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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 23 2011 18:23 GMT
#5501
On October 24 2011 02:54 PrimeTimey wrote:
Stephano is now the top earning foreigner after ESWC and IPL victories in the month of October! http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/245/ilyes-satouri


you can add approximately 7500 euros that he won in the beginning of july (with french qualification of eswc, medion trophee etc ..)
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 18:24:54
October 23 2011 18:24 GMT
#5502
-wrong thread-
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
October 23 2011 18:25 GMT
#5503
Just dropping that here : Stephano is too lazy for med school. It is a hoax that people like to talk about.
Maxquatre
Profile Joined April 2011
France493 Posts
October 23 2011 18:25 GMT
#5504
On October 24 2011 03:15 Eisenheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:59 Diavlo wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:40 Asshat wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:18 Xoronius wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:15 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:12 Nash wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:06 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:04 Bromazepam wrote:
Stephano has got to be the most hated foreigner ever.
Whatever he does people find ways to discredit his achievement. Now we reached the cheating accusation :D

Oh, how I wish he decided to go train in Korea for a few months and show that (whether?) he can actually kick ass just as much as top Koreans.



I think its jelousy mostly. Everyone say you need korean training to become the best but somehow Stephano is a freak and just destroys koreans and the best foreigner all the time. So its a slap in the face to many.

He clearly is very special


No it's just that he is gimmicky and ridiculously overhyped. People don't like that. I mean, people like you saying he destroys koreans and the best foreigners all the time? That's just a fanboyish lie. It hasn't happened, no matter how much you wish it.


Lol overhyped? He won IPL 3 and now ESWC world cup allmost 60k dollars in 2 weeks. Been a pro player for a month and he is overhyped?

Take an old great zerg like Idra he havent won 2 major online tournaments have he?

Overhyped lol gtfo


To be fair, Idra won an IEM, MLG and IPL. Not Premier tournaments but definitly major ones.


IPL1 and MLG DC had laughably weak competition, and IEM china wasn't exactly filled to the brim with code S players


IEM and ESWC are kinda in the same league. IdrA beat Puma,Revival,elfi and stephano beat MKP, Mana, cloud and axslav.

And IdrA placed higher than Stephano in the last MLG.

There is really no point in discussing who's the strongest based on results since we have so few at the moment.

If you look at gameplay, I would say Stephano's ZvP and possibly ZvZ are better than IdrA's and IdrA's ZvT is better.



ATM, Stephano is clearly better than IdrA.


Until we see 10 Bo5 of IdrA vs Stephano, I won't bother commenting that.
And i'm a Stephano fan.
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 18:27:45
October 23 2011 18:25 GMT
#5505
Why now you guys have to discredit IdrA just to defend Stephano?
You are just doing exactly what they are doing. The point of all this discussion is that you should NEVER consider a player inferior to another one only because in his tournament run he met a possibly easier opposition (ignoring the blantantly idiotic cheating arguments).

By the way, a few posts above this one, second video, MKP called Stephano "gosu". I suppose now MKP is a scrub and his opinion is worthless.

Edit: I'm out anyway. It's impossible to bang some sense in people's heads, no matter the size of the sledgehammer you use. This whole argument is now tiring me.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
Fearest
Profile Joined September 2011
854 Posts
October 23 2011 18:26 GMT
#5506
MKP is good but he plays too sloppy at times.

He needs to go back to preschool and learn the fundamentals to be a really solid player that can top MVP

On the other hand, Stephano is looking really good. Hope to see how he do vs MVP and NesTEA
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
October 23 2011 18:29 GMT
#5507
On October 24 2011 03:25 Maxquatre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 03:15 Eisenheim wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:59 Diavlo wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:40 Asshat wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:18 Xoronius wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:15 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:12 Nash wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:06 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:04 Bromazepam wrote:
Stephano has got to be the most hated foreigner ever.
Whatever he does people find ways to discredit his achievement. Now we reached the cheating accusation :D

Oh, how I wish he decided to go train in Korea for a few months and show that (whether?) he can actually kick ass just as much as top Koreans.



I think its jelousy mostly. Everyone say you need korean training to become the best but somehow Stephano is a freak and just destroys koreans and the best foreigner all the time. So its a slap in the face to many.

He clearly is very special


No it's just that he is gimmicky and ridiculously overhyped. People don't like that. I mean, people like you saying he destroys koreans and the best foreigners all the time? That's just a fanboyish lie. It hasn't happened, no matter how much you wish it.


