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On October 24 2011 02:40 Asshat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 02:18 Xoronius wrote:On October 24 2011 02:15 HappyChris wrote:On October 24 2011 02:12 Nash wrote:On October 24 2011 02:06 HappyChris wrote:On October 24 2011 02:04 Bromazepam wrote:
Stephano has got to be the most hated foreigner ever.
Whatever he does people find ways to discredit his achievement. Now we reached the cheating accusation :D
Oh, how I wish he decided to go train in Korea for a few months and show that (whether?) he can actually kick ass just as much as top Koreans. I think its jelousy mostly. Everyone say you need korean training to become the best but somehow Stephano is a freak and just destroys koreans and the best foreigner all the time. So its a slap in the face to many. He clearly is very special No it's just that he is gimmicky and ridiculously overhyped. People don't like that. I mean, people like you saying he destroys koreans and the best foreigners all the time? That's just a fanboyish lie. It hasn't happened, no matter how much you wish it. Lol overhyped? He won IPL 3 and now ESWC world cup allmost 60k dollars in 2 weeks. Been a pro player for a month and he is overhyped? Take an old great zerg like Idra he havent won 2 major online tournaments have he? Overhyped lol gtfo To be fair, Idra won an IEM, MLG and IPL. Not Premier tournaments but definitly major ones. IPL1 and MLG DC had laughably weak competition, and IEM china wasn't exactly filled to the brim with code S players
IEM and ESWC are kinda in the same league. IdrA beat Puma,Revival,elfi and stephano beat MKP, Mana, cloud and axslav.
And IdrA placed higher than Stephano in the last MLG.
There is really no point in discussing who's the strongest based on results since we have so few at the moment.
If you look at gameplay, I would say Stephano's ZvP and possibly ZvZ are better than IdrA's and IdrA's ZvT is better.
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ive been looking for the games, but I can't find any of them. can someone link me to the stephano vs marine king and mana games? thanks!
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On October 24 2011 02:51 snurre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 02:49 Jackle wrote:On October 24 2011 02:44 Brainiac wrote:On October 24 2011 02:41 Morrisson wrote:On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard... ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS. Wow, c'mon, you seriously need a proof after that video that someone posted earlier? Really? Stephano is a great player and all, but there is no way he couldn't hear the crowd / commentators. Not sure if it's been pointed out in this thread, but I saw this on reddit. Stephano is clearly wearing his ethnic headgear, a piece of fabric covering his ears. So he obviously isn't using in-ear buds. Also this will severely reduce the sound proofing as the headphones won't be able to clasp the head as tight. I was there. Stephano wore nothing but hair on his head.
Then what is that black band wrapped around his head?
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On October 24 2011 02:58 Maxquatre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 02:54 Brainiac wrote:On October 24 2011 02:52 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 02:44 Brainiac wrote:On October 24 2011 02:41 Morrisson wrote:On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard... ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS. Wow, c'mon, you seriously need a proof after that video that someone posted earlier? Really? Stephano is a great player and all, but there is no way he couldn't hear the crowd / commentators. I don't know if the sound from the video is the same as the sound the player hear on the stage, But I'm french and I don't understand anything the caster are saying in this video. At all. It's sounds like an overwhelming noise for me. No wonders you cannot understand anything, when the video was recorded with a cellphone by a guy who probably stood in the front of xxxxW speaker. You know what, I'm also pretty sure Stephano muted the sound from the game to hear Pomf &Thud commenting, I'm also pretty sure he had a direct access to their "TOP TIER" (ahem) commentary. Just to be sure he would win, we are French, we cheat, that's it.
Didn't they tell you ? P&T were whispering Stephano during the game.
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There are 2 people that said Stephano is overhyped and 100 people that defended Stephano.
There is no need anymore to be so defensive against such few people imo.
And yes, you can argue that Steohano is the best foreigner, so can you for IdrA, so can you for HuK. Cant we just agree that we disagree and move on please.
