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Jakji is seriously bad.. Could have killed all drones but he decided to kill queens + spine lol
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On September 07 2011 19:43 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:42 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:40 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:39 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:37 Probe1 wrote:2:00Check opening hatch first while jjakji opens a standard barrrax gas. 3:50Factory on the way after barracks, hellions will be coming. But first! Bunker pressure from jjakji. It has no effect but certainly causes Check to respond. 5:002nd command center on the way for jjakji on the high ground. 2 hellions pop out and are clearing the map. Blue flame being researched. Check responding with spines only. 7:00Overlords being picked off in the middle of the map supply blocking check. The marines immediately pick up into a medivac and head for a drop into the main. 9:00Marines and BFH are tearing up the Zerg Main but Check counter attacks with lings and eats a lot of scvs. Intense two sided micro going on..
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8 marines and 4 hellions enter- 3 hellions leave alive. At the end of the day Check comes out well ahead after losing more scvs and marines than the drones he killed. Worker count is around 30 drones to 14 scvs.
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Jjakji's helion control 
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Wow that was really bad executed! Just go for the droens and it is gg. with more than 6 hellions, you can ignore a spine crawler...
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So are people going to say that we can't criticise Jjakji's execution of that elevator? lol...
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On September 07 2011 19:43 Alpina wrote:
Jakji is seriously bad.. Could have killed all drones vbut he decided to kill queens + spine lol
think it was a-move while he defended his main
dunno
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On September 07 2011 19:44 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:43 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:42 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:40 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:39 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:37 Probe1 wrote:2:00Check opening hatch first while jjakji opens a standard barrrax gas. 3:50Factory on the way after barracks, hellions will be coming. But first! Bunker pressure from jjakji. It has no effect but certainly causes Check to respond. 5:002nd command center on the way for jjakji on the high ground. 2 hellions pop out and are clearing the map. Blue flame being researched. Check responding with spines only. 7:00Overlords being picked off in the middle of the map supply blocking check. The marines immediately pick up into a medivac and head for a drop into the main. 9:00Marines and BFH are tearing up the Zerg Main but Check counter attacks with lings and eats a lot of scvs. Intense two sided micro going on.. 10:158 marines and 4 hellions enter- 3 hellions leave alive. At the end of the day Check comes out well ahead after losing more scvs and marines than the drones he killed. Worker count is around 30 drones to 14 scvs.
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Check capitalizes with a third and builds a macro hatch. Spire on the way and baneling speed.
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On September 07 2011 19:43 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:39 Medrea wrote:On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost). All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas. Protoss doesn't really bank resources and 2 on each patch is optimal as the third only mines half. 40 probes 10mins into the game is not optimal by any means. He was banking gas because he was building nothing but Zealots. Though at the end he made some sentry warp-ins and burned it all Regardless it was an all-in. 40 Probes just doesn't cut it considering in the next few minutes you have to rebuild an army AND Tech AND build another 20~ Probes. Chronoboost probes for the first few minutes your mineral spending increases as you are producing probes at a faster rate, it takes a minute or two before the Probes kick in and pay themselves off, unlike Mules which are almost instant gain
It was 37 probes, 12 zealots, and 3 voidrays to something like 55 drones, some queens, and like 4 zerglings. For Kyrix to beat that army he would have to have much fewer drones than that, in which case MC wouldn't be as far behind as he seemed due to Kyrix's extreme greed.
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On September 07 2011 19:43 Alpina wrote:
Jakji is seriously bad.. Could have killed all drones but he decided to kill queens + spine lol
Make one mistake, become seriously bad?
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On September 07 2011 19:43 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:39 Medrea wrote:On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost). All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas. Protoss doesn't really bank resources and 2 on each patch is optimal as the third only mines half. 40 probes 10mins into the game is not optimal by any means. He was banking gas because he was building nothing but Zealots. Though at the end he made some sentry warp-ins and burned it all Regardless it was an all-in. 40 Probes just doesn't cut it considering in the next few minutes you have to rebuild an army AND Tech AND build another 20~ Probes. Chronoboost probes for the first few minutes your mineral spending increases as you are producing probes at a faster rate, it takes a minute or two before the Probes kick in and pay themselves off, unlike Mules which are almost instant gain
Yeah but your also kind of implying that it would be better to try and compete with zerg in a macro sense. Much better to just go fucking kill him when he has no units. Ultra fast 3rd? Yeah might as well give up on a macro game as any race. Better to just go end the game.
