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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 23 2011 17:26 GMT
#5441
On October 24 2011 02:23 Pippi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:06 Jetaap wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:02 Frankon wrote:
If Naniwa was there.... There wouldn't be a problem with players hearing the french casters ^^

The games would be casted in english so both players would have equal chances...

Naniwa did it for his game vs Tarson in Battlenet EU Invitational. Polish stream was switched with english one to play for the audience.

I can bet than more of 60% of the crowd would be unable to understand the commentary if it was in english... it's an event in France, a lot of French (especially gamers) suck at english, French is the official language in France and the majority of the crowd is French, there is no reason to not cast in french.
France is not sweden, we suck at english.


Well why whould they have a thing called world championship in a place were they dont know the most common language in "lé" world.

But tbh, if anyone could hear them they most likely whould've complain. It's alot of money we are talking about. But if they did complain and they didn't do anything about it whould be a damn shame.

I could probably search this up, but why does only a few countries in europe learn english? Is it because we know the importance of beeing able to communicate with other people than just ourself. Or is it because we aren't as proud as the french and the germans for instance? :S


In Germany you start to learn english with an age of 8 years. 10, if you are on a weird elementary school.
ItchyLegs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada369 Posts
October 23 2011 17:26 GMT
#5442
people saying Stephano is overhyped - This guy has lost like 10 games in the past 2 months. Like total. Check his ladder stats and his tournament stats. He's lost like 10 games. Period. Against koreans, foreigners, anyone.

The guy is good.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
October 23 2011 17:26 GMT
#5443
Stephano, taking his skillz to the bank.
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
October 23 2011 17:27 GMT
#5444
i don't get the stephano bashing. didn't he just become the foreigner with most prize money earned in like 3 weeks? he just beat MKP at a lan, MKP, who beat DRG who was said to have the best zvt in the world. people are just ridiculous.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
October 23 2011 17:31 GMT
#5445
I've been convinced for about a month that Stephano is the best zerg in the world, including Korea.

I don't see any other players that control their zerglings and roaches as effectively as Stephano. I don't know how he does it, but somehow he has mastered the art of not having lings running around not attacking. Watch him attack a siege line, he somehow separates his lings so that only the right amount surrounds the tanks and the rest carry on to attack the other units. Any other player I see do this, always has extra lings running circles around tanks and not attacking..... even Nestea last night vs MVP.

I would love to see him play a best of 7 vs MVP right now..... I would not be at all surpised if Stephano beat him.



DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 23 2011 17:31 GMT
#5446
Holy shit how stupid are some people?

Obviously Stephano couldn't hear anything. If any of the players could, obviously they would say something (because they know it would give an advantage to their french opponent...).

And calling Stephano gimmicky is laughable. His ZvP is 100% straight up. His ZvZ is 100% straight up (he doesn't go for any ridiculous timings or anything). His ZvT has been studied heavily by the Koreans (including MKP) and he still lost to it. He isn't winning because he's gimmicky. He's winning because he's fucking good.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 23 2011 17:31 GMT
#5447
On October 24 2011 02:26 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:24 K3Nyy wrote:
Grats to Stephano!

I'm amazed at his level of performance. He seems to be able to take out some of the best Koreans quite consistently. He's probably the best foreigner right now in my opinion.


I think he's tied with HuK for that, with IdrA, Mana, and Sen not far behind.


I agree Huk and Stephano proberly tied but dont forget Thorzain yea he havent been played great the last weeks but he has been sick aswell
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 23 2011 17:32 GMT
#5448
On October 24 2011 02:27 msjakofsky wrote:
i don't get the stephano bashing. didn't he just become the foreigner with most prize money earned in like 3 weeks? he just beat MKP at a lan, MKP, who beat DRG who was said to have the best zvt in the world. people are just ridiculous.

This is the only time MKP has ever lost a BOX series to a zerg that isn't named NesTea.

Despite that, people still find a reason to shit on Stephano? It's ridiculous.
CutthroatCollapse
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany309 Posts
October 23 2011 17:33 GMT
#5449
On October 24 2011 02:23 Pippi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:06 Jetaap wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:02 Frankon wrote:
If Naniwa was there.... There wouldn't be a problem with players hearing the french casters ^^

The games would be casted in english so both players would have equal chances...

Naniwa did it for his game vs Tarson in Battlenet EU Invitational. Polish stream was switched with english one to play for the audience.

I can bet than more of 60% of the crowd would be unable to understand the commentary if it was in english... it's an event in France, a lot of French (especially gamers) suck at english, French is the official language in France and the majority of the crowd is French, there is no reason to not cast in french.
France is not sweden, we suck at english.


Well why whould they have a thing called world championship in a place were they dont know the most common language in "lé" world.

But tbh, if anyone could hear them they most likely whould've complain. It's alot of money we are talking about. But if they did complain and they didn't do anything about it whould be a damn shame.

I could probably search this up, but why does only a few countries in europe learn english? Is it because we know the importance of beeing able to communicate with other people than just ourself. Or is it because we aren't as proud as the french and the germans for instance? :S


why do some people not see the importance of learning French, which is also a very important language in the EU (there is no accent on "le")
You swedish people grow up with non-dubbed movies, so your understanding and eventually your production of english benefits greatly from that without you even really noticing it. Also, swedish as a germanic language has lots of similarities to English.
your last sentence is not worth commenting on
I tink, MC so sterong
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42384 Posts
October 23 2011 17:35 GMT
#5450
On October 24 2011 02:31 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:26 Azarkon wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:24 K3Nyy wrote:
Grats to Stephano!

