo out there at the moment (and I mean true casting duos that made a name for themselves) is TotalBiscuit and Apollo. I get TotalBiscuit lacks a bit on game knowledge and insight but to be honest he doesn't need to have it. That's exactly why Apollo is there. The chemistry these two have developed works wonders whenever they cast together because of their professional and correct posture towards every potential audience. TB brings the his emotional play-by-play while Apollo explains what is actually going on. This is how 95% of the broadcasts from any sports usually work out. This is not how Tastosis operates at all, for the reasons already noted. Anyway, the reasoning behind this criticism is, again, a most certainly desperate need for more professionalism from the casters so that E-Sports can actually make it out of Korea as a legit and culturally relevant activity worth having their up times on TV. The only way E-Sports can rise to that level is by attracting the attention of NON-Gaming fans/players. We need the dads and moms of this world to look at a couple of professional guys playing a video-game that they can recognize for their skills. We want the hardcore sports fans to think of E-Sports as a life-valuable skill like playing piano, chess, cards or whatever. And since the casters get almost 100% up time during those broadcasts, having a decent posture, imparciality, correction of speech and professionalism is the way to attract them. The expression "NesTea sucks the life out of aliens in asteroids in order to save the Earth" is not something I would like to ear if I was tuning to a cast for the first time, let alone earing the casters talk about ice cream, toothpaste and family pranks. No one was complaining about "Tastosis unprofessionalism ruining esports," they're complaining about them being so biased towards or against certain players that it seems unfair to fans of those players. It's awesome that they love some players enough to support them, but when they lose and it takes away from the winner of the match or gets in the way of analyzing why they won it gets to be a bit too much. I still think Tastosis is the best casting duo in the world, I love tuning in to hear them, but I really hate to listen to them any time that Nestea is playing because they just simply DONT GET OFF THE SUBJECT ALL NIGHT. | ||
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