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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:38 Koshi wrote: When he had to play iNcontrol @MLG without a keyboard he was also pretty pissed  .But he was pissed in a very cute and cuddly way. | ||
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Xayoz
Estonia373 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote: That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas. Protoss doesn't really bank resources and 2 on each patch is optimal as the third only mines half. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:37 Probe1 wrote: 2:00 Check opening hatch first while jjakji opens a standard barrrax gas. 3:50 Factory on the way after barracks, hellions will be coming. But first! Bunker pressure from jjakji. It has no effect but certainly causes Check to respond. | ||
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artrea
Latvia3560 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:39 Probe1 wrote: 3:50 Factory on the way after barracks, hellions will be coming. But first! Bunker pressure from jjakji. It has no effect but certainly causes Check to respond. 5:00 2nd command center on the way for jjakji on the high ground. 2 hellions pop out and are clearing the map. Blue flame being researched. Check responding with spines only. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:36 _vladimir_ wrote: So basicly, if Kyrix and Check lose all of their games, it will come down to the last game MC vs Jjakji, and if MC win, we have 3 way tie, if he lose...he has to win MLG xD But jjakji won Losira, so if Jjakji wins all and lose to MC he'll be 3-1, losing to MC, Losira 3-1 losing to Jjakji, MC 3-1 losing to Losira, so they'll have to replay unless I'm terribly wrong (which happens often) | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote: That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas. He didn't even cut probes for that long before letting his resources stockpile for the warpins. The reason the drone count looked so uneven was because Kyrix literally made nothing but drones and a third base the entire time. If the zerg saw it coming he would have also had to cut drones to make units to combat it in which case he wouldnt have had as many drones to make MC look as all-in as he was. Sure MC would have been behind without his gases but you are behind if any timing push ever fails. That doesn't make it an all-in and doesnt make MC instantly dead. It was a timing that hit when a zerg would be greedy taking his third after scouting a FFE and teching to hydra to deal with the voidrays (which he was), if there was no quick third then MC wasn't behind and if there were no hydras three voidrays woudl have done a ton of damage after zealots took out queens. | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:36 Montana[TK] wrote: Check just went 9OL. Maybe some day Koreans will learn. Doesn't matter if they go 9 or 10OL when they beat the living shit out of foreigners | ||
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nougdp
Germany144 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:39 artrea wrote: Jakji why not 2 bunker wall in ala MVP ? P Too easy, Jjakji will show his Marine/Tank skill and humiliate Check. | ||
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CortoMontez
Australia608 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:40 MrCon wrote: But jjakji won Losira, so if Jjakji wins all and lose to MC he'll be 3-1, losing to MC, Losira 3-1 losing to Jjakji, MC 3-1 losing to Losira, so they'll have to replay unless I'm terribly wrong (which happens often) 3-way FFA for the tie-breaker | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
It is the only solution. I don't see another option. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:40 Probe1 wrote: 5:00 2nd command center on the way for jjakji on the high ground. 2 hellions pop out and are clearing the map. Blue flame being researched. Check responding with spines only. 7:00 Overlords being picked off in the middle of the map supply blocking check. The marines immediately pick up into a medivac and head for a drop into the main. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:36 AznRyoga wrote: Can people stop immediately call this an all in. If a protoss, doesn't matter how many gates he has sees that a zerg has no units, he's going to pressure to either do damage or force a zerg to make units at the very least. You guys forget, mc sees all of kyrix's base with the voids, don't assume that once he made the 6 gates he was committed. It is an all-in because the probe production was stopped entirely. If it was intended as "pressure", the probe production would continue and MC wouldn't have been able to afford that many zealots in such a short period of time. On September 07 2011 19:37 Medrea wrote: That attack not doing damage is highly unlikely. Remember you can block off the ramp and zerg has no units. Nothing that would really dominate zealots and 3 fully charged voidrays without heavy losses. The block was key, it lets the voidrays get max charge, and when that happens its easy to be cost effective with them. Precisely why nobody is doubting the fact that this is a well executed all-in. Trickster wasn't able to achieve the same effect during his game with Losira. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
Massive cut in probes with little to no tech and mass units (with or without a probe pull) with almost no good way to transition out of without doing heavy to massive damage (hopefully they gg before all my units die) aggression. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
This is what happens when we have two people who are good with play-by-play but are not experienced enough to do game analysis. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:42 Probe1 wrote: 7:00 Overlords being picked off in the middle of the map supply blocking check. The marines immediately pick up into a medivac and head for a drop into the main. 9:00 Marines and BFH are tearing up the Zerg Main but Check counter attacks with lings and eats a lot of scvs. Intense two sided micro going on.. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:39 Medrea wrote: Protoss doesn't really bank resources and 2 on each patch is optimal as the third only mines half. 40 probes 10mins into the game is not optimal by any means. He was banking gas because he was building nothing but Zealots. Though at the end he made some sentry warp-ins and burned it all Regardless it was an all-in. 40 Probes just doesn't cut it considering in the next few minutes you have to rebuild an army AND Tech AND build another 20~ Probes. Chronoboost probes for the first few minutes your mineral spending increases as you are producing probes at a faster rate, it takes a minute or two before the Probes kick in and pay themselves off, unlike Mules which are almost instant gain | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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