Lol overhyped? He won IPL 3 and now ESWC world cup allmost 60k dollars in 2 weeks. Been a pro player for a month and he is overhyped?

Take an old great zerg like Idra he havent won 2 major online tournaments have he?

Overhyped lol gtfo


To be fair, Idra won an IEM, MLG and IPL. Not Premier tournaments but definitly major ones.


IPL1 and MLG DC had laughably weak competition, and IEM china wasn't exactly filled to the brim with code S players


IEM and ESWC are kinda in the same league. IdrA beat Puma,Revival,elfi and stephano beat MKP, Mana, cloud and axslav.

And IdrA placed higher than Stephano in the last MLG.

There is really no point in discussing who's the strongest based on results since we have so few at the moment.

If you look at gameplay, I would say Stephano's ZvP and possibly ZvZ are better than IdrA's and IdrA's ZvT is better.



ATM, Stephano is clearly better than IdrA.


Until we see 10 Bo5 of IdrA vs Stephano, I won't bother commenting that.
And i'm a Stephano fan.


Theres more to determine the better player than just one matchup.
I guess you never prove someone to be the better player. You can just believe (and argue).
In a discussion over the best player its seems unclear if "most accomplished", "most skilled" or something other is meant.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 18:38:12
October 23 2011 18:31 GMT
#5508
On October 24 2011 03:15 Eisenheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:59 Diavlo wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:40 Asshat wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:18 Xoronius wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:15 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:12 Nash wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:06 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:04 Bromazepam wrote:
Stephano has got to be the most hated foreigner ever.
Whatever he does people find ways to discredit his achievement. Now we reached the cheating accusation :D

Oh, how I wish he decided to go train in Korea for a few months and show that (whether?) he can actually kick ass just as much as top Koreans.



I think its jelousy mostly. Everyone say you need korean training to become the best but somehow Stephano is a freak and just destroys koreans and the best foreigner all the time. So its a slap in the face to many.

He clearly is very special


No it's just that he is gimmicky and ridiculously overhyped. People don't like that. I mean, people like you saying he destroys koreans and the best foreigners all the time? That's just a fanboyish lie. It hasn't happened, no matter how much you wish it.


Lol overhyped? He won IPL 3 and now ESWC world cup allmost 60k dollars in 2 weeks. Been a pro player for a month and he is overhyped?

Take an old great zerg like Idra he havent won 2 major online tournaments have he?

Overhyped lol gtfo


To be fair, Idra won an IEM, MLG and IPL. Not Premier tournaments but definitly major ones.


IPL1 and MLG DC had laughably weak competition, and IEM china wasn't exactly filled to the brim with code S players


IEM and ESWC are kinda in the same league. IdrA beat Puma,Revival,elfi and stephano beat MKP, Mana, cloud and axslav.

And IdrA placed higher than Stephano in the last MLG.

There is really no point in discussing who's the strongest based on results since we have so few at the moment.

If you look at gameplay, I would say Stephano's ZvP and possibly ZvZ are better than IdrA's and IdrA's ZvT is better.




Man, all your argumentations is invalid because of this.

We all know the MLG organistion sucks (Incontrol's Pool, Extended series, too many Bo3 if you lose 1 game in winner bracket)

ATM, Stephano is clearly better than IdrA.

And just for your information Stephano is now the 1st Foreigner in money according to http://www.sc2earnings.com


At MLG Stephano beat Vibe, Whitera, Drewbie, Kiwikaki, inka and chance and lost to TheSTC and Boxer.
IdrA beat Haypro, Drewbie, TLO, Boxer, Hong hun, Bomber and lost to MKP and MC.
I fail to see why you can say that IdrA didn't deserve to place higher than Stephano...

And like i said before, going by tournament results and earnings are not that significant when we have so few tournaments to make an opinion.

You can argue that Stephano's playstyle is better but that's basically it. And you will find people who will disagree with that statement...

And btw, disregarding an argumentation because you disagree with a specific point is utterly retarded.





"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
October 23 2011 18:33 GMT
#5509
I met MKP and MC at ESWC, I love them even more now.
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 18:34:02
October 23 2011 18:33 GMT
#5510
This whole IdrA vs Stephano argument is insulting to both players, regardless who you think is better.

Stephano deserves a lot of credit for his victory from us, he doesn't need fanboys claiming he's better than IdrA or other people. I can bet my ass they both don't give a shit about it.

