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On September 08 2011 06:36 MechKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 06:28 Severus_ wrote:On September 08 2011 05:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On September 08 2011 04:53 Severus_ wrote:
Yes MC in Code A got tired of everybody defending this guy he is so bad... Seriously? The guy with the most prize money in sc2 drops down to code A and you think is that bad? Then who is actually good? Yes most prize money =/= the best in the world, but surely you can't constantly win money being "So Bad". Are you joking ? The only reason he won those champs because he exploited the new things in the game people catch on with his retarted timing attacks and he has nothing. He can't macro to save his life most of his games are gambles when was the last time you watched some of his games and said LOL that some solid play ? Because every time i watch Nestea,Bomber,MVP and some of the others players (Losira,Puzzle,Bomber,DGR) in their specific matchups i'm amazed and think to myself this is unbeatble and don't tell me recent MC vs Puma 2 finals because the NASL one all his wins were allins and the terminus game was fail 4gate into cuting probes for robo. The IEM one was complete roflstomp from PuMa....even in his games in Code S were jokes vs MVP he scouts tank,marine hard contain and insted of droping gates and rolling it with better upgrades and gateway pumps he gets colo from 2 base that cuts his gateway count and he gets contained to his death. Even in team league he is a joke and fails his team the game vs Revival on terminus proves that how he always gambe and gets roflstomped. Yes he got 2 wins from Taeja and Ryung who are medicore in their TvP at best Taeja didn't scout any tech in his game and Ryung is a T sniper. About his GSL wins well grats on exploting 3gate voidray allins,4gate PvP and N-gate timings rly a true champion who can deny that.. Seriously don't try to defend this guy cuz he is a joke and you spit in the face in all those who play day after day to improve their game by having a better macro,micro,strat then to exploit some retard timing attacks. Rofl, you don't think MC practices hard day after day? MVP dropped down to code A too, does that make him bad?
according to many yes.
you know there was even a post of it here in featured news that at MLG MVP would do poorly and that he was overrated, now ooo best of the world again.
People give up on players way to fast, MC will be back, his play is not confident right now, but he can do alot better. Don't go hate on people like that, for i do not like his personality at all tbh but when he play's on his top i do enjoy watching his play and i see that as a great thing, the better the play by anyone the more i enjoy the game.
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On September 08 2011 14:19 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 12:35 Doko wrote:
To be fair, playing protoss =
PvP = nerve wracking adrenaline infused hell
PvT = Hope i don't die if I expo. 25-35 in game minutes later if you dint die to expoing comes down to emp vs feedback in which terran has the advantage due to always having scans to clear obs.
PvZ = Hope my stargate does enough damage or I loose. (depends on how easy taking a 3rd is)
Add all ins that may or may not work and thats protoss in a nutshell. Its pretty dumb. PvT is more like: I hope I don't die before the 15:00 minute mark. Terran's try to kill/significantly damage the Protoss before it gets really late game, otherwise it's very difficult for them to pull a win.
I dont agree. Ghosts >>>>> HT and Vikings >>>>>> Colossus. I dont see how protoss has an adavantage at all. Terran bio is cheap and easily replacable and probably the most cost efficient in the game against protoss.
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On September 08 2011 04:43 aresendez88 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:38 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:35 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 04:22 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:15 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 02:51 Toadvine wrote:
Results exactly as expected. Except for Check's good run, that is; totally expected MC to get owned by LosirA and Jjakji.
On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many Terrans we need to have in Code S to convince the majority that there's really some problem with the game. Personally, I think I'm only going to watch Code A next season. I want to support GoM with my viewership, and the upcoming Code A looks very promising, but Code S honestly feels like a total joke to me at this point. Also, there's a limit to how much TvT you can watch in a row, as fun as it can be sometimes. If you looked at the results only you would think there might be a problem but if you actually sit and watch the games and keep up with it you aren't as surprised. MC is playing bad, Alicia is playing bad, they've been slumping for a while and have now dropped to Code A while players like Jajjkji and Leenock who have been on the radar for a while now have moved up. How is this surprising to anyone if you actually watched the games? If you watched the qualifiers and saw the massive influx of non-Terrans into Code A you'd notice that this current heavy Terran trend is temporary and merely a result of a Terran heavy Code A that we had for a couple seasons. It's all based on racial population to pull from. I'm sure it's a coincidence that every protoss just plays bad in GSL. Yup. Just a total coincidence. MC, huk, hongun, alicia, puzzle. They should just learn to play so protoss can win a GSL. Noobs. Let's see. MC in the RO32 got outplayed by MVP in his first game when he allowed MVP to set up a hard contain with bunkers and siege tanks in his choke and then tried to a-move into it; and then 2 rax all inn'd by Noblesse in the next one, something I've seen MC hold several times before but didn't this time for a few reasons. Huk's mistakes have been discussed about a thousand times on these boards. He made enormous errors in judgement in 2 games against the best all around Terran in the GSL while also suffering a build order loss to MVP because MVP is very familiar with Huk's opening that he never changes. Hongun got all inn'd twice by July in the RO16. When you play against July you play safe or you die, it's that simple he should have known that. Alicia has been slumping for a while now. Puzzle's loss in the RO16 was more due to Ryung playing like an absolute beast moreso than his own shortcomings. I think we'll see more of Puzzle next season in top form. Genius couldn't handle the late game against TOP (and also just made chose some of the worst engagements I've ever seen at the pro level) and Trickster is also in a slump. Did I miss anyone? And yet this is all the protoss race has to offer. If the code S protoss play like shit why aren't they replaced with better protoss? What, no one is capable of playing protoss well? When you look at this and the winrates perhaps there is a shortcoming with the race as well. Did you even bother to read my other post? This is already happening. There are is a bunch of new blood entering Code A this season. We got guys like HerO, Sage and Oz as well as players I've never heard of like Weekend and Shinystar making it through the qualifiers. This is the eb and flow of the GSL, players that can't keep up with the metagame are eventually forced out while new blood comes in to replace them. It doesn't happen all at once but it does eventually happen.
