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Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
September 07 2011 10:35 GMT
#941
Dragonball trash talking atm xD
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ CJ Entus fighting! I am a Leta, Hydra, Mind and (ofcourse) Firebathero fan. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
September 07 2011 10:35 GMT
#942
MC does the most calculated all-ins. That amount of structures most people get on one base, but MC expanded then got them. Seeing the expo made the zerg way too lackadaisical, and zerg thought he could drone up forever like normally against a FFE. Instead MC built only few production buildings and hit much earlier than expected, and only a bit after a 3 gate stargate would hit off one base. AND MC was able to constantly produce off those since he had more economy than a normal one base. MC recently revealed a new terran build that does the same kind of thing, expo into 4 gate, which kills terrans easily the same way.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
September 07 2011 10:35 GMT
#943
Why is there so much breakage
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
September 07 2011 10:35 GMT
#944
haha Korea.... hyperbolic time chamber. So why am I so bad
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
September 07 2011 10:35 GMT
#945
On September 07 2011 19:33 nougdp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 19:29 skrzmark wrote:
On September 07 2011 19:28 nougdp wrote:
On September 07 2011 19:23 skrzmark wrote:
On September 07 2011 19:20 MrCon wrote:
6 gates and non stop VR production, pylon on the low ground and dozen zealots warped in the high ground.


is this a rebecca black reference at all?


Who is Rebeca Black?


Like a 13 year old girl who made a terrible song called "friday" but it is still somewhat catchy.


Interesting... NOT! What has that to do in a SC2 Thread?

GO Jjakji!


Lots, husky made a parody song on it... SO starcraft related.
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
_vladimir_
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia530 Posts
September 07 2011 10:36 GMT
#946
So basicly, if Kyrix and Check lose all of their games, it will come down to the last game MC vs Jjakji, and if MC win, we have 3 way tie, if he lose...he has to win MLG xD
MC:" 2nd game i all in, he drone he drone, me win."
AznRyoga
Profile Joined December 2010
29 Posts
September 07 2011 10:36 GMT
#947
Can people stop immediately call this an all in. If a protoss, doesn't matter how many gates he has sees that a zerg has no units, he's going to pressure to either do damage or force a zerg to make units at the very least. You guys forget, mc sees all of kyrix's base with the voids, don't assume that once he made the 6 gates he was committed.
adrift
Profile Joined August 2010
192 Posts
September 07 2011 10:36 GMT
#948
I have such a love/hate feeling about MC. I hate a lot of the builds he does and really don't like how he plays protoss in general. I always tune into his games expecting to see something new but have been seeing the same builds for months. One gate expo into mass gateway/storm with 0 upgrades against T and the same void ray opening that no longer does any damage against any decent zerg against Z.

..but hes still pretty much unarguably the best protoss. If he isn't in code S next season there isn't much of a hope for a protoss in the finals. Also even though I hate his strategies most of the time his micro/multitasking are amazing. Hes such a character that it makes the matches more exciting.

leungwk01
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1260 Posts
September 07 2011 10:36 GMT
#949
Korea as the hyperbolic time chamber.. I said that when koreans dominated Lolol
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 07 2011 10:36 GMT
#950
(Z)Check
vs
(T)Jjakji
on
Bel'shir Beach
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
NewteN
Profile Joined November 2010
United States179 Posts
September 07 2011 10:36 GMT
#951
On September 07 2011 19:33 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 19:28 bittman wrote:
On September 07 2011 19:23 Whiteman103 wrote:
On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF


ROFL 4 gate is a all in and you dont pull probes


Yeaaah, there's no such thing as a Protoss all-in where you pull probes...

But I still agree with the original sentiment. "Two base all in"? What happens when you trade 200/200 armies on 4 bases? Is that a 4 base all-in?

Basically, there's no definition of where the line is between all-in and...I don't know, battle? I understand how 4 gate is an 'all-in', but I consider this thing by MC a timing attack. 2 bases up and running, 6 gates + 2-3 voids: attack. Sure, stopped making probes, but if you stop making workers before 71 workers is it automatically all-in from there?

I don't know, maybe I'm just confused =/

There was no doubt that MCs build was all in. Had it failed, he has 34 probes (probably 15-20 less than what he could have) and stargate tech which is not meaningful tech at all. Meanwhile Kyrix has 70-80 drones + lair tech + upgrades. No recovery if it fails


Derp, yea cause Kyrix is going to retain all those drones, his lair at the main and the tech buildings after a significantly stronger army warping into his base and the ramp getting FF'd.
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
September 07 2011 10:36 GMT
#952
Check just went 9OL. Maybe some day Koreans will learn.
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 07 2011 10:37 GMT
#953
On September 07 2011 19:34 Oktyabr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:
On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:
On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF

he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost).
All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game


It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs???

No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in.


Because it all depends on the damage that the attack was going to do. Assuming Kyrix didn't even lose a single drone and did crush that entire force, MC has no chance of winning unless Kyrix made a string of catatstrophic mistakes.

A somewhat similar game like this would be Trickster vs Losira in last season's Code S on Metalopolis. Losira crushed that attack and Trickster NEVER stood a chance subsequently. It is an all-in, albeit a well-executed one.


That attack not doing damage is highly unlikely. Remember you can block off the ramp and zerg has no units. Nothing that would really dominate zealots and 3 fully charged voidrays without heavy losses.

The block was key, it lets the voidrays get max charge, and when that happens its easy to be cost effective with them.
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Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
September 07 2011 10:37 GMT
#954
haha check paranoid about proxy rax :D
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
September 07 2011 10:37 GMT
#955

On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:
On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF

he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost).
All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game


It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs???

No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in.

That was all-in as all-in gets.

Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank.

If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there.

Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas.

Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 07 2011 10:37 GMT
#956
On September 07 2011 19:36 Probe1 wrote:
(Z)Check
vs
(T)Jjakji
on
Bel'shir Beach

2:00
Check opening hatch first while jjakji opens a standard barrrax gas.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Kalm
Profile Joined May 2011
United States39 Posts
September 07 2011 10:38 GMT
#957
What kind of keyboard is jjakji using?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 07 2011 10:38 GMT
#958
On September 07 2011 19:34 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Losira? Angry?

I can't picture that at all. >.>

When he had to play iNcontrol @MLG without a keyboard he was also pretty pissed .
I had a good night of sleep.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
September 07 2011 10:38 GMT
#959
On September 07 2011 19:37 Montana[TK] wrote:
haha check paranoid about proxy rax :D


I would be after what Ganzi did to him =p
MenSol[ZerO]
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1134 Posts
September 07 2011 10:38 GMT
#960
this map might be hard for jjajki, but since its check i still give him the advantage.
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