Ever since that "best foreigner poll" was created this is the been argued about in almost every thread that I have read. Please, please, please let us all be happy zerglings, marines and Zealots.
Edit: I need to get John to make a speech about this.
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On October 24 2011 02:50 Maxquatre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 02:44 Brainiac wrote:On October 24 2011 02:41 Morrisson wrote:On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard... ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS. Wow, c'mon, you seriously need a proof after that video that someone posted earlier? Really? Stephano is a great player and all, but there is no way he couldn't hear the crowd / commentators. Bwahah, haters gonna hate. I didn't see that much crap when MLG and IEM didn't have soundproof booth.And elaborate for me please how "woooooooooooow yeahhhhhhhhhhhh" tells any players any informations when YOU are in the enemy BASE WINNING the game ?
You have short memory...
A hint... Nydus worm ^^
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Difference is stephano has yet never been in Korea in opposite of Idra and HuK , but stephano is an ex warcraft III pro.
The real questions are : When will he stop his learning ( is he as his max here ? )
Will he continue to win so many things ( or will he crash in korea like so many before and after him )
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On October 24 2011 02:53 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 02:33 CutthroatCollapse wrote:On October 24 2011 02:23 Pippi wrote:On October 24 2011 02:06 Jetaap wrote:On October 24 2011 02:02 Frankon wrote:
If Naniwa was there.... There wouldn't be a problem with players hearing the french casters ^^
The games would be casted in english so both players would have equal chances...
Naniwa did it for his game vs Tarson in Battlenet EU Invitational. Polish stream was switched with english one to play for the audience. I can bet than more of 60% of the crowd would be unable to understand the commentary if it was in english... it's an event in France, a lot of French (especially gamers) suck at english, French is the official language in France and the majority of the crowd is French, there is no reason to not cast in french. France is not sweden, we suck at english. Well why whould they have a thing called world championship in a place were they dont know the most common language in "lé" world. But tbh, if anyone could hear them they most likely whould've complain. It's alot of money we are talking about. But if they did complain and they didn't do anything about it whould be a damn shame. I could probably search this up, but why does only a few countries in europe learn english? Is it because we know the importance of beeing able to communicate with other people than just ourself. Or is it because we aren't as proud as the french and the germans for instance? :S why do some people not see the importance of learning French, which is also a very important language in the EU (there is no accent on "le") You swedish people grow up with non-dubbed movies, so your understanding and eventually your production of english benefits greatly from that without you even really noticing it. Also, swedish as a germanic language has lots of similarities to English. your last sentence is not worth commenting on His last sentence probably comes from our view that you want "everything" dubbed and translated. That and that we believe that you and the French "hates" England due to your history makes us think that you are stubborned nationalists who doesn't want to recognize the english language as #1 in our western world. That's my guess. :p And we all love to pick on and banter on each other. ^^
totally agree with your last sentence 
not so much with the rest. there is also an economic reason for dubbing movies for a big country like germany, you know
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On October 24 2011 03:02 Jackle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 02:51 snurre wrote:On October 24 2011 02:49 Jackle wrote:On October 24 2011 02:44 Brainiac wrote:On October 24 2011 02:41 Morrisson wrote:On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard... ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS. Wow, c'mon, you seriously need a proof after that video that someone posted earlier? Really? Stephano is a great player and all, but there is no way he couldn't hear the crowd / commentators. Not sure if it's been pointed out in this thread, but I saw this on reddit. Stephano is clearly wearing his ethnic headgear, a piece of fabric covering his ears. So he obviously isn't using in-ear buds. Also this will severely reduce the sound proofing as the headphones won't be able to clasp the head as tight. I was there. Stephano wore nothing but hair on his head. Then what is that black band wrapped around his head?
http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/eswc-2011-video-de-la-finale-stephano-a-la-coupe-du-monde-starcraft-2-53581
do you see anything on his head? No.
