EPTUnofficial NASL Season 2 Thread - Page 9
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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NguN
Australia1322 Posts
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zYwi3c
Poland1811 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
By next season there should be 50% Koreans, and then, there is basically a second GSL, but with way more games, and they are all lag fests because it is KR vs KR but played on the NA server, meaning that the games are sort of meaningless and the league will simply be a money factory. | ||
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
On July 11 2011 19:57 zYwi3c wrote: Few more seasons, and we will have only Koreans here LOL. no! Idra, Select, Sheth, Kiwikaki might stay from NA... in the North American Starleague! Rest should be 70% korean, 30% Europe+Sen  | ||
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:09 Micket wrote: I really can't see Koreans dropping out out of their respective groups. The Europeans and the Americans will surely be whittled away and we would be left with pure Koreans. I mean, we started with 10 Koreans and how we have 17. Before, we had 10% Koreans in the league, and now we have a whopping 38%. That's a 26% increase from last season. By next season there should be 50% Koreans, and then, there is basically a second GSL, but with way more games, and they are all lag fests because it is KR vs KR but played on the NA server, meaning that the games are sort of meaningless and the league will simply be a money factory. watch startale_rainbow play on NA server (he streams that). i cannot make out any "lag fest", its just minor delay... + Koreans get more and more used to it playing on NA. | ||
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Dac
Canada538 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On July 11 2011 21:00 Dac wrote: So, I wonder if they are even entertaining the idea of changing the format for season 2 finals... Mainly adding double elimination. Or making seed 1 play someone from the league, instead of the winner of the open bracket. Keep in mind that the winner from the league (ret) was only in that position because people that were ahead of him before the last round of the league threw their games away. There is no such thing as a 'winner' in the league system that's followed by playoffs, there's only people that make it through. Ret didn't 'win' the open bracket, he placed first, but only did so because he had to win his last series to qualify. If he had been in a safer position before the last round, he probably would have thrown his last game too. The current league system actually does reward people that do well in the league, because they're able (to some extent) to avoid certain seeds in the finals bracket. The only downside of the current league system is that it allows the players in later divisions (division 4 and 5) to seeds themselves into better spots then the players in the earlier divisions. Edit: Fixed league where it said open bracket before. | ||
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Dac
Canada538 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:16 Derez wrote: Keep in mind that the winner from the open bracket (ret) was only in that position because people that were ahead of him before the last round of the league threw their games away. There is no such thing as a 'winner' in the league system that's followed by playoffs, there's only people that make it through. Ret didn't 'win' the open bracket, he placed first, but only did so because he had to win his last series to qualify. If he had been in a safer position before the last round, he probably would have thrown his last game too. The current league system actually does reward people that do well in the league, because they're able (to some extent) to avoid certain seeds in the finals bracket. The only downside of the current league system is that it allows the players in later divisions (division 4 and 5) to seeds themselves into better spots then the players in the earlier divisions. You are confusing me. Open bracket/tournament was won by Puma (Here). Which put him against the top seeded player from the "league," in this case Ret. Sure I agree that Ret could've thrown some games if he had known that he would have to face Puma (much tougher than a lot of the other players in the "Main bracket.") but that is not the point. To avoid players wanting to do that, you should reward the player with the highest number of wins by putting him against the worse player in the league NOT some unknown force to be reckon with. Either way, the worse part is the lack of double elimination or myabe best of 5 in round of 16/8. Because I do not think it is fairs for players that have put so much into the league and then travelled for this tournament to have so little oportunity. Ret played two matches that lasted less than 10 mins, (maps were too small to allow for good macro games plus puma is a beast). I think a value fair chance more than being able to watch every match or w/e the reasons NASL has for such a simplified main tournament. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Skillver
Austria1309 Posts
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Dac