I'm amazed at his level of performance. He seems to be able to take out some of the best Koreans quite consistently. He's probably the best foreigner right now in my opinion.


I think he's tied with HuK for that, with IdrA, Mana, and Sen not far behind.


I agree Huk and Stephano proberly tied but dont forget Thorzain yea he havent been played great the last weeks but he has been sick aswell


Too much quake, thats the reason. :p
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 23 2011 17:35 GMT
#5451
On October 24 2011 02:32 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:27 msjakofsky wrote:
i don't get the stephano bashing. didn't he just become the foreigner with most prize money earned in like 3 weeks? he just beat MKP at a lan, MKP, who beat DRG who was said to have the best zvt in the world. people are just ridiculous.

This is the only time MKP has ever lost a BOX series to a zerg that isn't named NesTea.

Despite that, people still find a reason to shit on Stephano? It's ridiculous.

I think saying MKP has the best TvZ is a bit of an exaggeration -- MVP would like to say hello -- but yes, basically what you've said.

No point in downplaying this guy's achievements, especially since he'll be retiring in a year. (Lol, reminds me of Creo.)
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
October 23 2011 17:36 GMT
#5452
On October 24 2011 02:32 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:27 msjakofsky wrote:
i don't get the stephano bashing. didn't he just become the foreigner with most prize money earned in like 3 weeks? he just beat MKP at a lan, MKP, who beat DRG who was said to have the best zvt in the world. people are just ridiculous.

This is the only time MKP has ever lost a BOX series to a zerg that isn't named NesTea.

Despite that, people still find a reason to shit on Stephano? It's ridiculous.



in truth he also lost to kyrix some time before open season 2, but he avenged it at the gsl
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 17:39:43
October 23 2011 17:39 GMT
#5453
Don't worry about Stephano he will be retiring and MKP/MVP/Koreans will live on an improve upon their game while he will be studying. No point in saying Stephano is the best... because he's not going to keep it up due to retirement...
Brainiac
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland641 Posts
October 23 2011 17:40 GMT
#5454
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard...
Si vis pacem para bellum
Asshat
Profile Joined September 2010
593 Posts
October 23 2011 17:40 GMT
#5455
On October 24 2011 02:18 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:15 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:12 Nash wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:06 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:04 Bromazepam wrote:
Stephano has got to be the most hated foreigner ever.
Whatever he does people find ways to discredit his achievement. Now we reached the cheating accusation :D

Oh, how I wish he decided to go train in Korea for a few months and show that (whether?) he can actually kick ass just as much as top Koreans.



I think its jelousy mostly. Everyone say you need korean training to become the best but somehow Stephano is a freak and just destroys koreans and the best foreigner all the time. So its a slap in the face to many.

He clearly is very special


No it's just that he is gimmicky and ridiculously overhyped. People don't like that. I mean, people like you saying he destroys koreans and the best foreigners all the time? That's just a fanboyish lie. It hasn't happened, no matter how much you wish it.


Lol overhyped? He won IPL 3 and now ESWC world cup allmost 60k dollars in 2 weeks. Been a pro player for a month and he is overhyped?

Take an old great zerg like Idra he havent won 2 major online tournaments have he?

Overhyped lol gtfo


To be fair, Idra won an IEM, MLG and IPL. Not Premier tournaments but definitly major ones.


IPL1 and MLG DC had laughably weak competition, and IEM china wasn't exactly filled to the brim with code S players
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
October 23 2011 17:40 GMT
#5456
On October 24 2011 02:35 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:32 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:27 msjakofsky wrote:
i don't get the stephano bashing. didn't he just become the foreigner with most prize money earned in like 3 weeks? he just beat MKP at a lan, MKP, who beat DRG who was said to have the best zvt in the world. people are just ridiculous.

This is the only time MKP has ever lost a BOX series to a zerg that isn't named NesTea.

Despite that, people still find a reason to shit on Stephano? It's ridiculous.

I think saying MKP has the best TvZ is a bit of an exaggeration -- MVP would like to say hello -- but yes, basically what you've said.

No point in downplaying this guy's achievements, especially since he'll be retiring in a year. (Lol, reminds me of Creo.)

for sure he wont be retiring if he will keep up winning tournaments, hes the calculative guy, if hes winning its profitable ergo he will continue doing it.
Stork[gm]
Morrisson
Profile Joined May 2011
289 Posts
October 23 2011 17:41 GMT
#5457
On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard...

ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 23 2011 17:41 GMT
#5458
On October 24 2011 02:32 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:27 msjakofsky wrote:
i don't get the stephano bashing. didn't he just become the foreigner with most prize money earned in like 3 weeks? he just beat MKP at a lan, MKP, who beat DRG who was said to have the best zvt in the world. people are just ridiculous.

This is the only time MKP has ever lost a BOX series to a zerg that isn't named NesTea.

Despite that, people still find a reason to shit on Stephano? It's ridiculous.

he lost to coca 2-0 in the last korean weekly
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Brainiac
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland641 Posts
October 23 2011 17:44 GMT
#5459
On October 24 2011 02:41 Morrisson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard...

ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS.


Wow, c'mon, you seriously need a proof after that video that someone posted earlier? Really? Stephano is a great player and all, but there is no way he couldn't hear the crowd / commentators.
Si vis pacem para bellum
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 23 2011 17:45 GMT
#5460
On October 24 2011 02:41 Morrisson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 02:40 Brainiac wrote:
Gratz to Stephano for winning, but being able to hear the casters overshadows his achievement pretty hard...

ANy proof of that? If not, stop the BS.


He is polish he is just sad MaNa lost
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