I might probably talking out of my ass here, but if even one of those guys makes it through to Code S, it would be a miracle (unless they go through a bunch of PvPs ^__^)
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I can see sage making it. Dude is a genius.
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On September 08 2011 05:35 Odoakar wrote:
Sadly, I'm getting bored/fed up with this game:| will probably stop watching once D3 is out. Recently, I've been only watching MLG...I don't know why that is, I certainly would like to keep interest in this game for as long as I can.
I have this feeling that it's not about the players and how good they are but the current state of the game. One race becomes dominant, Blizzard nerfs it and than that race goes into slump, and another one takes the dominant spot, gets nerfed and so on...Players are one day playing in Ro4 Code S, and next month they're in Code B. I think GomTV's system is ok, it's just that you don't have any guarantees that a really good player will be rewarded for his skills and efforts.
Meh:|
that's how balancing works, eventually blizzard will be able to patch much less and then hit a point where they can just sit back and let the players figure out all the stuff themselves like in BW right now
just be a bit patient 
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Ladies and gentleman, we got our next invite spot for the MLG.
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On September 08 2011 14:19 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 12:35 Doko wrote:
To be fair, playing protoss =
PvP = nerve wracking adrenaline infused hell
PvT = Hope i don't die if I expo. 25-35 in game minutes later if you dint die to expoing comes down to emp vs feedback in which terran has the advantage due to always having scans to clear obs.
PvZ = Hope my stargate does enough damage or I loose. (depends on how easy taking a 3rd is)
Add all ins that may or may not work and thats protoss in a nutshell. Its pretty dumb. PvT is more like: I hope I don't die before the 15:00 minute mark. Terran's try to kill/significantly damage the Protoss before it gets really late game, otherwise it's very difficult for them to pull a win.
Funny, all I see is Terran wrecking Protoss with mass Ghosts play late game nowadays.
I do agree though that it is really hard for Terran is the lower levels.
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On September 08 2011 10:11 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 09:36 usethis2 wrote:On September 08 2011 09:04 Hider wrote:
DO you underrstand the word macro? It has nothing to do with beating players or doing smart things. Polts macro is prob. the worst of any code s player (control however is in the top 5), as he is really bad a building svs. You get that impression because of Artosis' irrational hate on Polt (and mauraders, as I've recently learned - Polt is known as "Maurader King" in Korea like MKP is.. well, "Marine King"). When Polt performs better macro or has more SCVs Artosis will say nothing. He keeps an eagle's eye on Polt's SCV count and the moment it goes below his opponent's he brings it up and pounds on it. It's really a shame how much influence a caster exerts over viewership in this community. Polt's macro is up there. I won't say it's as good as that of MVP, but you don't win tournaments and perform consistently without competitive macro. Serisouly dude, if you cant see that polts scv macro is bad at every f..... game (he is usally decent till 30 or so, and then he fucks up), you are having some serious problems. And the thing is, your scv count should in most situations never go relatively down to the other terran given that there is no aggression. NEver, and i dont care if it goes up (then the opp mismacroes). And dont tell me that polt cuts scvs intentionally. When that is said, I agree with you that Artosis is doing a lot of irrational hype/hate on players, but Polt has bad scv macro, just like select has bad scv macro. When you mention the macro of MVP it imo becomes pretty clear you dont watch/understands the game that intense. His macro isn't spectectular. Its solid, but what makes him so good is his control/game understanding (and no idont care about his bw career. But he will miss scvs once a while as well.