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Jjakji was in panic mode because of the attack in his main, but yeah he could have dived into the drones, forget about the attack and micro is base.
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On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost). All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas.
By the time he has the VR in the main and the pylon goes unscouted. He played it perfectly to cut probes and go for a +1 zeal/VR attack. I can't imagine if an ovie saw the pylon or the VR saw Kyrix responding or a 2-base timing that he can't do enough damage to he wouldn't have done it.
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On September 07 2011 19:44 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:44 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:43 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:42 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:40 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:39 Probe1 wrote:On September 07 2011 19:37 Probe1 wrote:2:00Check opening hatch first while jjakji opens a standard barrrax gas. 3:50Factory on the way after barracks, hellions will be coming. But first! Bunker pressure from jjakji. It has no effect but certainly causes Check to respond. 5:002nd command center on the way for jjakji on the high ground. 2 hellions pop out and are clearing the map. Blue flame being researched. Check responding with spines only. 7:00Overlords being picked off in the middle of the map supply blocking check. The marines immediately pick up into a medivac and head for a drop into the main. 9:00Marines and BFH are tearing up the Zerg Main but Check counter attacks with lings and eats a lot of scvs. Intense two sided micro going on.. 10:158 marines and 4 hellions enter- 3 hellions leave alive. At the end of the day Check comes out well ahead after losing more scvs and marines than the drones he killed. Worker count is around 30 drones to 14 scvs. 11:40Check capitalizes with a third and builds a macro hatch. Spire on the way and baneling speed.
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jjakji pushes into Checks natural with 20 marines and 5 hellions. Check holds off but jjakji rebounds into Checks third and kills it. Still no siege mode for jjakji
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Kill your gold rocks jjakji !
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On September 07 2011 19:45 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:43 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:39 Medrea wrote:On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost). All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas. Protoss doesn't really bank resources and 2 on each patch is optimal as the third only mines half. 40 probes 10mins into the game is not optimal by any means. He was banking gas because he was building nothing but Zealots. Though at the end he made some sentry warp-ins and burned it all Regardless it was an all-in. 40 Probes just doesn't cut it considering in the next few minutes you have to rebuild an army AND Tech AND build another 20~ Probes. Chronoboost probes for the first few minutes your mineral spending increases as you are producing probes at a faster rate, it takes a minute or two before the Probes kick in and pay themselves off, unlike Mules which are almost instant gain Yeah but your also kind of implying that it would be better to try and compete with zerg in a macro sense. Much better to just go fucking kill him when he has no units. Ultra fast 3rd? Yeah might as well give up on a macro game as any race. Better to just go end the game.
Or tech and secure your 3rd base and get decent upgrades and a deathball. Na nevermind he should do an "aggressive timing attack" (all-in) to finish the game.
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So it looks like the spire finished but check was forced to make banes instead of the mutas he was saving for. Also jjakji kills the third. Good play from jjakji.
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On September 07 2011 19:45 Wherewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:43 Alpina wrote:
Jakji is seriously bad.. Could have killed all drones but he decided to kill queens + spine lol Make one mistake, become seriously bad?
One mistake? He was killing queens for like minute w/o any intentions to kill drones lol
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why would you run in banes like that when the terran is just sitting in his natural lol
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Ah, killing the 3rd and pulling back as well as leaving enough at home to repel the ling runby with zero losses.
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On September 07 2011 19:45 NewteN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost). All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas. By the time he has the VR in the main and the pylon goes unscouted. He played it perfectly to cut probes and go for a +1 zeal/VR attack. I can't imagine if an ovie saw the pylon or the VR saw Kyrix responding or a 2-base timing that he can't do enough damage to he wouldn't have done it.
Yeah it was pretty safe. I think when i see my zerg buddies go fast third Im gonna try doing that from now on. It also looks fairly simple to execute right?
Fast 6 gates. +1 attack, 3 void rays, 11 zealots and a sentry right? That sounds like a pretty cool kill move.
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