EPTI don't think I should doubt him right now.
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
I don't think I should doubt him right now. | ||
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Montana[TK]
1624 Posts
oh the life of a degenerate | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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MegaFonzie
Australia1084 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:28 beute wrote: nothing decent about a build that relies on the zerg not having vision in his own base. of course it works if he is able to warp in units twice while the zerg is unaware and keeps on droning. And it doesnt even have anything to do with stargate, you could do the same with the warp prism, and even more gates. fact is, you rely on your enemy not scouting... it's like hiding a pylon in the enemy base and calling it a good strategy you can rely on every time :O I don't know about you, but it seemed pretty obvious that those two void rays were there to kill any vision the zerg has at that part of his base. You're making it sound like MC was flipping coins, when that simply isn't the case. It was a well thought out and executed build. | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
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CrumpetGuvnor
Australia302 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:28 bittman wrote: Yeaaah, there's no such thing as a Protoss all-in where you pull probes... But I still agree with the original sentiment. "Two base all in"? What happens when you trade 200/200 armies on 4 bases? Is that a 4 base all-in? Basically, there's no definition of where the line is between all-in and...I don't know, battle? I understand how 4 gate is an 'all-in', but I consider this thing by MC a timing attack. 2 bases up and running, 6 gates + 2-3 voids: attack. Sure, stopped making probes, but if you stop making workers before 71 workers is it automatically all-in from there? I don't know, maybe I'm just confused =/ There was no doubt that MCs build was all in. Had it failed, he has 34 probes (probably 15-20 less than what he could have) and stargate tech which is not meaningful tech at all. Meanwhile Kyrix has 70-80 drones + lair tech + upgrades. No recovery if it fails | ||
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Ryncol
United States980 Posts
Check beats Nada in the GSTL I really dislike how Moletrap is overly negative in regards to players =\ So what if Check is 13-25? Anything can happen in a bo1 | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:32 Hassybaby wrote: So lets just drop the all-in and call it an aggressive timing push Yeah, it's more common to call all of these 6gate/7gate+ tech attacks just "two base timings" as opposed to completely all in. Maybe they are, either way. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:31 StUfF wrote: There are so many things to scout for in this push. The Stargate, the multiple Void rays (no Phoenix), the lack of probes on the second base, the probe moving out, the forge upgrading, the pylons, the 6 gates, the units WARPING directly into your main etc. Kyrix just totally failed and had pretty much zero units at the point of the attack. Yeah it is a lot to orchestrate but fortunately right up until you start warping in you can bail on the attack. That was a very clever use of map control, which is what voidrays give. I think I might steal that. I noted he used two gas the entire time. | ||
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skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
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nougdp
Germany144 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:29 skrzmark wrote: Like a 13 year old girl who made a terrible song called "friday" but it is still somewhat catchy. Interesting... NOT! What has that to do in a SC2 Thread? GO Jjakji! | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
Sigh. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
I can't picture that at all. >.> | ||
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NewteN
United States179 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:29 Probe1 wrote: I'm pretty sick of that term being used to describe every single timing attack as well. Shit I'm sick of people using timing attack to mean anything as well. And don't get me started on the term metagame.. It's mind-boggling. 'Cheese' is even worse. Droolers gonna drool. If you don't wait for 3-3-3 and 200 supply you suck and are a cheeser/all-inner/overrated | ||
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Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:31 Probe1 wrote: I'd say Check is dead but I'd also say no way Check makes it to the up and downs. I don't think I should doubt him right now. Yeah, I've been betting against Check all season and most of the time he's proven me wrong. With the way Check's been playing recently, you really can't count him out automatically anymore. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote: It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. Great zergs can hold that and counter to win, it is all-in, (especially cutting probes that hard) that doesn't mean that you can't transition out of it though if you do enough damage. Stargate and 6 gates isn't much tech either, he was at a point in the game that he could be getting up colossus tech and taking a 3rd while eventually going HT. See how that is a smooth transition with multiple tech paths and the ability to upgrade. | ||
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Yuriegh
United States327 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:33 Ryncol wrote: "Check hasn't proven himself against any decent Terrans lately" Check beats Nada in the GSTL I really dislike how Moletrap is overly negative in regards to players =\ So what if Check is 13-25? Anything can happen in a bo1 Also Moletrap needs to learn that Check doesn't only play GSL. He really gives these stats too much importance. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote: It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. Because it all depends on the damage that the attack was going to do. Assuming Kyrix didn't even lose a single drone and did crush that entire force, MC has no chance of winning unless Kyrix made a string of catatstrophic mistakes. A somewhat similar game like this would be Trickster vs Losira in last season's Code S on Metalopolis. Losira crushed that attack and Trickster NEVER stood a chance subsequently. It is an all-in, albeit a well-executed one. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
I think the exact quote is "He drone, he drone, me allin, me win" Not 100% sure tho :p | ||
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