What are you trying to prove Hider? Polt maybe does not have 100% macro management so what, like MKP they are both in the top of the GSL purely off decision making and control, which in my opinion means far more as a spectator...
There are many many players who are macro oriented but cant micro/make smart decisions for shit, there are few the other way around like polt.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Uhm, actually I do think Polt cuts SCVs intentionally... Keep scv count around 50, rely on mules, have a bigger army. Ive seen this a few times from him now I m pretty sure, tho id have to check some more games to know for certain.
I just think hes a pretty smart guy and probably has a reason for most things he does.
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No crying. MC can switch like Byun if he thinks it's imba race. there are 3 options available you know.
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On September 08 2011 10:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 10:11 Hider wrote:On September 08 2011 09:36 usethis2 wrote:On September 08 2011 09:04 Hider wrote:
DO you underrstand the word macro? It has nothing to do with beating players or doing smart things. Polts macro is prob. the worst of any code s player (control however is in the top 5), as he is really bad a building svs. You get that impression because of Artosis' irrational hate on Polt (and mauraders, as I've recently learned - Polt is known as "Maurader King" in Korea like MKP is.. well, "Marine King"). When Polt performs better macro or has more SCVs Artosis will say nothing. He keeps an eagle's eye on Polt's SCV count and the moment it goes below his opponent's he brings it up and pounds on it. It's really a shame how much influence a caster exerts over viewership in this community. Polt's macro is up there. I won't say it's as good as that of MVP, but you don't win tournaments and perform consistently without competitive macro. Serisouly dude, if you cant see that polts scv macro is bad at every f..... game (he is usally decent till 30 or so, and then he fucks up), you are having some serious problems. And the thing is, your scv count should in most situations never go relatively down to the other terran given that there is no aggression. NEver, and i dont care if it goes up (then the opp mismacroes). And dont tell me that polt cuts scvs intentionally. When that is said, I agree with you that Artosis is doing a lot of irrational hype/hate on players, but Polt has bad scv macro, just like select has bad scv macro. When you mention the macro of MVP it imo becomes pretty clear you dont watch/understands the game that intense. His macro isn't spectectular. Its solid, but what makes him so good is his control/game understanding (and no idont care about his bw career. But he will miss scvs once a while as well. Well yeah, he does intentionally cut SCVs. It doesn't take a genius-level intellect to realize that Polt tries to force low-economy, high aggression games to take advantage of his strengths (micro and positioning). In terms of building an army with available resources he's among the best in the world. In terms of building an economy I'm not fit to judge, as Polt has never transitioned into being a "macro terran" on stage. Maybe like TheBest he plays wonderful macro games but doesn't have the confidence to showcase them against his peers in official matches. Select is fine at SCV production. He's not smooth at pre-establishing infrastructure to account for his expansions and SCV production, which is why he will often float money in the mid-game. Constant SCV production =/= good macro.
I hope your trolling me. Everything in this post is not true. YOu have to be a non active player your self, just watching sc2 and trying to figure the game out your self by obsing and theorycrafting.
And no select is terrible at building scvs. Watch his goddamn games. Not building enough infastructure is sometimes a prob as well yes.
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On September 08 2011 16:20 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Uhm, actually I do think Polt cuts SCVs intentionally... Keep scv count around 50, rely on mules, have a bigger army. Ive seen this a few times from him now I m pretty sure, tho id have to check some more games to know for certain.
I just think hes a pretty smart guy and probably has a reason for most things he does.
You dont have a bigger army when you start cutting scvs way before you get saturated. If polt was doing 2 base pushes cutting scvs makes sense. Polt most of the time dont do that. Yet he "cuts scv" so extremely early (as I said he will often begin at 30).
Generally it makes sense to get around 70 scvs asap, and when you reach 200 food/200food you can build a few ocs and sack scvs. This way you should have more army than your opponent if he cuts scvs at 50 (given that you both adds expansions at a decent rate).
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 08 2011 19:49 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 16:20 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Uhm, actually I do think Polt cuts SCVs intentionally... Keep scv count around 50, rely on mules, have a bigger army. Ive seen this a few times from him now I m pretty sure, tho id have to check some more games to know for certain.
I just think hes a pretty smart guy and probably has a reason for most things he does. You dont have a bigger army when you start cutting scvs way before you get saturated. If polt was doing 2 base pushes cutting scvs makes sense. Polt most of the time dont do that. Yet he "cuts scv" so extremely early (as I said he will often begin at 30). Generally it makes sense to get around 70 scvs asap, and when you reach 200 food/200food you can build a few ocs and sack scvs. This way you should have more army than your opponent if he cuts scvs at 50 (given that you both adds expansions at a decent rate).
Yeah you do have a bigger army. Cutting SCVs saves (in your example) 1000 minerals and allows for quicker units. SCVs are an investment which pay for themselves after a period of time, polt uses that time in between to get more units and timing attack.