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On October 24 2011 03:09 27raven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 03:02 Jackle wrote:On October 24 2011 02:51 snurre wrote:On October 24 2011 02:49 Jackle wrote:On October 24 2011 02:44 Brainiac wrote:On October 24 2011 02:41 Morrisson wrote:On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard... ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS. Wow, c'mon, you seriously need a proof after that video that someone posted earlier? Really? Stephano is a great player and all, but there is no way he couldn't hear the crowd / commentators. Not sure if it's been pointed out in this thread, but I saw this on reddit. Stephano is clearly wearing his ethnic headgear, a piece of fabric covering his ears. So he obviously isn't using in-ear buds. Also this will severely reduce the sound proofing as the headphones won't be able to clasp the head as tight. I was there. Stephano wore nothing but hair on his head. Then what is that black band wrapped around his head? http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/eswc-2011-video-de-la-finale-stephano-a-la-coupe-du-monde-starcraft-2-53581do you see anything on his head? No.
It's probably hair that doesn't allow sound cancelling earplugs.
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On October 24 2011 03:09 27raven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 03:02 Jackle wrote:On October 24 2011 02:51 snurre wrote:On October 24 2011 02:49 Jackle wrote:On October 24 2011 02:44 Brainiac wrote:On October 24 2011 02:41 Morrisson wrote:On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard... ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS. Wow, c'mon, you seriously need a proof after that video that someone posted earlier? Really? Stephano is a great player and all, but there is no way he couldn't hear the crowd / commentators. Not sure if it's been pointed out in this thread, but I saw this on reddit. Stephano is clearly wearing his ethnic headgear, a piece of fabric covering his ears. So he obviously isn't using in-ear buds. Also this will severely reduce the sound proofing as the headphones won't be able to clasp the head as tight. I was there. Stephano wore nothing but hair on his head. Then what is that black band wrapped around his head? http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/eswc-2011-video-de-la-finale-stephano-a-la-coupe-du-monde-starcraft-2-53581do you see anything on his head? No.
That bunny does look kinda suspicious though lol.
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On October 24 2011 01:28 GTR wrote:
this feels like a cheap way of flouting national pride ;d
They played Star Spangled Banner when the American women's Counter-Strike team won. It's just part of the ceremony. That said, the national anthems did feel out of place.
Not the best of events. The scheduling was rather frustrating ; semi-finals were at 11 am and finals at 4 pm with not much in-between (besides watching MC & MKP practice or an Adel vs Lalush showmatch). But what really annoyed me was the fact they only showed one on the semis (Stephano vs MKP), while the other one (and the consolation final) took place in the training area). The casting was, as expected, bad enough to make the angels weep (and it's still a damn shame it wasn't in English which is like, you know, the norm).
As for the whole "Stephano hearing the casting" thing, I think the fact he had his army at the worst possible place when Mana dropped and took out the Lair and Spire should probably dispel any conspiracy theory. That or Stephano is actually a genius and he let that go down on purpose to dispel any conspiracy theory...
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On October 24 2011 03:09 27raven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 03:02 Jackle wrote:On October 24 2011 02:51 snurre wrote:On October 24 2011 02:49 Jackle wrote:On October 24 2011 02:44 Brainiac wrote:On October 24 2011 02:41 Morrisson wrote:On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard... ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS. Wow, c'mon, you seriously need a proof after that video that someone posted earlier? Really? Stephano is a great player and all, but there is no way he couldn't hear the crowd / commentators. Not sure if it's been pointed out in this thread, but I saw this on reddit. Stephano is clearly wearing his ethnic headgear, a piece of fabric covering his ears. So he obviously isn't using in-ear buds. Also this will severely reduce the sound proofing as the headphones won't be able to clasp the head as tight. I was there. Stephano wore nothing but hair on his head. Then what is that black band wrapped around his head? http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/eswc-2011-video-de-la-finale-stephano-a-la-coupe-du-monde-starcraft-2-53581do you see anything on his head? No.