Canada538 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:50 Skillver wrote: Whats the reason for no nani???? He is going to GSL + some personal conflicts with NASL (I imagine he wasn't happy with the format, he had 10+ BO3 matches and doing well didn't mean a thing because he lost the tie breakers...) | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:43 Dac wrote: You are confusing me. Open bracket/tournament was won by Puma (Here). Which put him against the top seeded player from the "league," in this case Ret. Sure I agree that Ret could've thrown some games if he had known that he would have to face Puma (much tougher than a lot of the other players in the "Main bracket.") but that is not the point. To avoid players wanting to do that, you should reward the player with the highest number of wins by putting him against the worse player in the league NOT some unknown force to be reckon with. Either way, the worse part is the lack of double elimination or myabe best of 5 in round of 16/8. Because I do not think it is fairs for players that have put so much into the league and then travelled for this tournament to have so little oportunity. Ret played two matches that lasted less than 10 mins, (maps were too small to allow for good macro games plus puma is a beast). I think a value fair chance more than being able to watch every match or w/e the reasons NASL has for such a simplified main tournament. Ah sorry, you're right. Where it says open bracket its ment to say league. Anyhow, my point was: someone is going to have to face the winner from the open bracket, and it's always going to be someone that played the entire league. Ret could not throw any of his games, he needed to win even in the last week to be guaranteed a spot, while others (select, july) threw their games away in order to avoid the first seed. Not to mention that by splitting people up into divisions (some stronger, some weaker), any comparison between divisions is fairly meaningless in the first place. The best solution would probably be a random draw after all participants for the finals are confirmed. | ||
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Maskedsatyr
Singapore1245 Posts
On July 11 2011 11:44 Ciraxis wrote: Yes. Exactly. It's really ridiculous. I do agree players from other continents should participate, but the imbalance here is just too wide. There's IPL if you want to watch your favourite foreigners... I for one am looking forward to seeing only the best players play. | ||
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Maskedsatyr
Singapore1245 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:09 Micket wrote: I really can't see Koreans dropping out out of their respective groups. The Europeans and the Americans will surely be whittled away and we would be left with pure Koreans. I mean, we started with 10 Koreans and how we have 17. Before, we had 10% Koreans in the league, and now we have a whopping 38%. That's a 26% increase from last season. By next season there should be 50% Koreans, and then, there is basically a second GSL, but with way more games, and they are all lag fests because it is KR vs KR but played on the NA server, meaning that the games are sort of meaningless and the league will simply be a money factory. You fail at maths 10 Koreans out of 50 makes 20%. | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:51 DiaBoLuS wrote: watch startale_rainbow play on NA server (he streams that). i cannot make out any "lag fest", its just minor delay... + Koreans get more and more used to it playing on NA. They are definitely getting used to playing with the lag, if you compare the TSL3 to the current TL Opens and NASL open tournaments. | ||
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H.k[D]
United States260 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:14 Maskedsatyr wrote: You fail at maths 10 Koreans out of 50 makes 20%. too bad there will only be 45 players if i remember correctly so... 17/45 is definitely 38% | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On July 11 2011 20:09 Micket wrote: I really can't see Koreans dropping out out of their respective groups. The Europeans and the Americans will surely be whittled away and we would be left with pure Koreans. I mean, we started with 10 Koreans and how we have 17. Before, we had 10% Koreans in the league, and now we have a whopping 38%. That's a 26% increase from last season. By next season there should be 50% Koreans, and then, there is basically a second GSL, but with way more games, and they are all lag fests because it is KR vs KR but played on the NA server, meaning that the games are sort of meaningless and the league will simply be a money factory. I don't think that's correct. If I remember correctly I remember Khaldor saying something about how he wish he could obs some of the Korean vs Korean in the NASL qualifiers but couldn't because they were doing it on the Korean server. I believe when EU vs EU matchups happen they allow it on the EU server too, but yes if an American is playing they get homefield advantage My personal feelings about NASL becoming GSL #2 is actually kind of exciting, survival of the fittest that should be a wakeup call to NA and EU. Plus now I get to see matches like Puma vs MC live. The Korean Weekly and NASL 2 sound infinitely more exciting then watchin the IPL lol..... It's like choosing between watching amateur league soccer and professional soccer. | ||
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ashaman771
Canada114 Posts
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fer
Canada375 Posts
On July 11 2011 11:31 JiYan wrote: im genuinely curious if the NASL can remain calling itself the NASL if the players are primarily from korea. just seems odd The league is based in North America, hence the name. I understand not your curiosity my young padawan. | ||
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