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Too bad about MC, but he did play bad yesterday. He didn't deserve to be Code S with those games. His awful attack on Losira in G1 already showed what would happen.
I was glad Losira showed them all who is boss :D Hopefully he practices his anticheese skills more for next GSL Code S
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On September 08 2011 16:10 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 14:19 SniXSniPe wrote:On September 08 2011 12:35 Doko wrote:
To be fair, playing protoss =
PvP = nerve wracking adrenaline infused hell
PvT = Hope i don't die if I expo. 25-35 in game minutes later if you dint die to expoing comes down to emp vs feedback in which terran has the advantage due to always having scans to clear obs.
PvZ = Hope my stargate does enough damage or I loose. (depends on how easy taking a 3rd is)
Add all ins that may or may not work and thats protoss in a nutshell. Its pretty dumb. PvT is more like: I hope I don't die before the 15:00 minute mark. Terran's try to kill/significantly damage the Protoss before it gets really late game, otherwise it's very difficult for them to pull a win. Funny, all I see is Terran wrecking Protoss with mass Ghosts play late game nowadays. I do agree though that it is really hard for Terran is the lower levels.
Agreed, 200v200 is heavily Terran favored.
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Wow amazing games some of them but I'm really hating thing Moletrap/Doa combo, they are never hitting their jokes and hearing Moletrap say Kyrix isn't a good zerg when he himself thinks Sensorstowers see invisible units is just insulting to me as a observer.
To that note... man I really don't like how many terrans are in code S right now 
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On September 09 2011 05:22 Krehlmar wrote:Wow amazing games some of them but I'm really hating thing Moletrap/Doa combo, they are never hitting their jokes and hearing Moletrap say Kyrix isn't a good zerg when he himself thinks Sensorstowers see invisible units is just insulting to me as a observer. To that note... man I really don't like how many terrans are in code S right now
Can we do something about stupid comments like this? Obviously Moletrap didn't say that Kyrix is worse than himself. In relation to the rest of Code S, Kyrix is clearly subpar and has been that way for a long time. His strats are lackluster and his macro is poor.
Moletrap made that comment like 6 months ago, and even then I don't believe he was confident. He'd obviously come over recently from Broodwar and had a few intricacies still to grasp.
Moletrap is a very passable caster, and blindly hating him is a really stupid way to go about watching SC2 that you paid to see. Tasteless also misses buildings and messes up, more than Moletrap for the most part, where's the hate on him?
Watch the Code A qualifiers when the VODs get put up, Moletrap does some very good solo casting. He cast them in a much different manner than normal (quieter), and did an excellent job of play by play AND analysis. I personally wish he'd cast like that in the GSL itself, but oh well.
If you're going to hate someone, hate on Doa. He gets 1000x more things wrong than the other casters put together, and has worse jokes.
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I can't believe MC is in code A, and I'm pretty sad that the ZvZ with mutas didnt involve muta micro at all, just an A-move, could of been so much more intense.
Also this cast had a perfect example of the problem I have with Moletraps casting, he is doing fine and everything but ever single game he made a joke involving the song at the start that was so incredibly unfunny, not even his co-caster laughed. It makes no sense to me why he does that when it is something people complain about.
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On September 09 2011 08:36 fant0m wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:22 Krehlmar wrote:Wow amazing games some of them but I'm really hating thing Moletrap/Doa combo, they are never hitting their jokes and hearing Moletrap say Kyrix isn't a good zerg when he himself thinks Sensorstowers see invisible units is just insulting to me as a observer. To that note... man I really don't like how many terrans are in code S right now Can we do something about stupid comments like this? Obviously Moletrap didn't say that Kyrix is worse than himself. In relation to the rest of Code S, Kyrix is clearly subpar and has been that way for a long time. His strats are lackluster and his macro is poor. Moletrap made that comment like 6 months ago, and even then I don't believe he was confident. He'd obviously come over recently from Broodwar and had a few intricacies still to grasp. Moletrap is a very passable caster, and blindly hating him is a really stupid way to go about watching SC2 that you paid to see. Tasteless also misses buildings and messes up, more than Moletrap for the most part, where's the hate on him? Watch the Code A qualifiers when the VODs get put up, Moletrap does some very good solo casting. He cast them in a much different manner than normal (quieter), and did an excellent job of play by play AND analysis. I personally wish he'd cast like that in the GSL itself, but oh well. If you're going to hate someone, hate on Doa. He gets 1000x more things wrong than the other casters put together, and has worse jokes.
I gotta agree
Moletrap is a likable guy and a good caster. sure he makes mistakes but people shit on him like there is no tomorrow. i really hope he doesnt read all this shit on the forums
and saying kyrix is bad is a good analysis. even kyrix himself acknowledged that he isnt code s caliber.
at least right now
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