Well, my point was that he was wearing something over his ears for his games vs MKP, I'm not accusing him of ear hacking, just some food for thought those saying "Oh if one player heard them, couldn't they all?" arguement.
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Well you clearly see him pulling some kind of headphones when he wins the game -_-
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On October 24 2011 02:59 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 02:40 Asshat wrote:On October 24 2011 02:18 Xoronius wrote:On October 24 2011 02:15 HappyChris wrote:On October 24 2011 02:12 Nash wrote:On October 24 2011 02:06 HappyChris wrote:On October 24 2011 02:04 Bromazepam wrote:
Stephano has got to be the most hated foreigner ever.
Whatever he does people find ways to discredit his achievement. Now we reached the cheating accusation :D
Oh, how I wish he decided to go train in Korea for a few months and show that (whether?) he can actually kick ass just as much as top Koreans. I think its jelousy mostly. Everyone say you need korean training to become the best but somehow Stephano is a freak and just destroys koreans and the best foreigner all the time. So its a slap in the face to many. He clearly is very special No it's just that he is gimmicky and ridiculously overhyped. People don't like that. I mean, people like you saying he destroys koreans and the best foreigners all the time? That's just a fanboyish lie. It hasn't happened, no matter how much you wish it. Lol overhyped? He won IPL 3 and now ESWC world cup allmost 60k dollars in 2 weeks. Been a pro player for a month and he is overhyped? Take an old great zerg like Idra he havent won 2 major online tournaments have he? Overhyped lol gtfo To be fair, Idra won an IEM, MLG and IPL. Not Premier tournaments but definitly major ones. IPL1 and MLG DC had laughably weak competition, and IEM china wasn't exactly filled to the brim with code S players IEM and ESWC are kinda in the same league. IdrA beat Puma,Revival,elfi and stephano beat MKP, Mana, cloud and axslav. And IdrA placed higher than Stephano in the last MLG.There is really no point in discussing who's the strongest based on results since we have so few at the moment. If you look at gameplay, I would say Stephano's ZvP and possibly ZvZ are better than IdrA's and IdrA's ZvT is better.
Man, all your argumentations is invalid because of this.
We all know the MLG organistion sucks (Incontrol's Pool, Extended series, too many Bo3 if you lose 1 game in winner bracket)
ATM, Stephano is clearly better than IdrA.
And just for your information Stephano is now the 1st Foreigner in money according to http://www.sc2earnings.com
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On October 24 2011 02:47 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 02:40 bgx wrote:On October 24 2011 02:35 babylon wrote:On October 24 2011 02:32 DoomsVille wrote:On October 24 2011 02:27 msjakofsky wrote:
i don't get the stephano bashing. didn't he just become the foreigner with most prize money earned in like 3 weeks? he just beat MKP at a lan, MKP, who beat DRG who was said to have the best zvt in the world. people are just ridiculous. This is the only time MKP has ever lost a BOX series to a zerg that isn't named NesTea. Despite that, people still find a reason to shit on Stephano? It's ridiculous. I think saying MKP has the best TvZ is a bit of an exaggeration -- MVP would like to say hello -- but yes, basically what you've said. No point in downplaying this guy's achievements, especially since he'll be retiring in a year. (Lol, reminds me of Creo.) for sure he wont be retiring if he will keep up winning tournaments, hes the calculative guy, if hes winning its profitable ergo he will continue doing it. Haha, people thought that about Creo too. Then he said goodbye to the scene right at the height of his glory! Stephano will earn a shit ton more money going into medicine anyways. It's a better career, and it's a hundred times more stable. Why would you keep playing SC2 if it'll eventually die in a decade when you can become a doctor and help save or improve the quality of people's lives?
becuase e-sports is the best fucking thing on earth and some ppl dont give a shit about "improving the quality of peoples lives"?
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I like how he just earns 30K every other week...
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