WPWP Stephano!
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
October 23 2011 18:34 GMT
#5511
Are Stephano vs MKP VODs (or live stream archive) available? I missed that set. Thanks
Dandy_Moustachu
Profile Joined July 2010
France422 Posts
October 23 2011 18:34 GMT
#5512
On October 24 2011 03:29 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 03:25 Maxquatre wrote:
On October 24 2011 03:15 Eisenheim wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:59 Diavlo wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:40 Asshat wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:18 Xoronius wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:15 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:12 Nash wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:06 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:04 Bromazepam wrote:
Stephano has got to be the most hated foreigner ever.
Whatever he does people find ways to discredit his achievement. Now we reached the cheating accusation :D

Oh, how I wish he decided to go train in Korea for a few months and show that (whether?) he can actually kick ass just as much as top Koreans.



I think its jelousy mostly. Everyone say you need korean training to become the best but somehow Stephano is a freak and just destroys koreans and the best foreigner all the time. So its a slap in the face to many.

He clearly is very special


No it's just that he is gimmicky and ridiculously overhyped. People don't like that. I mean, people like you saying he destroys koreans and the best foreigners all the time? That's just a fanboyish lie. It hasn't happened, no matter how much you wish it.


Lol overhyped? He won IPL 3 and now ESWC world cup allmost 60k dollars in 2 weeks. Been a pro player for a month and he is overhyped?

Take an old great zerg like Idra he havent won 2 major online tournaments have he?

Overhyped lol gtfo


To be fair, Idra won an IEM, MLG and IPL. Not Premier tournaments but definitly major ones.


IPL1 and MLG DC had laughably weak competition, and IEM china wasn't exactly filled to the brim with code S players


IEM and ESWC are kinda in the same league. IdrA beat Puma,Revival,elfi and stephano beat MKP, Mana, cloud and axslav.

And IdrA placed higher than Stephano in the last MLG.

There is really no point in discussing who's the strongest based on results since we have so few at the moment.

If you look at gameplay, I would say Stephano's ZvP and possibly ZvZ are better than IdrA's and IdrA's ZvT is better.



ATM, Stephano is clearly better than IdrA.


Until we see 10 Bo5 of IdrA vs Stephano, I won't bother commenting that.
And i'm a Stephano fan.


Theres more to determine the better player than just one matchup.
I guess you never prove someone to be the better player. You can just believe (and argue).
In a discussion over the best player its seems unclear if "most accomplished", "most skilled" or something other is meant.


It's easy to decide who the best his, make htem both have 3bo5 against MVP then Nestea, then MC (or is there another Top protoss who comes in mind ?) and compare :D
Pif Paf Pouf
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
October 23 2011 18:37 GMT
#5513
On October 24 2011 03:25 Otolia wrote:
Just dropping that here : Stephano is too lazy for med school. It is a hoax that people like to talk about.


You can't be lazy and that good at sc2 sry
"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 23 2011 18:37 GMT
#5514
On October 24 2011 03:34 teamsolid wrote:
Are Stephano vs MKP VODs (or live stream archive) available? I missed that set. Thanks


Steaphano vs MarineKing: Game 1 : http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/watch/244673
Game 2 : http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/watch/244686
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
October 23 2011 18:38 GMT
#5515
On October 24 2011 03:34 teamsolid wrote:
Are Stephano vs MKP VODs (or live stream archive) available? I missed that set. Thanks

game 1:
http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/watch/244673
game 2:
http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/watch/244686

So does anyone have a link to the idra-livezerg-games? I want to watch them for the lolz.
xlord 5:0
butch
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium684 Posts
October 23 2011 18:47 GMT
#5516
On October 24 2011 03:02 Jackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:51 snurre wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:49 Jackle wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:44 Brainiac wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:41 Morrisson wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard...

ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS.


Wow, c'mon, you seriously need a proof after that video that someone posted earlier? Really? Stephano is a great player and all, but there is no way he couldn't hear the crowd / commentators.


Not sure if it's been pointed out in this thread, but I saw this on reddit. Stephano is clearly wearing his ethnic headgear, a piece of fabric covering his ears. So he obviously isn't using in-ear buds. Also this will severely reduce the sound proofing as the headphones won't be able to clasp the head as tight.

I was there. Stephano wore nothing but hair on his head.


Then what is that black band wrapped around his head?

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sup son ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marauder Die Die
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
October 23 2011 18:49 GMT
#5517
On October 24 2011 03:12 frd wrote:
The casting was, as expected, bad enough to make the angels weep (and it's still a damn shame it wasn't in English which is like, you know, the norm)

I was at the venue yesterday, and I was almost crying at how bad it was... P&T surprised at a Reactor Hellion opening VS zerg on a big map, and kept saying the Hellion run-by of Cloud was SOOOO effective (and we all know how bad it is for a meching player to lose the hellions early on...).

Long story short, not only the casting was in French (which is forgivable given the level of english of the average Frenchman), but P&T are just so damn awful. I saw Llewelys at the event, I was so sad he couldn't cast along with Yogo, it would have been so much better.
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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
October 23 2011 18:53 GMT
#5518
On October 24 2011 03:49 Ahelvin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 03:12 frd wrote:
The casting was, as expected, bad enough to make the angels weep (and it's still a damn shame it wasn't in English which is like, you know, the norm)

I was at the venue yesterday, and I was almost crying at how bad it was... P&T surprised at a Reactor Hellion opening VS zerg on a big map, and kept saying the Hellion run-by of Cloud was SOOOO effective (and we all know how bad it is for a meching player to lose the hellions early on...).

Long story short, not only the casting was in French (which is forgivable given the level of english of the average Frenchman), but P&T are just so damn awful. I saw Llewelys at the event, I was so sad he couldn't cast along with Yogo, it would have been so much better.

The casting in french is absolutly normal. But there should have been an english caster duo streaming from the tournament and not some room on the other side of the globe.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
October 23 2011 18:55 GMT
#5519
On October 24 2011 03:25 Maxquatre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 03:15 Eisenheim wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:59 Diavlo wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:40 Asshat wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:18 Xoronius wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:15 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:12 Nash wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:06 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:04 Bromazepam wrote:
Stephano has got to be the most hated foreigner ever.
Whatever he does people find ways to discredit his achievement. Now we reached the cheating accusation :D

Oh, how I wish he decided to go train in Korea for a few months and show that (whether?) he can actually kick ass just as much as top Koreans.



I think its jelousy mostly. Everyone say you need korean training to become the best but somehow Stephano is a freak and just destroys koreans and the best foreigner all the time. So its a slap in the face to many.

He clearly is very special


No it's just that he is gimmicky and ridiculously overhyped. People don't like that. I mean, people like you saying he destroys koreans and the best foreigners all the time? That's just a fanboyish lie. It hasn't happened, no matter how much you wish it.


Lol overhyped? He won IPL 3 and now ESWC world cup allmost 60k dollars in 2 weeks. Been a pro player for a month and he is overhyped?

Take an old great zerg like Idra he havent won 2 major online tournaments have he?

Overhyped lol gtfo


To be fair, Idra won an IEM, MLG and IPL. Not Premier tournaments but definitly major ones.


IPL1 and MLG DC had laughably weak competition, and IEM china wasn't exactly filled to the brim with code S players


IEM and ESWC are kinda in the same league. IdrA beat Puma,Revival,elfi and stephano beat MKP, Mana, cloud and axslav.

And IdrA placed higher than Stephano in the last MLG.

There is really no point in discussing who's the strongest based on results since we have so few at the moment.

If you look at gameplay, I would say Stephano's ZvP and possibly ZvZ are better than IdrA's and IdrA's ZvT is better.



ATM, Stephano is clearly better than IdrA.


Until we see 10 Bo5 of IdrA vs Stephano, I won't bother commenting that.
And i'm a Stephano fan.

I don't think this would be really fair.
Idra ZvZ is not at the same level as the top europeans. But I think his ZvT is slightly more solid than Stephano's.




JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
October 23 2011 18:57 GMT
#5520
On October 24 2011 03:49 Ahelvin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 03:12 frd wrote:
The casting was, as expected, bad enough to make the angels weep (and it's still a damn shame it wasn't in English which is like, you know, the norm)

I was at the venue yesterday, and I was almost crying at how bad it was... P&T surprised at a Reactor Hellion opening VS zerg on a big map, and kept saying the Hellion run-by of Cloud was SOOOO effective (and we all know how bad it is for a meching player to lose the hellions early on...).

Long story short, not only the casting was in French (which is forgivable given the level of english of the average Frenchman), but P&T are just so damn awful. I saw Llewelys at the event, I was so sad he couldn't cast along with Yogo, it would have been so much better.



Thud seems to knows 2 or 3 things but pomf seems to not follow sc2 metagame at all. He was completely loss when Thud was late yesterday morning.

If they don't improve their sc2 knowledge i dont think they will stay as long as that for the big french sc2 events
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